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GO KNICKERS! lol
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That sounds pretty Ohio to me lolGern Blansten said:
Where in Ohio? We have family in Darke County. That's where my brother in law lives that told me Obama only got elected "because of the niXXers"rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.
I live in Carroll County, way over in the hills of eastern Ohio. Just as rural, probably moreso.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Woot woot! I grew up in Tuscarawas County, you probably drove through on 77 and remarked at our beautiful cow pastures and shuttered factories lol. Though, really, when it comes to shuttered factories, Cuyahoga can probably compete with any county in the States.mrussel1 said:
I lived most of my life in Cuyahoga County. I have never heard of Drake. Where is that? Where I'm from, we believe that Ohio ends at OU. After that, it's KY.Gern Blansten said:
Where in Ohio? We have family in Darke County. That's where my brother in law lives that told me Obama only got elected "because of the niXXers"rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
you mean OSU?mrussel1 said:
I lived most of my life in Cuyahoga County. I have never heard of Drake. Where is that? Where I'm from, we believe that Ohio ends at OU. After that, it's KY.Gern Blansten said:
Where in Ohio? We have family in Darke County. That's where my brother in law lives that told me Obama only got elected "because of the niXXers"rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.
Darke County is just NW of Dayton. Greenville is the county seat.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/19/donald-trump-ny1-2008-hillary-clinton-kfile-jnd-orig.cnn
Trump praises Hillary and Bill in 2008 video.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
yur other fanboy posted that yesterday. Gern or Russel, of course.0
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I'm trying to figure out if you are a bigger Trumpboy than toejam8rssesq said:yur other fanboy posted that yesterday. Gern or Russel, of course.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
oh, am I being called a fanboy now too? I'm tickled!rssesq said:yur other fanboy posted that yesterday. Gern or Russel, of course.
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
The right-wing media giving him unconditional support? Are you even paying attention? Hannity absolutely is but many others are certainly not. The vast majority of conservative media is part of the #NeverTrump movement. This began during the primaries and continues to this day...it is not even close. I read a ton of conservative media so I am absolutely in a position to make those claims.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.0 -
Well today's Bloomberg poll that shows Trump up in FL is rated as an A+ poll by Nate Silver. It has a very good track record. The commentary is there and it makes the point that Trump is up with independents and that he is taking a larger percentage of the african american vote then Romney did. This poll is within the margin of error to be sure but it certainly shows that Trump is very much in the game. If someone told you at the start of the primary that with two weeks to go Trump would be leading in Ohio and would be tied in Florida I'm sure you would be concerned. Those states tend to go with the winner every time.Gern Blansten said:
Yeah and they get released without much commentary. Just "TRUMP LEADS CLINTON IN FL" but no commentary on other polls or the track record of the poll they are announcing.mrussel1 said:
Nor was there constant polling so you could see the trends.Gern Blansten said:
And we didn't have the internet feeding people bullshit information...mrussel1 said:
In 1980, the debate happened right before the election. I would bet it was after that poll you just cited. This was the infamous 'malaise' debate that sank Carter.BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
Then 30 minutes later "CLINTON LEADS TRUMP IN FL"....0 -
Ok...so help explain how Ohio is one of the only swing stages that has pretty much shown Trump up the entire time? You can't honestly believe that the bulk of your state is racist can you?rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.0 -
Not racist....uneducated. Lots of lower middle class uninformed uneducated white voters. That's Trump's recipe.BS44325 said:
Ok...so help explain how Ohio is one of the only swing stages that has pretty much shown Trump up the entire time? You can't honestly believe that the bulk of your state is racist can you?rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
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Oh. So they're stupid.Gern Blansten said:
Not racist....uneducated. Lots of lower middle class uninformed uneducated white voters. That's Trump's recipe.BS44325 said:
Ok...so help explain how Ohio is one of the only swing stages that has pretty much shown Trump up the entire time? You can't honestly believe that the bulk of your state is racist can you?rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.0 -
Nice stereotype ...Gern Blansten said:
Not racist....uneducated. Lots of lower middle class uninformed uneducated white voters. That's Trump's recipe.BS44325 said:
Ok...so help explain how Ohio is one of the only swing stages that has pretty much shown Trump up the entire time? You can't honestly believe that the bulk of your state is racist can you?rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
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Ignorant is the better term. Extremely ignorant.BS44325 said:
Oh. So they're stupid.Gern Blansten said:
Not racist....uneducated. Lots of lower middle class uninformed uneducated white voters. That's Trump's recipe.BS44325 said:
Ok...so help explain how Ohio is one of the only swing stages that has pretty much shown Trump up the entire time? You can't honestly believe that the bulk of your state is racist can you?rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
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The allegations against Trump are treated as guilty until proven innocent in the media and this board. Now, I believe most of the allegations are true based on the number of allegations (where there is smoke there is fire). There are numerous allegations against Hillary of her being a liar, deceitful, greedy, self-centered, disliking the common man, etc... but she is somehow given the benefit of the doubt on here. This secret service agent must be a liar. Her husband was having sex with interns while his kid was in the house and she thought it was okay to stay with him and keep their daughter in that environment. There should be little benefit of the doubt afforded.HughFreakingDillon said:
what rgambs said.bootlegger10 said:
Everyone is lying except Hillary right? All benefit of the doubt is provided to Hillary I guess. She can do no wrong.rgambs said:
Yeah, I have heard this stuff before. Unfortunately the Secret Service's reputation is pretty tarnished lately so their credibility is in question.g under p said:http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/secret-service-agent-says-good/
Hillary's treatment of her Secret Service appears to be not so good.
"Good morning, ma'am," a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton. "F*** off," she replied.
Peace
Personally, I don't give any additional credibility to an individuals claims because of the clothes they wear to work, but I am certainly in the minority there. People tend to think anyone who wears a somewhat military style uniform (they wear suits, but you get the point) should be taken at their word for some reason, as if cops and soldiers are not fallible people who are often wrong or lying.
I find it very interesting how most everyone who hates hillary takes every anti-hillary claim as gospel. come on. you know better.
That is my point. Perhaps the agent is lying, but it is tiring reading about everything said about Hillary is false until absolutely proven.
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I'm giving Athens credit due to the Halloween party. And I grew up next to the Ford and GM plants in Brook Park. They were shuttered and opened so many times.Gern Blansten said:
you mean OSU?mrussel1 said:
I lived most of my life in Cuyahoga County. I have never heard of Drake. Where is that? Where I'm from, we believe that Ohio ends at OU. After that, it's KY.Gern Blansten said:
Where in Ohio? We have family in Darke County. That's where my brother in law lives that told me Obama only got elected "because of the niXXers"rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.
Darke County is just NW of Dayton. Greenville is the county seat.0 -
The problem with Ohio is that it is reverse of the rest of the country. The education levels are not keeping up with national averagesBS44325 said:
Ok...so help explain how Ohio is one of the only swing stages that has pretty much shown Trump up the entire time? You can't honestly believe that the bulk of your state is racist can you?rgambs said:
I live in Ohio, my world is known for being a representation of the country lol. Seriously.tonifig8 said:
BS's comment was on point.rgambs said:
I don't understand how you are in a position to make those claims. How many people do you know who are voting for Trump? How can you say that it has nothing to do with conservatism with the right-wing media giving him unconditional support?BS44325 said:
This has nothing to do with conservatism because I don't believe he is a conservative and most republicans don't believe he is a conservative. Most conservatives including myself don't actually like trump but recognize the protest vote he is now becoming. I'm sorry but his "base" is made up of far more rational "throw the bums out" voters then the racists you describe. At some point democrats win or lose will have to come to terms with segment of the electorate that are not racist but that are just disgusted with the whole system. They are real people with real concerns and brushing them of as racist is just a way for you to avoid dealing with their troubles. Washington is broken and the choice is between change or more of the same. Nobody knows what Trump's change will bring but what they do know is that for the first time ever there is a candidate who doesn't owe anything to his own party or any big money donors. It is the system's hate for Trump that would actually allow him to affect the most change. I get that it's scary but in some ways it's refreshing.rgambs said:
That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.BS44325 said:
I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.eddiec said:
Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.BS44325 said:
You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.mrussel1 said:
Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.BS44325 said:
Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.mrussel1 said:
Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.BS44325 said:
Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.mrussel1 said:
Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.BS44325 said:
Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.Gern Blansten said:
France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.
Finally as an aside...
In this day in Presidential history polls had Jimmy Carter up 9 points over Ronald Reagan.
Trump is behind but in swing states he is still close enough to make a move. Those states will either all break away from him or all break for him. People want change and they just have to decide whether they want to take a plunge on a massive question mark.
I know actual, real world Trump supporters in the flesh and they are not what you so desperately want to believe they are.
You are contradicting the many conservative voices like George Will who are disgusted with what conservatism has become since they let the Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, crowd take over their movement.
I'm a life long progressive and You could place me under BS's explanation-
Also, I know some hardcore conservatives, the type that had a hard on for Cruz, and they too fall under BS's explanation. Believe it or not, you're world along with your neighbor doesn't represent the country. Maybe you're not as informed(aware) as you think you are.
I just found out yesterday that people in certain parts of the country still use the term "supper"... Wtf... Haha
Edit: I'm also a Hispanic.0 -
from what I've been reading this entire time, is that Hillary is absolutely not being given the benefit of the doubt at all. People acknowledge her shadiness completely. it's not that the secret service agent is a liar. but it's one person. Like you said, if Trump had only one accuser, it would be much different. I, for one, was one of the ones tellling people on here when it was only one that it is innocent until proven guilty.bootlegger10 said:
The allegations against Trump are treated as guilty until proven innocent in the media and this board. Now, I believe most of the allegations are true based on the number of allegations (where there is smoke there is fire). There are numerous allegations against Hillary of her being a liar, deceitful, greedy, self-centered, disliking the common man, etc... but she is somehow given the benefit of the doubt on here. This secret service agent must be a liar. Her husband was having sex with interns while his kid was in the house and she thought it was okay to stay with him and keep their daughter in that environment. There should be little benefit of the doubt afforded.HughFreakingDillon said:
what rgambs said.bootlegger10 said:
Everyone is lying except Hillary right? All benefit of the doubt is provided to Hillary I guess. She can do no wrong.rgambs said:
Yeah, I have heard this stuff before. Unfortunately the Secret Service's reputation is pretty tarnished lately so their credibility is in question.g under p said:http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/secret-service-agent-says-good/
Hillary's treatment of her Secret Service appears to be not so good.
"Good morning, ma'am," a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton. "F*** off," she replied.
Peace
Personally, I don't give any additional credibility to an individuals claims because of the clothes they wear to work, but I am certainly in the minority there. People tend to think anyone who wears a somewhat military style uniform (they wear suits, but you get the point) should be taken at their word for some reason, as if cops and soldiers are not fallible people who are often wrong or lying.
I find it very interesting how most everyone who hates hillary takes every anti-hillary claim as gospel. come on. you know better.
That is my point. Perhaps the agent is lying, but it is tiring reading about everything said about Hillary is false until absolutely proven.
The "husband" thing is a non-judging point for me. People have affairs with their kids at home all the time (and that house is not your average home, it's a fucking office building). Not something I would do, but that's on Bill, not on Hillary. Being in that sitution is impossible for anyone. Can you imagine being in the white house and having to make the choice of bringing down the leader of the free world?
People just don't want Trump in office. I didn't see many Hillary supporters on here during the primary. it's only now that people think she is the less dangerous of two nimrods.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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