Hillary won more votes for President

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I can't even watch more than 15seconds of the video. It makes me ill.
How can the Americans allow this person to become POTUS?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-anthony-weiner.html?_r=0

I ask that question regularly and often these days. I have no idea how that can be. But we did elect Shrub twice so not totally surprised. I just had hoped after all these years of so-called changed that things would get better. There was some hope with Obama but now, back to worse than mediocrity in so-called leadership. Very disappointing, U.S.A.

Free

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Democrats should ask Clinton to step aside

Free

Clinton emails: Officials advised FBI not to reveal inquiry

The FBI was advised by the US justice department not to inform Congress of a new inquiry into Hillary Clinton's emails, officials say.

http://bbc.in/2e1GdLu

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I can't even watch more than 15seconds of the video. It makes me ill.
How can the Americans allow this person to become POTUS?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-anthony-weiner.html?_r=0

I ask that question regularly and often these days. I have no idea how that can be. But we did elect Shrub twice so not totally surprised. I just had hoped after all these years of so-called changed that things would get better. There was some hope with Obama but now, back to worse than mediocrity in so-called leadership. Very disappointing, U.S.A.

I think Obama did great. If the GOP had intelligent leadership they could have accomplished a lot.

PJ_Soul

Given everything that has happened with this election and everything it entails and means on so many different levels, this whole situation almost makes me feel sick TBH, and I'm not even American.
Dark days.

brianlux

Free said:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Democrats should ask Clinton to step aside

Yes and Hillary herself should step down without being asked but of course there is no way that will happen.

PJ_Soul said:

Given everything that has happened with this election and everything it entails and means on so many different levels, this whole situation almost makes me feel sick TBH, and I'm not even American.
Dark days.

These are dark days and the only solution to that I can think of is better education. How did we end up with Trump and Clinton as the two candidates despite the fact that together they are at an all time low approval rate? I think it has to be the result of an under-educated voting populous. How else could this have happened and what other solution is there?

PJ_Soul

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

You don't have to throw anything in anymore.
Hillary won.
Doesn't matter how or why.

Free

brianlux said:

Free said:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Democrats should ask Clinton to step aside

Yes and Hillary herself should step down without being asked but of course there is no way that will happen.

PJ_Soul said:

Given everything that has happened with this election and everything it entails and means on so many different levels, this whole situation almost makes me feel sick TBH, and I'm not even American.
Dark days.

These are dark days and the only solution to that I can think of is better education. How did we end up with Trump and Clinton as the two candidates despite the fact that together they are at an all time low approval rate? I think it has to be the result of an under-educated voting populous. How else could this have happened and what other solution is there?



Clinton started buying superdelegates back before Bernie even entered the race. She was planned to win this race when Obama won 8 years ago. It's all fixed Brian, see the Podesta thread. The only thing wasn't planned was that Trump did so well w/ support.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

You don't have to throw anything in anymore.
Hillary won.
Doesn't matter how or why.

She hasn't won yet, and either way, election day won't make the root causes of what is happening disappear. There is a lot to consider and worry about after election day. Something is changing for the worse in America, clearly. On several different levels. A lot of work ahead of Americans if they want to stop this wrecking ball. I wish them the best.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

I'm not sure why you call it "extremism behind this loathing of Clinton". Many of the people who now are supporting Hillary were very much against here before the Dem convention. Then she became the democratic nominee and all of the sudden her sins were not so egregious. Reacting negatively to the election of a candidate who has so much dirt on here record seems very reasonable, not extreme.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
I agree.
All the election threads have spewed a lot of undertones that many Americans are realizing for the first time.
I have to pull my head out of the American side once in awhile and remind myself that racism is dead (or at least we try to eliminate it) in our country and healthcare is free for everyone.
No guns for this guy.

brianlux

Free said:

brianlux said:

Free said:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Democrats should ask Clinton to step aside

Yes and Hillary herself should step down without being asked but of course there is no way that will happen.

PJ_Soul said:

Given everything that has happened with this election and everything it entails and means on so many different levels, this whole situation almost makes me feel sick TBH, and I'm not even American.
Dark days.

These are dark days and the only solution to that I can think of is better education. How did we end up with Trump and Clinton as the two candidates despite the fact that together they are at an all time low approval rate? I think it has to be the result of an under-educated voting populous. How else could this have happened and what other solution is there?

Clinton started buying superdelegates back before Bernie even entered the race. She was planned to win this race when Obama won 8 years ago. It's all fixed Brian, see the Podesta thread. The only thing wasn't planned was that Trump did so well w/ support.

Yes, there's that too of course. Money will buy you anything if you have enough or at least enough power and access to it. Even the presidency. It's what runs the show.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

I'm not sure why you call it "extremism behind this loathing of Clinton". Many of the people who now are supporting Hillary were very much against here before the Dem convention. Then she became the democratic nominee and all of the sudden her sins were not so egregious. Reacting negatively to the election of a candidate who has so much dirt on here record seems very reasonable, not extreme.

You must be kidding. People are talking about how she should be thrown in prison when she hasn't even been charged with anything, literally fabricating corruption in her charitable foundation, and saying that she is having multiple people murdered. And that she supports her husband being a rapist, that she victim shames... etc. And there are so many other lies floating around, and now this crazy thing with the new FBI info. None of this is reasonable. It is fanatical propaganda. Meanwhile, None of her actual accomplishments are ever referenced or considered.
I am not even a Clinton supporter, but I think this fanatical loathing is as obvious as a punch in the face. Meanwhile, Trump gets away with being a sexual predator, while there is actual proof that he committed fraud in his own charity foundation. He is getting away with it just because, I suppose, he is not held up to any standards whatsoever, but also because there are people working hard to maintain and grow unjustified, deep, visceral hate of Clinton in order to distract from Trump. I think there should be a criminal investigation against him, but that idea isn't even a blip on the radar. Meanwhile, the a FBI seems to now have involvement in politicizing their work days before the election. It's absolutely bizarre.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

I'm not sure why you call it "extremism behind this loathing of Clinton". Many of the people who now are supporting Hillary were very much against here before the Dem convention. Then she became the democratic nominee and all of the sudden her sins were not so egregious. Reacting negatively to the election of a candidate who has so much dirt on here record seems very reasonable, not extreme.

You must be kidding. People are talking about how she should be thrown in prison when she hasn't even been charged with anything, literally fabricating corruption in her charitable foundation, and saying that she is having multiple people murdered. And that she supports her husband being a rapist, that she victim shames... etc. And there are so many other lies floating around, and now this crazy thing with the new FBI info. None of this is reasonable. It is fanatical propaganda. Meanwhile, None of her actual accomplishments are ever referenced or considered.
I am not even a Clinton supporter, but I think this fanatical loathing is as obvious as a punch in the face. Meanwhile, Trump gets away with being a sexual predator, while there is actual proof that he committed fraud in his own charity foundation. He is getting away with it just because, I suppose, he is not held up to any standards whatsoever, but also because there are people working hard to maintain and grow unjustified, deep, visceral hate of Clinton in order to distract from Trump. I think there should be a criminal investigation against him, but that idea isn't even a blip on the radar. Meanwhile, the a FBI seems to now have involvement in politicizing their work days before the election. It's absolutely bizarre.

I'm not in favor of fanatical loathing. Just reasonable loathing. And it's not like I personally hate Hillary. I just wish she were not so damn likely to become our next president. I am ashamed of this country for not being able to nominate and elect better candidates. Many many many Americans feel the same way.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Is this an accurate article take?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/if-elected-clinton-faces-awkward-coexistence-with-comey-1.3138255

JC29856

Podesta really really wanted to link Comey to Russia Russia Russia.

Hillary learned from her "mistake", but can't explain what was learned.

https://youtu.be/yvRYfZ67wrw

unsung

Smellyman

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

I'm not sure why you call it "extremism behind this loathing of Clinton". Many of the people who now are supporting Hillary were very much against here before the Dem convention. Then she became the democratic nominee and all of the sudden her sins were not so egregious. Reacting negatively to the election of a candidate who has so much dirt on here record seems very reasonable, not extreme.

You must be kidding. People are talking about how she should be thrown in prison when she hasn't even been charged with anything, literally fabricating corruption in her charitable foundation, and saying that she is having multiple people murdered. And that she supports her husband being a rapist, that she victim shames... etc. And there are so many other lies floating around, and now this crazy thing with the new FBI info. None of this is reasonable. It is fanatical propaganda. Meanwhile, None of her actual accomplishments are ever referenced or considered.
I am not even a Clinton supporter, but I think this fanatical loathing is as obvious as a punch in the face. Meanwhile, Trump gets away with being a sexual predator, while there is actual proof that he committed fraud in his own charity foundation. He is getting away with it just because, I suppose, he is not held up to any standards whatsoever, but also because there are people working hard to maintain and grow unjustified, deep, visceral hate of Clinton in order to distract from Trump. I think there should be a criminal investigation against him, but that idea isn't even a blip on the radar. Meanwhile, the a FBI seems to now have involvement in politicizing their work days before the election. It's absolutely bizarre.

The Clinton witch hunts began in 1992. Ask most people why they hate Hilary and they can't articulate it. It has been beaten in their heads for 24 years.

Ask Godffather and it is about 1% factual.

ledvedderman

Smellyman said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

I would like to throw in that I think part of what makes these dark days is the fucked up extremism behind this loathing of Clinton, as well as the underreaction to Trump's sexually predatory behaviour and nature.

I'm not sure why you call it "extremism behind this loathing of Clinton". Many of the people who now are supporting Hillary were very much against here before the Dem convention. Then she became the democratic nominee and all of the sudden her sins were not so egregious. Reacting negatively to the election of a candidate who has so much dirt on here record seems very reasonable, not extreme.

You must be kidding. People are talking about how she should be thrown in prison when she hasn't even been charged with anything, literally fabricating corruption in her charitable foundation, and saying that she is having multiple people murdered. And that she supports her husband being a rapist, that she victim shames... etc. And there are so many other lies floating around, and now this crazy thing with the new FBI info. None of this is reasonable. It is fanatical propaganda. Meanwhile, None of her actual accomplishments are ever referenced or considered.
I am not even a Clinton supporter, but I think this fanatical loathing is as obvious as a punch in the face. Meanwhile, Trump gets away with being a sexual predator, while there is actual proof that he committed fraud in his own charity foundation. He is getting away with it just because, I suppose, he is not held up to any standards whatsoever, but also because there are people working hard to maintain and grow unjustified, deep, visceral hate of Clinton in order to distract from Trump. I think there should be a criminal investigation against him, but that idea isn't even a blip on the radar. Meanwhile, the a FBI seems to now have involvement in politicizing their work days before the election. It's absolutely bizarre.

The Clinton witch hunts began in 1992. Ask most people why they hate Hilary and they can't articulate it. It has been beaten in their heads for 24 years.

Ask Godffather and it is about 1% factual.

I read an article several weeks ago that attributed the intense hatred for the Clinton's in '92 stems from them breaking a longstanding hold on the White House by Republican. Also playing a factor was Hilary's role in Watergate investigations. They were doomed from the start.