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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    I have no idea what you're talking about, so sure do wish you'd post an article or something.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,555
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    It's all over the news.
    Not going to publish any articles on here but anyone on this train I am sure is aware of what that child has now become.
    A laughing stock.
    Fuck you Charlie.

    Wait is this related to the child who drowned and washed ashore ?
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Some say it is a satirical jab at Europe's indifference to the plight of the refugees. I find that hard to believe given their history, however the alternative explanation is stunning.

    Regardless of intent... the cartoon is of exceptional poor taste and indefensible.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    "Irreverent and stridently non-conformist in tone, the publication describes itself as above all secular and atheist, far-left-wing, and anti-racist".

    Coulda fooled me.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I agree in that I don't believe in censorship. I wear my "I read banned books" pin every now and then. Like Carlin argues, any subject can be used in humor. Etc. The thing about pushing the boundaries is, it's generally worth considering/recognizing the dangers or consequences of doing so.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure people were saying absolute freedom of the press as much as they were saying don't shoot people that offend you with classless cartoons.

    A dead child is not comic or joke material under any circumstances and their recent depiction offends nearly everyone... but we don't kill them for producing it.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure people were saying absolute freedom of the press as much as they were saying don't shoot people that offend you with classless cartoons.

    A dead child is not comic or joke material under any circumstances and their recent depiction offends nearly everyone... but we don't kill them for producing it.
    Carlin made jokes about rape but at the same time you knew he really speaking out against it and honoring women. What Hebdo did was not at all the same. They just think is cute to push the boundaries for the sake of doing it. Reminds me of a bratty kid wanting negative attention. Don't give it to them.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    edited September 2015
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure people were saying absolute freedom of the press as much as they were saying don't shoot people that offend you with classless cartoons.

    A dead child is not comic or joke material under any circumstances and their recent depiction offends nearly everyone... but we don't kill them for producing it.
    that was my takeaway back then. They were free to draw whatever they wished. My stance was it was offensive then and just because you CAN do/say something doesnt mean you should. That didnt seem to fly very well here with most.

    So either they can say whatever the fuck they want or they cant.

    The other argument is , the actaul picture was used in how many ways to do what? Oh yeah, highlight and shame europe into better action.

    Guess what, its the same thing. VERY biting commentary on Europe and US too for that matter.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mickeyrat said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure people were saying absolute freedom of the press as much as they were saying don't shoot people that offend you with classless cartoons.

    A dead child is not comic or joke material under any circumstances and their recent depiction offends nearly everyone... but we don't kill them for producing it.
    that was my takeaway back then. They were free to draw whatever they wished. My stance was it was offensive then and just because you CAN do/say something doesnt mean you should. That didnt seem to fly very well here with most.

    So either they can say whatever the fuck they want or they cant.

    The other argument is , the actaul picture was used in how many ways to do what? Oh yeah, highlight and shame europe into better action.

    Guess what, its the same thing. VERY biting commentary on Europe and US too for that matter.
    So does your stance remain the same? And are you saying the cartoon has achieved its purpose?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure people were saying absolute freedom of the press as much as they were saying don't shoot people that offend you with classless cartoons.

    A dead child is not comic or joke material under any circumstances and their recent depiction offends nearly everyone... but we don't kill them for producing it.
    that was my takeaway back then. They were free to draw whatever they wished. My stance was it was offensive then and just because you CAN do/say something doesnt mean you should. That didnt seem to fly very well here with most.

    So either they can say whatever the fuck they want or they cant.

    The other argument is , the actaul picture was used in how many ways to do what? Oh yeah, highlight and shame europe into better action.

    Guess what, its the same thing. VERY biting commentary on Europe and US too for that matter.
    So does your stance remain the same? And are you saying the cartoon has achieved its purpose?
    my belief is that they shouldnt have done it then(nor been killed regardless) or now. There IS a line where just because you can doesnt mean you should.

    Most here came to the defense of their absolute right to mock islam and whatever else they saw fit to target.

    I find it offensive when the death of children is paraded around and used for political or whatever purpose.

    But here on the train it was cool and right of them to go after islam and other religions. but now when they use a depiction of a widely disseminated image coupled with a scathing commentary on eurpoean respons, its suddenly wrong?

    Were you as outraged at how often and widely the REAL picture was used?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    brianlux said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I agree in that I don't believe in censorship. I wear my "I read banned books" pin every now and then. Like Carlin argues, any subject can be used in humor. Etc. The thing about pushing the boundaries is, it's generally worth considering/recognizing the dangers or consequences of doing so.
    Exacly. They need to own the decision they made. I didnt condone the killing nor the cartoon originally, but once the line was drawn, those two spoke in their way.

    with this cartoon though, they are using a widely dissemiated social media shared , news report shown image well after the fact to impart the hypocracy of democracy and europe.

    If it was cool then , its cool now.

    I disgaree with both decisions. there is a better way.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mickeyrat said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Oh no no no no, absolute freedom of the press and free speech no matter how it affects people or a particular group. EVERYTHING is on table for these guys . Remember?

    I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure people were saying absolute freedom of the press as much as they were saying don't shoot people that offend you with classless cartoons.

    A dead child is not comic or joke material under any circumstances and their recent depiction offends nearly everyone... but we don't kill them for producing it.
    that was my takeaway back then. They were free to draw whatever they wished. My stance was it was offensive then and just because you CAN do/say something doesnt mean you should. That didnt seem to fly very well here with most.

    So either they can say whatever the fuck they want or they cant.

    The other argument is , the actaul picture was used in how many ways to do what? Oh yeah, highlight and shame europe into better action.

    Guess what, its the same thing. VERY biting commentary on Europe and US too for that matter.
    So does your stance remain the same? And are you saying the cartoon has achieved its purpose?
    my belief is that they shouldnt have done it then(nor been killed regardless) or now. There IS a line where just because you can doesnt mean you should.

    Most here came to the defense of their absolute right to mock islam and whatever else they saw fit to target.

    I find it offensive when the death of children is paraded around and used for political or whatever purpose.

    But here on the train it was cool and right of them to go after islam and other religions. but now when they use a depiction of a widely disseminated image coupled with a scathing commentary on eurpoean respons, its suddenly wrong?

    Were you as outraged at how often and widely the REAL picture was used?
    I felt the real image was powerful and had the potential to spark changes in attitude and policy.

    It's kind of like the video the wildlife defence organization released of the grizzly getting killed. People read of 800 grizzlies killed per year in BC, but I'm not so sure they stop to think exactly what that means until they see a bear in its worst moment.

    They definitely cross lines. I find their depictions classless. I found this one particularly classless.
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-mocks-europes-response-to-migrant-crisis-with-cartoons-of-dead-syrian-boy.html?_r=0

    Just contributing for those that don't read French. I have no comment to share.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I agree with cal,We cannot have censorship no matter how distasteful.This is the by product of that freedom.
    If offended people should not patronize the paper.Pretty Simple,or hit back with an op Ed piece.

    I think this is mostly a biased writer/cartoonist who was part of the violence of the day of the shooting and probably is trying to push his predujices thru his work.Tasteless as it may be.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited September 2015
    Bentleyspop said:

    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/

    I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does.
    PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/

    I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does.
    PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
    You wouldn't criticize it as being distasteful?
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Ya, I am Charlie. More like hypocrisy

    http://anonhq.com/charlie-hebdo-fired-anti-semitic-cartoonist-ridiculing-judaism-2009/
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    can't wait to see all the american celebrity I Am Charlie t shirts in the used bin.
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Here something distasteful that I've seen around Boston lately.

    image
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance Posts: 23,308
    dankind said:

    Here something distasteful that I've seen around Boston lately.

    image

    Oh my.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/

    I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does.
    PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
    You wouldn't criticize it as being distasteful?
    I don't see its distastefulness as relevant. My first reaction was that they're quite apt.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/

    I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does.
    PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
    really pisses you off? that's a pretty silly reaction to have
    Yes. I learnt' that I am right that people do crazy fucked up things in the name of religion.

    Not sure if you are just posting for the sake of peppering a thread or you are just trying to play advocate. If you feel that strongly about not criticizing this issue, freedom of speech, blah, blah, why don't you print a copy of that cartoon and post it at your work and say that to people who criticize the poster. I believe 100% that you would not put your actions to match your above words. I believe that you are being a little hypocritical.
    I believe that the posted above thoughts by you as much as I believe you saw a floating ufo the size of a football field over your head.

    You may call yourself pjsoul but I am quite certain that the soul of PJ is not to be daft on issues like this. If anything if you have no issue criticizing this issue it seems that your soul is troubled.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/

    I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does.
    PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
    really pisses you off? that's a pretty silly reaction to have
    Yes. I learnt' that I am right that people do crazy fucked up things in the name of religion.

    Not sure if you are just posting for the sake of peppering a thread or you are just trying to play advocate. If you feel that strongly about not criticizing this issue, freedom of speech, blah, blah, why don't you print a copy of that cartoon and post it at your work and say that to people who criticize the poster. I believe 100% that you would not put your actions to match your above words. I believe that you are being a little hypocritical.
    I believe that the posted above thoughts by you as much as I believe you saw a floating ufo the size of a football field over your head.

    You may call yourself pjsoul but I am quite certain that the soul of PJ is not to be daft on issues like this. If anything if you have no issue criticizing this issue it seems that your soul is troubled.

    agreeing with and distributing a publication is WAY different than not criticizing it.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited September 2015
    ^^^^^^
    Agreed.
    Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^^^^
    Agreed.
    Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.

    that would be pretty strange behavior.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Charlie Hebdo Comes Under Fire for Publishing Controversial Refugee Cartoon | TIME
    http://time.com/4035344/charlie-hebdo-kurdi-cartoon/

    I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does.
    PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
    really pisses you off? that's a pretty silly reaction to have
    Yes. I learnt' that I am right that people do crazy fucked up things in the name of religion.

    Not sure if you are just posting for the sake of peppering a thread or you are just trying to play advocate. If you feel that strongly about not criticizing this issue, freedom of speech, blah, blah, why don't you print a copy of that cartoon and post it at your work and say that to people who criticize the poster. I believe 100% that you would not put your actions to match your above words. I believe that you are being a little hypocritical.
    I believe that the posted above thoughts by you as much as I believe you saw a floating ufo the size of a football field over your head.

    You may call yourself pjsoul but I am quite certain that the soul of PJ is not to be daft on issues like this. If anything if you have no issue criticizing this issue it seems that your soul is troubled.

    PJSoul can obviously speak for herself, but this was out of line.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^^^^
    Agreed.
    Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.

    that would be pretty strange behavior.

    For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^^^^
    Agreed.
    Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.

    that would be pretty strange behavior.

    For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
    free society is free society. no grey area. why is religion open season but other things are not? that's the whole point.

    I think it can go either way. it's a commentary on how dire the situation is and how so many nations have turned their backs on the refugee crisis.

    like it or not, provocative gets attention.

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