Canadian Politics Redux

Parksy

PJPOWER said:

The Juggler said:

PJPOWER said:

The Juggler said:

Throw these truckers in jail. Lock them up. 

For a “peaceful protest”?  Am I missing something?  

Does Canada have the death penalty?

I don’t pay that much attention to Canada….but what’s the relevance?

i wish more people would stop paying attention to Canada lol 

PJPOWER

Parksy said:

PJPOWER said:

The Juggler said:

PJPOWER said:

The Juggler said:

Throw these truckers in jail. Lock them up. 

For a “peaceful protest”?  Am I missing something?  

Does Canada have the death penalty?

I don’t pay that much attention to Canada….but what’s the relevance?

i wish more people would stop paying attention to Canada lol 

Ha, my only knowledge of Canada stems from Letterkenny and Trailer Park Boys…don’t cha know.
What’s allz this truckerz business aboot, boyz?

Zod

The Juggler said:

PJPOWER said:

The Juggler said:

Throw these truckers in jail. Lock them up. 

For a “peaceful protest”?  Am I missing something?  

Does Canada have the death penalty?

We do not.  In fact our legal system is insanely leniant.  Sentences often feel short here compared to the severity of a crime.   Like people getting less than 10 years for murder kind of thing.

Our federal government also passed law putting restrictions on how long police could hold people.  So for crimes like theft, assault, and what not, the police arrest the person, then courts release them, and they do the crime again on the same day.

I've started to feel like we might need a harsher system.  Like the US 3 strikes rule, but maybe we make it 4 strikes.. lol.   If you have mental health problems then you forced into treatement, if you have drug problems then forced into rehab kind of thing.    Do the time and cleaned up.

Basically, in regards to crime, it feels like the police can do very little, and people just do what they want.  I remember having a social studies teacher that said there aren't many police.  Laws work because people have the fear of getting caught and suffering consequences.  It breaks down when that illusion is shattered, and to me it feels like that's where were at in Canada.  Police spend all their time dealing with the mentally ill and/or drug addicts.  There's not much resources left anymore for anything else.

oftenreading

Zod said:

Parksy said:

Zod said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

when was the last time we were restricted from travelling within canada? I was just in Vancouver in November. 

Here in BC last year, our government put up a sign at the BC/Alberta border recommending against it, but they didn't really enforce anything.  I think Atlantic Canada was the most strict it got with the safety bubble thing.

My brother... a generally smart fellow was lamenting to me a few weeks ago about how he was so tired of these 'lockdowns' and was upset that some of his friends didn't agree with his decision to go to Hawaii for a vacation in a couple days. 

That was an easy argument to win. lol 

"Bro, by hopping on a plane and going to Hawaii for vacation is the only evidence I need to say that you are nowhere near living in 'lockdown' circumstances." 

"Yeah... I guess you're right." 

"No, no... I AM right. This is not subject to debate." 

haha, yah we're not really locked down.   You need vaccines to do public indoor stuff like movies, restaurants, live events, and there's a 50% capacity restriction on live events... travel you can still do.  So it's some mild restrictions here, but you can mostly do what you want to do.

I will agree I'm not entirely sure why we still have the testing requirement at the border.   Omicron is rampant on both sides of the border.  It makes little sense to test anymore.    We're trying to go to Seattle in a few weeks and we need to figure out how to get a PCR test while down in Washington state.   The thing is, we need to get it as soon as we arrive in the US so the result is in before we have to come back.  Which means if we did get covid while down there, it's not going to show up on the test.  lol.

There's a part of me that's starting to say fuck it to things.  I've had 3 shots now, and I'll get more if I need to.  I'll wear a mask to be safe, but something like 85% of our population in BC is vaccinated, and it didn't stop Covid.  The vaccines wane quickly, and they've become moderately obsolete due to variants.

Even with the truckers, I'm like does it matter?  I think we hit our overall targets for how many people we were aiming to vaccinate in Canada.   We knew there would be a contingent who wouldn't get them, but we did a pretty damn good job getting them rolled out.   Yet here we are at the target, and it doesn't feel like much changed.    I realize our medical system is under strain, and our governments failed by not increasing capacity over the last 2 years, but at what point does it become a personal decision.  If someone wants to play russian roulette with Covid, is that there choice?   Such hard conversations to have given the fuck you response on both sides of the arguments.

I dunno.. I feel like things should open up a bit, but keep the clamp it back down card if a worse variant arrives. 

The problem is the trucker protests are giving it such a bad name, I don't think the government is going to flinch because it'll look like they gave into the truckers.

I can agree with some of this but not all. I agree that we should remove the border testing requirement; there’s never been much of any evidence that it has prevented transmission because incoming travellers never amounted to more than a percent or two of cases. It has caused way more expense and hassle than it was ever worth, and diverted testing materials from where they could have been better used, for actual diagnosis. 

I think you’re wrong on the comment about the government failing to increase capacity in the health care system though. Unless you’ve been working in healthcare the last two years you have no idea how stressed the system has been. The idea of “increasing capacity” is pointless, in the face of a worldwide tsunami of a pandemic that has crashed every health care system and washed away resources of every type, human, equipment and infrastructure. 

And regarding Seattle - I am getting tested at SeaTac when I fly in. I fly out 71.5 hours later, so am just going to get it done on arrival and then not have to bother about it. Unless I test positive, of course  You can get a rapid PCR test at any point though and get the results back within an hour. 

Parksy

oftenreading said:

Zod said:

Parksy said:

Zod said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

when was the last time we were restricted from travelling within canada? I was just in Vancouver in November. 

Here in BC last year, our government put up a sign at the BC/Alberta border recommending against it, but they didn't really enforce anything.  I think Atlantic Canada was the most strict it got with the safety bubble thing.

My brother... a generally smart fellow was lamenting to me a few weeks ago about how he was so tired of these 'lockdowns' and was upset that some of his friends didn't agree with his decision to go to Hawaii for a vacation in a couple days. 

That was an easy argument to win. lol 

"Bro, by hopping on a plane and going to Hawaii for vacation is the only evidence I need to say that you are nowhere near living in 'lockdown' circumstances." 

"Yeah... I guess you're right." 

"No, no... I AM right. This is not subject to debate." 

haha, yah we're not really locked down.   You need vaccines to do public indoor stuff like movies, restaurants, live events, and there's a 50% capacity restriction on live events... travel you can still do.  So it's some mild restrictions here, but you can mostly do what you want to do.

I will agree I'm not entirely sure why we still have the testing requirement at the border.   Omicron is rampant on both sides of the border.  It makes little sense to test anymore.    We're trying to go to Seattle in a few weeks and we need to figure out how to get a PCR test while down in Washington state.   The thing is, we need to get it as soon as we arrive in the US so the result is in before we have to come back.  Which means if we did get covid while down there, it's not going to show up on the test.  lol.

There's a part of me that's starting to say fuck it to things.  I've had 3 shots now, and I'll get more if I need to.  I'll wear a mask to be safe, but something like 85% of our population in BC is vaccinated, and it didn't stop Covid.  The vaccines wane quickly, and they've become moderately obsolete due to variants.

Even with the truckers, I'm like does it matter?  I think we hit our overall targets for how many people we were aiming to vaccinate in Canada.   We knew there would be a contingent who wouldn't get them, but we did a pretty damn good job getting them rolled out.   Yet here we are at the target, and it doesn't feel like much changed.    I realize our medical system is under strain, and our governments failed by not increasing capacity over the last 2 years, but at what point does it become a personal decision.  If someone wants to play russian roulette with Covid, is that there choice?   Such hard conversations to have given the fuck you response on both sides of the arguments.

I dunno.. I feel like things should open up a bit, but keep the clamp it back down card if a worse variant arrives. 

The problem is the trucker protests are giving it such a bad name, I don't think the government is going to flinch because it'll look like they gave into the truckers.

I can agree with some of this but not all. I agree that we should remove the border testing requirement; there’s never been much of any evidence that it has prevented transmission because incoming travellers never amounted to more than a percent or two of cases. It has caused way more expense and hassle than it was ever worth, and diverted testing materials from where they could have been better used, for actual diagnosis. 

I think you’re wrong on the comment about the government failing to increase capacity in the health care system though. Unless you’ve been working in healthcare the last two years you have no idea how stressed the system has been. The idea of “increasing capacity” is pointless, in the face of a worldwide tsunami of a pandemic that has crashed every health care system and washed away resources of every type, human, equipment and infrastructure. 

And regarding Seattle - I am getting tested at SeaTac when I fly in. I fly out 71.5 hours later, so am just going to get it done on arrival and then not have to bother about it. Unless I test positive, of course  You can get a rapid PCR test at any point though and get the results back within an hour. 

I see both sides here...  and I mean regardless of points of view, COVID is bad, but preventable. Looking at the argument in terms of 'ok, let's just live with this and increase our capacity' while it's totally understandable it also has fallacies. 

On a very basic level, we're essentially saying "we have to be ok with more sick people."  "The solution here is to make more room for sick people."  I know that sounds alarmist, but it's just fundamentally factual.  I want things to open too, but before we land on option B which is fix our health care and capacity...  I think we need to exhaust every preventable option. Let's prevent COVID, not deal with it as it comes. 85-90 is a good level... I think we should strive for UAE levels of 98 to be honest.  And if it takes 4, 5, 6, 7 shots... then so be it. If they want me to sign up for my monthly COVID shot, awesome. Whatever it takes to resume normalcy SAFELY. 

I think we're all optimistic that we're coming to an end here... but it's important to note that we could still face another variant.  First world countries are doing great with our vaccines but we live in a globalist economy. If we just 'OPEN UP' before the rest of the world is ready... we risk another variant, another mutation, and possibly one that's worse. 

Thinking even more outside of the box.. what if a totally different virus shows up.  If this pandemic has taught me anything, it's that we are not prepared to handle any kind of serious problems.  Government and health care are a problem yes,  but our citizens are also equally problematic. I never thought I would see some of the thoughts, opinions, and speech from friends and family members as I have since this began.  Folks blatantly suggesting that there is a percentage of loss of life that is acceptable so that most people can eat inside, go to hockey games, concerts, travel and have vacations.  It's a sad reality showing how entitled, selfish, and greedy a lot of us have become. Doens't help at all that our leaders set piss poor examples... all of them.  

Just to note..  I'm not saying being more prepared is a bad thing.  But it's a pipe dream at this point. Governments are going to be keeping spending down.  Saying after a devastating pandemic that we need to aggressively fund health care is smart...  but in a year or so, you're going to be looking at unused ICUs, unused beds, loads of nurses and equipment (Which I think personally is a good thing).  Like SimCity though, politicians and citizens will start complaining about taxes and look at these things to cut.  Wise ones will say "But remember COVID and how unprepared we were?" And those warnings will be ignored. And the shit cycle will continue. 

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/hannah_bananaz/status/1491475752209944580?s=21

More MSM drivel…

Zod

Parksy said:

Just to note..  I'm not saying being more prepared is a bad thing.  But it's a pipe dream at this point. Governments are going to be keeping spending down.  Saying after a devastating pandemic that we need to aggressively fund health care is smart...  but in a year or so, you're going to be looking at unused ICUs, unused beds, loads of nurses and equipment (Which I think personally is a good thing).  Like SimCity though, politicians and citizens will start complaining about taxes and look at these things to cut.  Wise ones will say "But remember COVID and how unprepared we were?" And those warnings will be ignored. And the shit cycle will continue. 

Lol, I don't think that's going to happen.   People act like our health care system only got f'd when Covid started.  Our health care system was f'd long before covid started.   I haven't had a family doctor in over a decade, many people haven't.   Before Covid it was walk in clinics, but they were mostly full, you'd have to go to one at open and hope you could see a doctor in 3 to 4 hours.   Waitlists for specialists, procedures and stuff could take months, half a year, etc.. We had no excess capacity when covid started.  I don't think we're going to have any when it's done.   There's no proactive nature to our health care system anymore.  It's turned into a system of emergency medicine.   It would need serious investment and changes to get it back on track.

At the same, we have the boomer generation aging out, which is going to increase demands on the system quite a bit.

I don't think there's any situation here in Canada, where Covid ends, and all of a sudden it's sunshine, rainbows, and excess capacity in our health care system.  Maybe this is only in my province (BC), but I get the feeling the issues can be country wide.

Meltdown99

Ambassador Bridge in Windsor is closed indefinitely…The mayor has no intention of interfering. He knows his constituents…Windsor is a strong union town. Never a good idea to break up a protest… and it’s a beautiful day today for protesting.  I am heard of no churches being forced, business’s looted or statues toppled…they are still no to this protesting thing.

Parksy

Zod said:

Parksy said:

Just to note..  I'm not saying being more prepared is a bad thing.  But it's a pipe dream at this point. Governments are going to be keeping spending down.  Saying after a devastating pandemic that we need to aggressively fund health care is smart...  but in a year or so, you're going to be looking at unused ICUs, unused beds, loads of nurses and equipment (Which I think personally is a good thing).  Like SimCity though, politicians and citizens will start complaining about taxes and look at these things to cut.  Wise ones will say "But remember COVID and how unprepared we were?" And those warnings will be ignored. And the shit cycle will continue. 

Lol, I don't think that's going to happen.   People act like our health care system only got f'd when Covid started.  Our health care system was f'd long before covid started.   I haven't had a family doctor in over a decade, many people haven't.   Before Covid it was walk in clinics, but they were mostly full, you'd have to go to one at open and hope you could see a doctor in 3 to 4 hours.   Waitlists for specialists, procedures and stuff could take months, half a year, etc.. We had no excess capacity when covid started.  I don't think we're going to have any when it's done.   There's no proactive nature to our health care system anymore.  It's turned into a system of emergency medicine.   It would need serious investment and changes to get it back on track.

At the same, we have the boomer generation aging out, which is going to increase demands on the system quite a bit.

I don't think there's any situation here in Canada, where Covid ends, and all of a sudden it's sunshine, rainbows, and excess capacity in our health care system.  Maybe this is only in my province (BC), but I get the feeling the issues can be country wide.

You are correct 

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

Ambassador Bridge in Windsor is closed indefinitely…The mayor has no intention of interfering. He knows his constituents…Windsor is a strong union town. Never a good idea to break up a protest… and it’s a beautiful day today for protesting.  I am heard of no churches being forced, business’s looted or statues toppled…they are still no to this protesting thing.

just imagine if this was an Aboriginal cause. these pictures are proof of white privilege. 

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ambassador Bridge in Windsor is closed indefinitely…The mayor has no intention of interfering. He knows his constituents…Windsor is a strong union town. Never a good idea to break up a protest… and it’s a beautiful day today for protesting.  I am heard of no churches being forced, business’s looted or statues toppled…they are still no to this protesting thing.

just imagine if this was an Aboriginal cause. these pictures are proof of white privilege. 

You are correct.  

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/brianlilley/status/1491493463153684481?s=21

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/robfoot/status/1491492370499702785?s=21

The Juggler

I think it is kind of funny how these lazy bastards waited till, what appears to be, the tail end of the pandemic to do this. Even blue states in the US are now easing up on covid restrictions because Omicron cases are dropping at such a dramatic rate. It's almost over, ya dopes. 

They sort of remind me of my wife. You know how the volume on tv commercials are always louder than the actual show you're watching? Like clockwork she will complain about the volume during commercial breaks literally right before the show comes back on. Okay, well where the hell were you 2 minutes ago honey?!?! Same thing here. Exactly. Lock them the hell up!

HughFreakingDillon

The Juggler said:

I think it is kind of funny how these lazy bastards waited till, what appears to be, the tail end of the pandemic to do this. Even blue states in the US are now easing up on covid restrictions because Omicron cases are dropping at such a dramatic rate. It's almost over, ya dopes. 

They sort of remind me of my wife. You know how the volume on tv commercials are always louder than the actual show you're watching? Like clockwork she will complain about the volume during commercial breaks literally right before the show comes back on. Okay, well where the hell were you 2 minutes ago honey?!?! Same thing here. Exactly. Lock them the hell up!

yeah, I mentioned that earlier. it's so they can claim some type of victory when the powers that be "bowed to their demands", when it was the fucking plan all along. 

Parksy

The Juggler said:

I think it is kind of funny how these lazy bastards waited till, what appears to be, the tail end of the pandemic to do this. Even blue states in the US are now easing up on covid restrictions because Omicron cases are dropping at such a dramatic rate. It's almost over, ya dopes. 

They sort of remind me of my wife. You know how the volume on tv commercials are always louder than the actual show you're watching? Like clockwork she will complain about the volume during commercial breaks literally right before the show comes back on. Okay, well where the hell were you 2 minutes ago honey?!?! Same thing here. Exactly. Lock them the hell up!

Absolutely boggles the mind.  Ontario had already revealed it's road to reopening at least a week or so before they decided to do this.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYpvlV2T6kw

The Juggler

Yeah I think that's it too, guys. 

dignin

Southern Manitoba convoy slowing patients, nurses, ambulances trying to reach Boundary Trails hospital

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winkler-morden-trucker-convoy-hospital-1.6343967

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

Southern Manitoba convoy slowing patients, nurses, ambulances trying to reach Boundary Trails hospital

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winkler-morden-trucker-convoy-hospital-1.6343967

assholes

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/thetorontosun/status/1491417654451748866?s=21

It appears everyone is getting the message except Trudeau and Fatty Ford…and both are buddies with CEO of the big box stores who made record profits and benefit from locking down the small guy…