Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

A day late (or two years in this case) and a dollar short as they say, but it’s action nonetheless.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csis-annual-report-1.6831920

DarthMaeglin

And the sentence has been handed down.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/st-thomas-ont-man-sentenced-to-house-arrest-probation-for-throwing-rocks-at-trudeau-1.6835722

DarthMaeglin

Had a good chuckle when the local news cut to federal Question Period and Pierre Poilievre was criticizing Trudeau for jetting off to the G7. Pretty sure that’s one of the few trips most of us don’t have a problem with.

Unfortunately they shortly after cut to Trudeau getting a live briefing from the military deployed to fight the wildfires, showing (again) a case of showing that what’s good for the goose isn’t for the gander, with Trudeau having criticized Harper for making a similar trip. If memory serves correctly this isn’t Trudeau’s first visit to the wildfires as well. Maybe this one’s ok because it’s just a stopover on his way to Japan, lol?

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Had a good chuckle when the local news cut to federal Question Period and Pierre Poilievre was criticizing Trudeau for jetting off to the G7. Pretty sure that’s one of the few trips most of us don’t have a problem with.

Unfortunately they shortly after cut to Trudeau getting a live briefing from the military deployed to fight the wildfires, showing (again) a case of showing that what’s good for the goose isn’t for the gander, with Trudeau having criticized Harper for making a similar trip. If memory serves correctly this isn’t Trudeau’s first visit to the wildfires as well. Maybe this one’s ok because it’s just a stopover on his way to Japan, lol?

All politicians rely on citizens having short memories.  Just about everything that Pierre P accuses JT of... he will likely inevitably do himself, or a previous conservative PM has done before. It's a vicious cycle. 

That said.. most of what Pierre says about JT is largely true.  That said... he is bringing conservative politics back into the strategy that I believe ultimately cost them their worst loss in election history... attacking.  

You can blame JT for a lot of things... he's awful.  But... and I can only speak for myself here but I think history has shown that quite a few Canucks agree with me here.  Don't tell me why your opponent is awful... tell me how you're different and what you're going to do for the public that is largely better than what our current government is doing. 

Housing is an example.  Conservatives (Polievre and Ford) are beating us over the head with 'housing crisis.'  Polievre talks about the 'gatekeepers' stopping developments.  (I recall a recent politician who was also super against regulation, ahem, Trump) Then you have Ford wanting to remove conservation spaces to re-zone for housing.   Thing is... while they are opening the door for more housing, they are also VERY much opening the door and keeping super quiet about how much money developers, contractors, and the real estate sector is going to make here. Allowing developers to build on more land and then charge whatever the going rate is for housing is not a solution to this 'crisis' we're facing.  

Parksy

I wanted to put this to the group:

Polievre has stated that Trudeau's woke economic policies are causing more homelessness in Canada. 

Does anyone here know what those policies are?
Also, what makes them woke? 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Had a good chuckle when the local news cut to federal Question Period and Pierre Poilievre was criticizing Trudeau for jetting off to the G7. Pretty sure that’s one of the few trips most of us don’t have a problem with.

Unfortunately they shortly after cut to Trudeau getting a live briefing from the military deployed to fight the wildfires, showing (again) a case of showing that what’s good for the goose isn’t for the gander, with Trudeau having criticized Harper for making a similar trip. If memory serves correctly this isn’t Trudeau’s first visit to the wildfires as well. Maybe this one’s ok because it’s just a stopover on his way to Japan, lol?

All politicians rely on citizens having short memories.  Just about everything that Pierre P accuses JT of... he will likely inevitably do himself, or a previous conservative PM has done before. It's a vicious cycle. 

That said.. most of what Pierre says about JT is largely true.  That said... he is bringing conservative politics back into the strategy that I believe ultimately cost them their worst loss in election history... attacking.  

You can blame JT for a lot of things... he's awful.  But... and I can only speak for myself here but I think history has shown that quite a few Canucks agree with me here.  Don't tell me why your opponent is awful... tell me how you're different and what you're going to do for the public that is largely better than what our current government is doing. 

Housing is an example.  Conservatives (Polievre and Ford) are beating us over the head with 'housing crisis.'  Polievre talks about the 'gatekeepers' stopping developments.  (I recall a recent politician who was also super against regulation, ahem, Trump) Then you have Ford wanting to remove conservation spaces to re-zone for housing.   Thing is... while they are opening the door for more housing, they are also VERY much opening the door and keeping super quiet about how much money developers, contractors, and the real estate sector is going to make here. Allowing developers to build on more land and then charge whatever the going rate is for housing is not a solution to this 'crisis' we're facing.  

I agree with a lot of what you said there, though I don’t think the cycle will break until we demand better as the electorate. Unfortunately that may mean a series of one-term governments as the liars/hypocrites get shown the door after a single term.

As for attacking the incumbent in an election I do believe that criticism should be levelled when warranted but it is more important to present a solid platform of their own. Right now, with no election imminent I don’t see a need for the opposition parties to have full platforms available, since they aren’t the ones in power and their current role is to hold the sitting government to account.

Parksy said:

I wanted to put this to the group:

Polievre has stated that Trudeau's woke economic policies are causing more homelessness in Canada. 

Does anyone here know what those policies are?
Also, what makes them woke? 

This one’s a bit of a head scratcher for me, I suspect he may be confusing provincial court rulings with the federal government, because I believe it’s been the courts that have ruled in favour of rights for the homeless, as a start.

Parksy

Sadly, I don't see much change on the horizon here.  Trudeau alone has brought on a lot of criticism... but attacking him seems like low hanging fruit.  

I would personally want to know in detail what his opponent would do different. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

Sadly, I don't see much change on the horizon here.  Trudeau alone has brought on a lot of criticism... but attacking him seems like low hanging fruit.  

I would personally want to know in detail what his opponent would do different. 

Agreed about changes not being imminent, I’m convinced it’s part of why politicians of all stripes are working so hard to keep us divided.

Another option for accountability would be enacting recall legislation but I’ve yet to see any politician bring in measures to hold themselves to account.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

Sadly, I don't see much change on the horizon here.  Trudeau alone has brought on a lot of criticism... but attacking him seems like low hanging fruit.  

I would personally want to know in detail what his opponent would do different. 

Agreed about changes not being imminent, I’m convinced it’s part of why politicians of all stripes are working so hard to keep us divided.

Another option for accountability would be enacting recall legislation but I’ve yet to see any politician bring in measures to hold themselves to account.

That, good sir... is bang on. 

American politics is a prime example.  All the things Trump did with regard to circumventing accountability (executive privileges, etc)  To the best of my knowledge, not one democrat has attempted to cut back on Biden's executive powers.  One would think that if they hated what Trump did so much, their first order of business would be to see that another President wouldn't be able to exploit what he did.  Alas... here we are. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

Sadly, I don't see much change on the horizon here.  Trudeau alone has brought on a lot of criticism... but attacking him seems like low hanging fruit.  

I would personally want to know in detail what his opponent would do different. 

Agreed about changes not being imminent, I’m convinced it’s part of why politicians of all stripes are working so hard to keep us divided.

Another option for accountability would be enacting recall legislation but I’ve yet to see any politician bring in measures to hold themselves to account.

That, good sir... is bang on. 

American politics is a prime example.  All the things Trump did with regard to circumventing accountability (executive privileges, etc)  To the best of my knowledge, not one democrat has attempted to cut back on Biden's executive powers.  One would think that if they hated what Trump did so much, their first order of business would be to see that another President wouldn't be able to exploit what he did.  Alas... here we are. 

On a totally different tack, I just recognized what your avatar is and I love it! I’ve been saying for a while now that the world has gotten so absurd that we must actually be living on Planet Monty Python, lol.

Parksy

My favourite part is:  "God idea my Lord!"    "Course it's a good idea!" 

DarthMaeglin

Timing is everything in the end, lol. I just saw an ad paid for by the CPC attacking Trudeau for being out of the country again. If this ad had aired during one of his several Carribean getaways I’d fully stand behind it. However, airing the ad while Trudeau’s actually at the G7 summit makes the ad silly to me (discussions about how worthwhile the G7 actually is being a separate discussion obviously).

There’s enough room for discussion of Trudeau’s travel habits and expenses I believe, but right now (attending an international summit) is one time I throw my support behind (whoever’s) the PM on the basis that they’re representing the entire country (as long as the current PM can stay away from the piano bar, lol).

Edit: I supported the trip to India until the costumes became an issue, so supporting the PM on the international stage isn’t a carte blanche affair.

DarthMaeglin

The title for this column is a bit misleading, it is an interesting piece of analysis contrasting perceptions of the two main leaders.

https://apple.news/AfXeRFpDSSESROcBOsLtdGg

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Timing is everything in the end, lol. I just saw an ad paid for by the CPC attacking Trudeau for being out of the country again. If this ad had aired during one of his several Carribean getaways I’d fully stand behind it. However, airing the ad while Trudeau’s actually at the G7 summit makes the ad silly to me (discussions about how worthwhile the G7 actually is being a separate discussion obviously).

There’s enough room for discussion of Trudeau’s travel habits and expenses I believe, but right now (attending an international summit) is one time I throw my support behind (whoever’s) the PM on the basis that they’re representing the entire country (as long as the current PM can stay away from the piano bar, lol).

Edit: I supported the trip to India until the costumes became an issue, so supporting the PM on the international stage isn’t a carte blanche affair.

Conservative strategy boggles my mind.  You're bang on.. even in the house of commons they are critical of his travel when he is on diplomatic trips.  Freeland had to explain to Poliviere that yes, we exist as a country amongst many other allies.  It was pretty amazing. 

To me, it's like releasing an ad against his jay-walking. Forget SNC-Lavalin... no, no...  jaywalking. 

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

The title for this column is a bit misleading, it is an interesting piece of analysis contrasting perceptions of the two main leaders.

https://apple.news/AfXeRFpDSSESROcBOsLtdGg

I agree with the writer with regards to how people vote.  'Vibes' 

I don't agree with her assertion that Pierre is 'vibing' better than Trudeau. In general... EVERYTHING aside.. just looking at the way the two people perform...  Trudeau is a nice, stately man.  Pierre is an annoying D-Bag. 

Trudeau should be low hanging fruit to any political contender.  Strangely though, Pierre still seems to 'vibe' with populism. To me, that won't 'vibe' well with most Canadians. 

The sooner Pierre loses the words "regime" and "woke" from his campaign vernacular, the sooner I would consider voting for him... but that's still far fetched considering his track record and campaign strategy. 

The day he stood next to a man who compared COVID to the Holocaust... and straight faced agreed with him....  that left a sour taste in my mouth... as much as I don't like Trudeau. 

Whenever I talk to Trudeau haters I always say that I think he would win another election.  Baffled, people then lose their minds to me. lol 

Those same people can never tell me anything from the last election.  But the stats are simple.  To de-throne Trudeau, you need to convince approx. 2 million Canadians to stop thinking left, and start thinking right... or least realize that the Trudeau stench is too strong to deal with anymore. Pierre is not doing a good enough job of that... which should be pretty easy. 

Parksy

Another thing I don't understand about the Conservatives...  they seem to be spinning their wheels a bit.  Listening to Pierre, you would think that an election was right around the corner.   To the best of my knowledge... it's not.  2025 I think.  Trudeau can basically rope-a-dope for a couple years before he needs to put much effort into campaigning. 

Parksy

Pierre Polievre is a chicken shit. 

For a party and a leader who pride themselves on accountability... Pierre did something and continues to do things in the House of Commons that are to me at least completely disrespectful and rude. 

To be clear, I don't like Trudeau and would love a better PM.  That said... Pierre continues to take immature pot shots at the PM in the House. Non stop chirps about the "high school drama teacher," which in itself is disrespectful and completely unnecessary. Last week however he sunk to a new low by insinuating that the PM was dismissed from his job as a teacher because of sexual misconduct with a minor.. a completely de-bunked story that is amplified by the far right of our country.  

Today, he gets asked about that comment not once but twice and cowards away from answering like a sniveling little weasel. And in the same press conference, he issues ultimatums to our government and vows to block any progress unless these conditions are not met. 

In a country that absolutely needs it's governments to work together... we have this doosh mocking our leader personally and then issuing ultimatums to our democratically elected government. 

HughFreakingDillon

I disagree with what Polliviere said, but he also was responding to the first shot fired by JT. 

Parksy

I don't like the 'sound of his own voice' thing either... but the high school drama teacher thing has been slung at JT over the past two weeks during house of commons.  

It would have made more sense for Trudeau to address it far better than he did.. but I don't consider it the first shot fired.  Matter of fact in the grand scheme of things... since campaigning for leadership, Pierre has made it his life to attack Trudeau.  Going after his policies is one thing.. but the mocking and misleading is dumb.  Personal opinion, it was these tactics that lost Harper his government. The Conservatives may have elected their own worst enemy by giving Pierre the leadership. He's like a political robot when it comes to slinging attacks and 'zing' words. 

I don't think most Canadians want this horse manure politics on either side. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

Pierre Polievre is a chicken shit. 

For a party and a leader who pride themselves on accountability... Pierre did something and continues to do things in the House of Commons that are to me at least completely disrespectful and rude. 

To be clear, I don't like Trudeau and would love a better PM.  That said... Pierre continues to take immature pot shots at the PM in the House. Non stop chirps about the "high school drama teacher," which in itself is disrespectful and completely unnecessary. Last week however he sunk to a new low by insinuating that the PM was dismissed from his job as a teacher because of sexual misconduct with a minor.. a completely de-bunked story that is amplified by the far right of our country.  

Today, he gets asked about that comment not once but twice and cowards away from answering like a sniveling little weasel. And in the same press conference, he issues ultimatums to our government and vows to block any progress unless these conditions are not met. 

In a country that absolutely needs it's governments to work together... we have this doosh mocking our leader personally and then issuing ultimatums to our democratically elected government. 

Unfortunately as far as I know the story isn’t actually debunked because the NDA Trudeau’s lawyers negotiated is still in place. Too bad no one’s fought to have the gag order lifted like there was with Trump’s arrangement with Stormy.

If there’s nothing untoward in his dismissal then Trudeau himself could address it but as far as I can tell he continues to hide behind the NDA.

It is entirely possible that his dismissal was due to his blackface appearance, but the question also needs to be asked by his supporters how they will feel if it turns out the worst is true and we have a PM who abused a student under his authority? I honestly think that’s a fair question that those who have voted for his party need to consider.

Only one person can really clear up this issue but his record on openness and transparency suggest that we’ll never know the truth.