funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Saw them about 5 years ago and thought the same thing. A shell of their former selves- borderline embarrassing given everything.
You both speak nonsense.Dave was solid down here.Although the MRS was like "damn he's a shwarmy little dude now" Eddie was tight,but W/o Mike Anthony something just missing
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callen, like at an abortion clinic type of preaching? Amazing...as in unbelievable.
And rr said Dave rocked when he recently saw them. Dude's probably got his off nights at this point.
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funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
they have done just that mike. i completely agree with you.
i am actually sad to see it happen.
good to see you around here. the train has sorely missed your contributions.
hope all is well with you, man.
Thanks man, hopefully I can make a more concerted effort, as odd as it sounds I kind of missed all the nonsense. I have lurked a few times here and there but have not had a chance to really get into anything the last 6 months or so. Life gets in the way sometimes.
Hope things are well with you too.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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^^^ Me too, Mike. Good to see you here!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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I just came across this article tonight. It boggles my mind that someone as highly educated in the sciences as Carson can believe the things he appears to believe. It would be one thing if he had never been exposed to this, but how can one get through all the basic sciences, medical school, and then his residency and not be aware of, for instance, the wealth of evidence for evolution? It can only be willful blindness.
At one point in time, GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson may have been best known as an excellent, even groundbreaking, neurosurgeon. In recent years, though, he’s done everything he can to throw that reputation away. Phil Plait Phil Plait
Phil Plait writes Slate’s Bad Astronomy blog and is an astronomer, public speaker, science evangelizer, and author of Death From the Skies!
It won’t surprise regular readers to know I disagree with him on, well, almost everything. But recently he’s starting to get more heat about his religious views. He’s an outspoken creationist.
This actually goes way back. In 2006 he clearly stated his anti-evolutionary views and has repeated these claims many times since. In 2012 there was controversy over this when he was asked to give the commencement address at Emory University. In 2004 he said that people who accept evolution “dismiss ethics,” a comment he later backed down on a very tiny little bit (later saying they “might have more difficulty deriving where their ethics come from”).
I’d heard about all this before, but an article at BuzzFeed has something I hadn’t heard: In 2012, in a speech at an event called “Celebration of Creation,” he said that Darwin came up with evolutionary theory because the devil made him do it.
I mean that literally. He said, “I personally believe that this theory that Darwin came up with was something that was encouraged by the adversary.” The Adversary is a nickname for the devil; it’s the actual translation of the word “Satan.” So there’s that.
He also dismissed the Big Bang, calling it a “fairy tale.” The irony of this is palpable. When recently called on this claim, he dug in, saying (about people who think the Big Bang is true), “Here’s the key, I then say to them look, ‘I’m not gonna criticize you, you have a lot more faith then I have.’ I couldn’t, I don’t have enough faith to believe that.”
Wow. Where to start?
OK, how about this: The Big Bang is not something you believe in. It’s a scientific model, supported by a truly vast amount of evidence. It doesn’t take faith, it takes science (and, despite Carson’s claims, science is not faith-based).
Creationists who dismiss the Big Bang usually do so because they think the Earth is young, 6,000–10,000 years old. This belief is, to put it simply, wrong. We know the Earth is more than 4.5 billion years old, give or take a few million years. The evidence for this is overwhelming.
We also know the Universe itself is old; a huge number of independent lines of evidence make this clear. It doesn’t take faith to think the Big Bang is true, it takes a profound dismissal of all of science to think it isn’t.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Which brings us to evolution. Young Earth Creationists dismiss this as well due to the age issues, as well as others (for example, the Bible stating that God created Adam fully formed and in his image).
But evolution is a fact. Like the Big Bang, the evidence for it is overwhelming (it’s even been observed).
It bothers me greatly when a presidential candidate is so cavalier in dismissing facts. That’s a route we’ve been down before, and it leads to Very Bad Things.
As for Carson’s statement on ethics, well, humans were ethical long before monotheism came around. His claim that people who accept evolution is true might have difficulty with ethics is profoundly insulting to scientists.
The almost unutterable irony here is how Carson dismisses this all, talking about “high-faluting” scientists. But he was a neurosurgeon. His entire career owes its existence to science, yet he tosses out the men and women over the past few centuries whose expertise allowed him to benefit so greatly from his practice.
I know a lot of the Republican base is very religious, and they have every right to be. But fundamentalism is dangerous; it promotes clearly erroneous claims while simultaneously encouraging people to legislate those beliefs. We’ve seen what happens there; fittingly enough due to the antics of Bobby Jindal, another GOP presidential candidate. It shortchanges our children out of an education they’ll need to survive in our science- and technology-based society.
I also know that the vast majority of creationists have very basic misunderstandings about evolution, the Big Bang, and science in general; I addressed this in depth when I wrote my article “Answers for Creationists.” I tried very hard to be polite in that post, given I was dealing on a personal level with people’s personal beliefs.
I take a different stance when it’s a politician who espouses these views, especially when he’s running for the highest office in America. If someone wants to run this country, then he better show that he has a solid grasp on reality. Dismissing and actively denigrating strongly understood science—whether it’s astronomy, biology, or climatology—is at the very least cause to dump him.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
agreed...
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
agreed...
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
Would the right wing conservative Americans that the original post referred to pick David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
agreed...
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
Would the right wing conservative Americans that the original post referred to pick David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
agreed...
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
Would the right wing conservative Americans that the original post referred to pick David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?
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Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
agreed...
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
Would the right wing conservative Americans that the original post referred to pick David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?
funny how the republicans have turned on the pope.
They would actually be the group screaming in favor of the crucifixion of Jesus. Funny how they have literally become the modern day Pharisees...
social conservatives sure care a lot about what other people are doing...and they sure believe that EVERYTHING in the world has more control over their kids behavior than they do...I guess if you, yourself, can't behave with any semblance of consistency how on earth can you trust your kids to behave when you are their model?
Left Van Halen show last night and fundies peached to exiting concert growers. Really sad but thought same thing, aren't you judging.
Oh Diamond Dave needs to retire. Horrible
Sammy can still sing. DLR's voice isn't the same it used to be. Fuck EVH and his ego that destroyed the band.
agreed...
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
Would the right wing conservative Americans that the original post referred to pick David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?
i have seen teenagers with bullet riddled bodies on trauma call. the doctor i work with removes bullets and fragments from kids' joints. we had a kid on the table for 5 hours 3 weeks ago. could not get the bullet out with the arthroscope and it was too deep and too posterior to risk large incision.
seeing a kid shot up will definitely make the most staunch pro gun person think about stiffer gun laws.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Now Carson is saying guns would have worked for the Jews during the Holocaust. FFS, even a movie has proven that he's wrong. Remember Valkyrie with Tom Cruise? It wasn't a happy ending in real life.
Now Carson is saying guns would have worked for the Jews during the Holocaust. FFS, even a movie has proven that he's wrong. Remember Valkyrie with Tom Cruise? It wasn't a happy ending in real life.
He's not the only one who says this, but yes, they're all wrong.
This article gives more info on this theory which fits neither the actual timeline of gun legislation in that region nor the reality of what the Jews were facing at the time.
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Eddie was tight,but W/o Mike Anthony something just missing
And rr said Dave rocked when he recently saw them. Dude's probably got his off nights at this point.
And Cruz is our Ayatollah. .
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/world/rouhani-republicans-iran-amanpour/index.html
Hope things are well with you too.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/24/ben_carson_anti_science.html
At one point in time, GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson may have been best known as an excellent, even groundbreaking, neurosurgeon. In recent years, though, he’s done everything he can to throw that reputation away.
Phil Plait Phil Plait
Phil Plait writes Slate’s Bad Astronomy blog and is an astronomer, public speaker, science evangelizer, and author of Death From the Skies!
It won’t surprise regular readers to know I disagree with him on, well, almost everything. But recently he’s starting to get more heat about his religious views. He’s an outspoken creationist.
This actually goes way back. In 2006 he clearly stated his anti-evolutionary views and has repeated these claims many times since. In 2012 there was controversy over this when he was asked to give the commencement address at Emory University. In 2004 he said that people who accept evolution “dismiss ethics,” a comment he later backed down on a very tiny little bit (later saying they “might have more difficulty deriving where their ethics come from”).
I’d heard about all this before, but an article at BuzzFeed has something I hadn’t heard: In 2012, in a speech at an event called “Celebration of Creation,” he said that Darwin came up with evolutionary theory because the devil made him do it.
I mean that literally. He said, “I personally believe that this theory that Darwin came up with was something that was encouraged by the adversary.” The Adversary is a nickname for the devil; it’s the actual translation of the word “Satan.” So there’s that.
He also dismissed the Big Bang, calling it a “fairy tale.” The irony of this is palpable. When recently called on this claim, he dug in, saying (about people who think the Big Bang is true), “Here’s the key, I then say to them look, ‘I’m not gonna criticize you, you have a lot more faith then I have.’ I couldn’t, I don’t have enough faith to believe that.”
Wow. Where to start?
OK, how about this: The Big Bang is not something you believe in. It’s a scientific model, supported by a truly vast amount of evidence. It doesn’t take faith, it takes science (and, despite Carson’s claims, science is not faith-based).
Creationists who dismiss the Big Bang usually do so because they think the Earth is young, 6,000–10,000 years old. This belief is, to put it simply, wrong. We know the Earth is more than 4.5 billion years old, give or take a few million years. The evidence for this is overwhelming.
We also know the Universe itself is old; a huge number of independent lines of evidence make this clear. It doesn’t take faith to think the Big Bang is true, it takes a profound dismissal of all of science to think it isn’t.
Which brings us to evolution. Young Earth Creationists dismiss this as well due to the age issues, as well as others (for example, the Bible stating that God created Adam fully formed and in his image).
But evolution is a fact. Like the Big Bang, the evidence for it is overwhelming (it’s even been observed).
It bothers me greatly when a presidential candidate is so cavalier in dismissing facts. That’s a route we’ve been down before, and it leads to Very Bad Things.
As for Carson’s statement on ethics, well, humans were ethical long before monotheism came around. His claim that people who accept evolution is true might have difficulty with ethics is profoundly insulting to scientists.
The almost unutterable irony here is how Carson dismisses this all, talking about “high-faluting” scientists. But he was a neurosurgeon. His entire career owes its existence to science, yet he tosses out the men and women over the past few centuries whose expertise allowed him to benefit so greatly from his practice.
I know a lot of the Republican base is very religious, and they have every right to be. But fundamentalism is dangerous; it promotes clearly erroneous claims while simultaneously encouraging people to legislate those beliefs. We’ve seen what happens there; fittingly enough due to the antics of Bobby Jindal, another GOP presidential candidate. It shortchanges our children out of an education they’ll need to survive in our science- and technology-based society.
I also know that the vast majority of creationists have very basic misunderstandings about evolution, the Big Bang, and science in general; I addressed this in depth when I wrote my article “Answers for Creationists.” I tried very hard to be polite in that post, given I was dealing on a personal level with people’s personal beliefs.
I take a different stance when it’s a politician who espouses these views, especially when he’s running for the highest office in America. If someone wants to run this country, then he better show that he has a solid grasp on reality. Dismissing and actively denigrating strongly understood science—whether it’s astronomy, biology, or climatology—is at the very least cause to dump him.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I saw VH a few years ago and thought it was well worth it.
I would say that DLR wasn't his best on the singing end and also as a frontman. He was kind of annoying but the overall show was good. I did miss Michael Anthony, it's really sad they couldn't keep it together.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Godfather.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/ben-carson-body-with-bullet-holes-preferable-to-gun-control-20151006
i have seen teenagers with bullet riddled bodies on trauma call. the doctor i work with removes bullets and fragments from kids' joints. we had a kid on the table for 5 hours 3 weeks ago. could not get the bullet out with the arthroscope and it was too deep and too posterior to risk large incision.
seeing a kid shot up will definitely make the most staunch pro gun person think about stiffer gun laws.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What a total douche.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
This article gives more info on this theory which fits neither the actual timeline of gun legislation in that region nor the reality of what the Jews were facing at the time.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/09/in_it_to_godwin_it_ben_carson_just_cant_stop_talking_about_hitler_for_some_reason/
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana