Canadian Politics Redux

Nami

bill c11 thoughts?

Parksy

Nami said:

bill c11 thoughts?

Basically CanCon for Streaming....  I don't mind it, but I would want to know more about how it will all work.  The biggest difference I see between traditional media and online streaming is that generally speaking back in the days of cable TV and radio...  the user would tune into a particular station and what that station was putting out was regulated. They were able to say to the station "Hey, make sure you're meeting CanCon quotas." 

With streaming, it's all kind of there and the user picks from it.  So in other words, we go to the media, the media doesn't come to us. 

How they plan on regulating this in terms of CanCon is a bit of a mystery to me. If somehow it eliminates some US media to make room for more Canadian media... I will probably be a bit disappointed.... if it's just a way to have more available Canadian content... then I'm all for. 

Zod

The sad part is I don't find most Cancon stuff worth watching.    The stuff the OTA Canadian networks produce isn't really worth watching either.

I dunno.  I feel like Netflix makes more Canadian produced content that I watch, than Global or CTV etc...  If the goal is to promote more Cancon, should stuff on CTV/Global/City that doesn't get many eyeballs count?

I guess this it all suppose to help news outlets earn revenues too, but news papers are dying... local news broadcasts are cut pretty thin.  The only local one I watch is an independent (Chek 6) and I can watch their news broadcasts for free via a streaming app they made.  CTV/Global are locked behind a paywall.

I guess in short... I feel like we should support one thing. maybe the CBC?  But I feel like we should stop propping up the private Canadian networks/media empires.

Parksy

Parksy said:

If we didn't take any security measures for Trudeau during this, I would have been shocked.

Regarding all of our politicians... they all blow.  Trudeau included. 

While I agree with a lot, but not all criticism of JT, it still doesn't change a couple undeniable facts:

He won three elections.  Only one was a blow out, true. But he still maintained his status for count em three elections. And that's AFTER three huge scandals that should have sunk most politicians. 
While very, very greasy, he is a masterful politician. 
He handled a 4 year Trump presidency brilliantly. 

Now.... for those who don't like him... and for those who downright hate the man...  I have a wild and crazy suggestion:  Try to win an election. 

5.8M voted CON.  5.5M voted LIB. 3M voted NDP. 800K voted PPC.  1.3 voted BQ. 400Kish voted green. 

Stop looking at the election and the Canadian population as one political mindset... but on the political spectrum.  My lack of knowledge of the BQ party aside....  you have 6.6M right leaning. 8.9M left leaning. 

That's a majority folks... and we can have this debate all day long, but to me... that quite frankly shows that in general, Canada as a nation is a left leaning people. This was discovered only 5 - 6 months ago. 

So if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... the conservatives are insane. And the more right they start leaning... you're only going to get the same results. 

They have three years to try to do something that they seem completely incapable of doing.. .and that's convincing a guy like me to vote Conservative.  Traditional white conservative folks who are aging are going to to die off within three years. It's a fraction, but I believe it will matter.  Immigrants coming here who will be essentially replacing those older white folks who will have died will look at the Liberal and NDP parties and see their voting path forward. Not only from a policy standpoint, but on the fact that the parties are physically representing them. Diverse. Trudeau is very aware of this. He sees the shifting tides of the population. He sees progressive thinking. And he's capitalizing on it. To dumb this down a bit... for those who don't like 'wokeness' ... get used to being the losing party whining on the other side for a long time. 

The Cons could win my vote... quite easily to be honest if they start doing a handful of things.. .and stop doing a handful of things. Namely... stop blaming Trudeau for literally every problem in Canada. Stop acting like clowns by yelling and ringing bells in the House of Commons when people are talking. Stop trying to make me afraid of problems that don't exist. Stop playing the same game as Trudeau. If you think he's an ass because of how he type casted the freedom convoy, then don't do the same thing as he does. And don't EVER refer to progressive policies and thinking as 'Radical Left.' In general, start behaving better. If Trudeau is utterly classless... then start being the epitome of class and civility. How?  START calling out the 'F*ck Trudeau' idiots and the folks who fly the Canadian flag upside down as some sort of protest. Start distancing yourself from Trump, American Republican behaviour, Freedom Convoy clowns. Start explaining in enough detail not why or how Trudeau failed as a PM, but what you would have done differently.   They need to stop pandering to the PPC crowd, and start seeing Canada for what it is and not what a bunch of idiots think it ought to be. 

I follow Candice Bergen just like I followed O'Toole...  and the things these folks do and say and post about... and more importantly the comments from right leaning people blow my mind away. Utter stupidity, utter ignorance. 

If Trudeau supports offshore oil in Newfoundland and say a pipeline in the West (which he already did) .... consider it check-mate. (again) The far left environmental folks in green and NDP will scream foul play... but never enough to convince them to vote right. Jagmeet will be pissed off, but not enough to pull support because Trudeau will have given him dental care and pharma care which will be the pillars of Jagmeet trying to dethrone Trudeau in 2025.  Meanwhile.. he will have maintained his small amounts of support in the west, quieted his economic critics on the right, and gained support in the east. Small victories and status-quo. Then he keeps sprinkling his 'niceness dust' on progressive and social issues while he waits for the right to do anything that looks like the opposite and exploits it.  THAT's why he and his party focused so much on weapons, swastikas, and confederate flags during the freedom convoy.  We'll see how it plays out... but in Canadian politics.. he's genius.  Stop hating on him like a bunch of sore losers; beat him at his game. As Dalton from Road House would suggest... 'be nice.'  (sorry for the amount of words.) 

Offshore oil approved federally and signed off by ultra environmentalist (and appointed Federal Environment Minister) Steve Guilbeault.  

Love Trudeau or hate him...  he is politically in a league of his own when it comes to Canada politics. 

This blows up in my face if Jagmeet now pulls his support... but in my opinion there is ZERO chance they both didn't already know this was coming and was part of the agreement.  Green party will scream foul. Environmentalists in the NDP will scream foul.   But it quiets the 'Trudeau is Anti-gas and oil' crowd. And it gains Liberal support in the east. 

Zod

Parksy said:

If we didn't take any security measures for Trudeau during this, I would have been shocked.

Regarding all of our politicians... they all blow.  Trudeau included. 

While I agree with a lot, but not all criticism of JT, it still doesn't change a couple undeniable facts:

He won three elections.  Only one was a blow out, true. But he still maintained his status for count em three elections. And that's AFTER three huge scandals that should have sunk most politicians. 
While very, very greasy, he is a masterful politician. 
He handled a 4 year Trump presidency brilliantly. 

Now.... for those who don't like him... and for those who downright hate the man...  I have a wild and crazy suggestion:  Try to win an election. 

5.8M voted CON.  5.5M voted LIB. 3M voted NDP. 800K voted PPC.  1.3 voted BQ. 400Kish voted green. 

Stop looking at the election and the Canadian population as one political mindset... but on the political spectrum.  My lack of knowledge of the BQ party aside....  you have 6.6M right leaning. 8.9M left leaning. 

That's a majority folks... and we can have this debate all day long, but to me... that quite frankly shows that in general, Canada as a nation is a left leaning people. This was discovered only 5 - 6 months ago. 

So if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... the conservatives are insane. And the more right they start leaning... you're only going to get the same results. 

They have three years to try to do something that they seem completely incapable of doing.. .and that's convincing a guy like me to vote Conservative.  Traditional white conservative folks who are aging are going to to die off within three years. It's a fraction, but I believe it will matter.  Immigrants coming here who will be essentially replacing those older white folks who will have died will look at the Liberal and NDP parties and see their voting path forward. Not only from a policy standpoint, but on the fact that the parties are physically representing them. Diverse. Trudeau is very aware of this. He sees the shifting tides of the population. He sees progressive thinking. And he's capitalizing on it. To dumb this down a bit... for those who don't like 'wokeness' ... get used to being the losing party whining on the other side for a long time. 

The Cons could win my vote... quite easily to be honest if they start doing a handful of things.. .and stop doing a handful of things. Namely... stop blaming Trudeau for literally every problem in Canada. Stop acting like clowns by yelling and ringing bells in the House of Commons when people are talking. Stop trying to make me afraid of problems that don't exist. Stop playing the same game as Trudeau. If you think he's an ass because of how he type casted the freedom convoy, then don't do the same thing as he does. And don't EVER refer to progressive policies and thinking as 'Radical Left.' In general, start behaving better. If Trudeau is utterly classless... then start being the epitome of class and civility. How?  START calling out the 'F*ck Trudeau' idiots and the folks who fly the Canadian flag upside down as some sort of protest. Start distancing yourself from Trump, American Republican behaviour, Freedom Convoy clowns. Start explaining in enough detail not why or how Trudeau failed as a PM, but what you would have done differently.   They need to stop pandering to the PPC crowd, and start seeing Canada for what it is and not what a bunch of idiots think it ought to be. 

I follow Candice Bergen just like I followed O'Toole...  and the things these folks do and say and post about... and more importantly the comments from right leaning people blow my mind away. Utter stupidity, utter ignorance. 

If Trudeau supports offshore oil in Newfoundland and say a pipeline in the West (which he already did) .... consider it check-mate. (again) The far left environmental folks in green and NDP will scream foul play... but never enough to convince them to vote right. Jagmeet will be pissed off, but not enough to pull support because Trudeau will have given him dental care and pharma care which will be the pillars of Jagmeet trying to dethrone Trudeau in 2025.  Meanwhile.. he will have maintained his small amounts of support in the west, quieted his economic critics on the right, and gained support in the east. Small victories and status-quo. Then he keeps sprinkling his 'niceness dust' on progressive and social issues while he waits for the right to do anything that looks like the opposite and exploits it.  THAT's why he and his party focused so much on weapons, swastikas, and confederate flags during the freedom convoy.  We'll see how it plays out... but in Canadian politics.. he's genius.  Stop hating on him like a bunch of sore losers; beat him at his game. As Dalton from Road House would suggest... 'be nice.'  (sorry for the amount of words.) 

Yah I dont get the conservative party either.   The US feels like 40% right , 40% left, and 20% centre.

I feel like Canada is 30% right, 40% centre, 30% left, but when confronted with a choice between right and left, Canadian voters turn left. I personally wish we had something more in the centre (like the 90's version of the Liberal party).

I don't get why the Cons try to go even further right, you ignore all the people in the centre, and they end up drifting left instead.

At least here in Canada many of us realize all of our leaders suck.   We seem to have a much smaller contingent than the US that has a die hard hard faith in a single person or party.  Were just like.. well this is the least shitty thing for the next few years.

Parksy

Zod said:

Parksy said:

If we didn't take any security measures for Trudeau during this, I would have been shocked.

Regarding all of our politicians... they all blow.  Trudeau included. 

While I agree with a lot, but not all criticism of JT, it still doesn't change a couple undeniable facts:

He won three elections.  Only one was a blow out, true. But he still maintained his status for count em three elections. And that's AFTER three huge scandals that should have sunk most politicians. 
While very, very greasy, he is a masterful politician. 
He handled a 4 year Trump presidency brilliantly. 

Now.... for those who don't like him... and for those who downright hate the man...  I have a wild and crazy suggestion:  Try to win an election. 

5.8M voted CON.  5.5M voted LIB. 3M voted NDP. 800K voted PPC.  1.3 voted BQ. 400Kish voted green. 

Stop looking at the election and the Canadian population as one political mindset... but on the political spectrum.  My lack of knowledge of the BQ party aside....  you have 6.6M right leaning. 8.9M left leaning. 

That's a majority folks... and we can have this debate all day long, but to me... that quite frankly shows that in general, Canada as a nation is a left leaning people. This was discovered only 5 - 6 months ago. 

So if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... the conservatives are insane. And the more right they start leaning... you're only going to get the same results. 

They have three years to try to do something that they seem completely incapable of doing.. .and that's convincing a guy like me to vote Conservative.  Traditional white conservative folks who are aging are going to to die off within three years. It's a fraction, but I believe it will matter.  Immigrants coming here who will be essentially replacing those older white folks who will have died will look at the Liberal and NDP parties and see their voting path forward. Not only from a policy standpoint, but on the fact that the parties are physically representing them. Diverse. Trudeau is very aware of this. He sees the shifting tides of the population. He sees progressive thinking. And he's capitalizing on it. To dumb this down a bit... for those who don't like 'wokeness' ... get used to being the losing party whining on the other side for a long time. 

The Cons could win my vote... quite easily to be honest if they start doing a handful of things.. .and stop doing a handful of things. Namely... stop blaming Trudeau for literally every problem in Canada. Stop acting like clowns by yelling and ringing bells in the House of Commons when people are talking. Stop trying to make me afraid of problems that don't exist. Stop playing the same game as Trudeau. If you think he's an ass because of how he type casted the freedom convoy, then don't do the same thing as he does. And don't EVER refer to progressive policies and thinking as 'Radical Left.' In general, start behaving better. If Trudeau is utterly classless... then start being the epitome of class and civility. How?  START calling out the 'F*ck Trudeau' idiots and the folks who fly the Canadian flag upside down as some sort of protest. Start distancing yourself from Trump, American Republican behaviour, Freedom Convoy clowns. Start explaining in enough detail not why or how Trudeau failed as a PM, but what you would have done differently.   They need to stop pandering to the PPC crowd, and start seeing Canada for what it is and not what a bunch of idiots think it ought to be. 

I follow Candice Bergen just like I followed O'Toole...  and the things these folks do and say and post about... and more importantly the comments from right leaning people blow my mind away. Utter stupidity, utter ignorance. 

If Trudeau supports offshore oil in Newfoundland and say a pipeline in the West (which he already did) .... consider it check-mate. (again) The far left environmental folks in green and NDP will scream foul play... but never enough to convince them to vote right. Jagmeet will be pissed off, but not enough to pull support because Trudeau will have given him dental care and pharma care which will be the pillars of Jagmeet trying to dethrone Trudeau in 2025.  Meanwhile.. he will have maintained his small amounts of support in the west, quieted his economic critics on the right, and gained support in the east. Small victories and status-quo. Then he keeps sprinkling his 'niceness dust' on progressive and social issues while he waits for the right to do anything that looks like the opposite and exploits it.  THAT's why he and his party focused so much on weapons, swastikas, and confederate flags during the freedom convoy.  We'll see how it plays out... but in Canadian politics.. he's genius.  Stop hating on him like a bunch of sore losers; beat him at his game. As Dalton from Road House would suggest... 'be nice.'  (sorry for the amount of words.) 

Yah I dont get the conservative party either.   The US feels like 40% right , 40% left, and 20% centre.

I feel like Canada is 30% right, 40% centre, 30% left, but when confronted with a choice between right and left, Canadian voters turn left. I personally wish we had something more in the centre (like the 90's version of the Liberal party).

I don't get why the Cons try to go even further right, you ignore all the people in the centre, and they end up drifting left instead.

At least here in Canada many of us realize all of our leaders suck.   We seem to have a much smaller contingent than the US that has a die hard hard faith in a single person or party.  Were just like.. well this is the least shitty thing for the next few years.

Yep 

HughFreakingDillon

there's more hate for trudeau than there is love for anyone else. 

Parksy

Anyone watch tune into the Conservative Party leadership debate? If so, thoughts? 

Also...  and this relates to the debates ... there is a lot of talk about "defunding the CBC."  I've talked to a couple of people, each are lovers of Pierre and everything he has to say.  Defunding the CBC to me equates to a more general conversation about journalism and news.  Private media vs. state-run media. 

I'm not sure how anyone can look at the private media path and think "yeah, that's what we want." To me it comes down to control.  As a consumer of media, you have little to no control over what a private company is going to and wants to put out.  Alternatively, with state-run media, we as constituents do have an amount of control in that if we suspect something doesn't smell right (presently, those thinking that the CBC is simply doing Trudeau's bidding) well.. .we can vote Trudeau and the Liberals out.  

Zod

I've never quite understood why we protect Canadian networks like CTV and Global, which basically don't make any useful cancon (at least not any that most people would watch) and exist to primarily resell US content.

I never had a problem with the CBC.  If we're going to focus efforts into something Canadian, why not focus the tax dollars and breaks into one place.

That being said, I rarely if ever watch CBC, but I do appreciate their website

erebus

Anyone watching the Conservative leadership debate tonight? I am going to give it a try and see how long I can last. 

Parksy

erebus said:

Anyone watching the Conservative leadership debate tonight? I am going to give it a try and see how long I can last. 

It's the same song and dance. 

HughFreakingDillon

I loved Trudeau's rebuttal of Owens' flub when she said "stop spreading information to canadians". it was funny as hell. 

erebus

I made it through the whole debate.

If you thought Trudeau is arrogant and entitled,  let me introduce you to Mr. Poilievre.

I don't think the Cons can win despite a lot of people not caring/tiring of JT

Parksy

erebus said:

I made it through the whole debate.

If you thought Trudeau is arrogant and entitled,  let me introduce you to Mr. Poilievre.

I don't think the Cons can win despite a lot of people not caring/tiring of JT

If Charest wins the Conservative leadership and the election was in a month, I would vote Conservative. If it was Polieievre, I would vote Liberal. 

Pierre is so engrained in his own populist movement and scoring points with his base that he and the party are forgetting that they need not win people to the right of the political spectrum in Canada... they need to win people in the centre-left (which I consider myself to be).

DarthMaeglin

Ugh, lol. And everything I've seen makes me think Trudeau would support Minority Report-style precrime prosecutions. 

https://screenrant.com/justin-trudeau-iron-man-cameo-civil-war-ii/

Zod

DarthMaeglin said:

Ugh, lol. And everything I've seen makes me think Trudeau would support Minority Report-style precrime prosecutions. 

https://screenrant.com/justin-trudeau-iron-man-cameo-civil-war-ii/

What are you talking about?  We don't even jail people after they do a crime.. lol.  Trudeau started that whole catch and release thing, so now police run in circles rearresting the same people all day.

DarthMaeglin

Zod said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Ugh, lol. And everything I've seen makes me think Trudeau would support Minority Report-style precrime prosecutions. 

https://screenrant.com/justin-trudeau-iron-man-cameo-civil-war-ii/

What are you talking about?  We don't even jail people after they do a crime.. lol.  Trudeau started that whole catch and release thing, so now police run in circles rearresting the same people all day.

I agree that the Liberals in general are what I would call “soft on crime” (to say nothing of the other day’s Supreme Court ruling).

 I started calling Trudeau the Magic Man when he showed during the last election that he can tell at a glance who is vaccinated and who isn’t, and his recent certainty on “unacceptable views” only further justified the nickname to me, lol.

HughFreakingDillon

Trudeau is a dictator. 
Trudeau is soft on crime. 
Trudeau just wasn't ready. 
Trudeau is a master at political doublespeak. 

I wonder when conservatives are going to make up their mind about this guy. 

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

Trudeau is a dictator. 
Trudeau is soft on crime. 
Trudeau just wasn't ready. 
Trudeau is a master at political doublespeak. 

I wonder when conservatives are going to make up their mind about this guy. 

Conservatives have no clue what direction they want to take their own party or who they want leading it.  They all seem to agree that Trudeau needs to go (I agree) but have no sense of direction or strategy on how to do it properly.  If they go with Pierre...  we'll be looking at Trudeau as our PM for another decade if he wants. 

Pierre (leading Conservative candidate) just did a 90 minute interview with Jordan Peterson of all people.  It was a good interview for the most part... and Pierre made a small handful of good points to his credit... beyond that handful was a Trudeau complaint fest based on the most ridiculous stuff. But if I was a Liberal... I would take that interview and put it in my back pocket and then use it to absolutely burn him in a race. The one exchange that absolutely floored me:

Peterson to Pierre: "Why do people like you? Why do so many people attend your rallies?" 
Pierre: "Because I speak plainly to people. I speak plain, Anglo-Saxon english to people and that gives them hope." 

And just like that..... you're done in Canada, goof. Canada is not interested in a populist Trump wannabe. 

HughFreakingDillon

Trudeau cancels fundraising appearance in Surrey after protesters show up, hurling racial slurs at attendees, volunteers. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trudeau-cancels-surrey-appearance-1.6464856