^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
free society is free society. no grey area. why is religion open season but other things are not? that's the whole point.
I think it can go either way. it's a commentary on how dire the situation is and how so many nations have turned their backs on the refugee crisis.
like it or not, provocative gets attention.
It sure does. And again I say that not finding it provocative and to actually get pissed at others for criticizing it is pretty weird. It is supposed to elicit this attention it's currently getting.
edit -Religion is open season because its a fairy tale. A dead human child is real. - not for mocking.
They can print whatever they want. I don't have to like it, you don't have to like it....but they have every right to print it.
I find it sad that someone is more upset over this cartoon than the actual refugee crisis.
Of course they have every right to print it. But they should not in any way be surprised at the reaction to this. The refugee crisis is still ongoing and probably will never end. The lost life of that child brought more attention to it the shameful twisted mockery of it serves no purpose. Fuck Charlie.
^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
free society is free society. no grey area. why is religion open season but other things are not? that's the whole point.
I think it can go either way. it's a commentary on how dire the situation is and how so many nations have turned their backs on the refugee crisis.
like it or not, provocative gets attention.
It sure does. And again I say that not finding it provocative and to actually get pissed at others for criticizing it is pretty weird. It is supposed to elicit this attention it's currently getting.
edit -Religion is open season because its a fairy tale. A dead human child is real. - not for mocking.
you can't have it both ways, though. either everything is open season or none of it is. there is no such thing as selective freedom. just because you/I don't believe in god, doesn't mean it isn't real to others. some hold it dearer to them than their own children. true.
^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
free society is free society. no grey area. why is religion open season but other things are not? that's the whole point.
I think it can go either way. it's a commentary on how dire the situation is and how so many nations have turned their backs on the refugee crisis.
like it or not, provocative gets attention.
It sure does. And again I say that not finding it provocative and to actually get pissed at others for criticizing it is pretty weird. It is supposed to elicit this attention it's currently getting.
edit -Religion is open season because its a fairy tale. A dead human child is real. - not for mocking.
you can't have it both ways, though. either everything is open season or none of it is. there is no such thing as selective freedom. just because you/I don't believe in god, doesn't mean it isn't real to others. some hold it dearer to them than their own children. true.
^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
free society is free society. no grey area. why is religion open season but other things are not? that's the whole point.
I think it can go either way. it's a commentary on how dire the situation is and how so many nations have turned their backs on the refugee crisis.
like it or not, provocative gets attention.
It sure does. And again I say that not finding it provocative and to actually get pissed at others for criticizing it is pretty weird. It is supposed to elicit this attention it's currently getting.
edit -Religion is open season because its a fairy tale. A dead human child is real. - not for mocking.
and it's not weird at all. I don't want to put words in her mouth, but I gather she gives more weight to the freedom of printing something than what is actually printed itself, which I get.
and she didn't say she didn't find it provocative. those are your words. she said it was apt. which I can see why people would think so.
^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
free society is free society. no grey area. why is religion open season but other things are not? that's the whole point.
I think it can go either way. it's a commentary on how dire the situation is and how so many nations have turned their backs on the refugee crisis.
like it or not, provocative gets attention.
It sure does. And again I say that not finding it provocative and to actually get pissed at others for criticizing it is pretty weird. It is supposed to elicit this attention it's currently getting.
edit -Religion is open season because its a fairy tale. A dead human child is real. - not for mocking.
and it's not weird at all. I don't want to put words in her mouth, but I gather she gives more weight to the freedom of printing something than what is actually printed itself, which I get.
and she didn't say she didn't find it provocative. those are your words. she said it was apt. which I can see why people would think so.
I am not against the freedom to print, blah, blah It was called apt later on. Which is a wrong assessment. Saying that it pisses you off because people criticize it? - trying to wrap my head around that statement. And I still believe these "apt" cartoons are not safe for work.
I support freedom of expression and freedom of speech. I have absolutely NO interest in criticizing this, and it really pisses me off that anyone else does. PJfan, didn't you learn anything at all when Charlie Hebdo was murdered??
really pisses you off? that's a pretty silly reaction to have Yes. I learnt' that I am right that people do crazy fucked up things in the name of religion.
Not sure if you are just posting for the sake of peppering a thread or you are just trying to play advocate. If you feel that strongly about not criticizing this issue, freedom of speech, blah, blah, why don't you print a copy of that cartoon and post it at your work and say that to people who criticize the poster. I believe 100% that you would not put your actions to match your above words. I believe that you are being a little hypocritical. I believe that the posted above thoughts by you as much as I believe you saw a floating ufo the size of a football field over your head.
You may call yourself pjsoul but I am quite certain that the soul of PJ is not to be daft on issues like this. If anything if you have no issue criticizing this issue it seems that your soul is troubled.
There are a lot of assumptions being made here. For one, I would NEVER just post for the sake of "peppering a thread". I don't even know why you'd consider that. And yeah, it pisses me off. I'm not frothing at the mouth or anything. It just pisses me off. Just like a lot of things do. Like pro-lifers do. And Kim Davis. And any number of things that bother me. Also, you don't know me at all, and have NO idea what I would and wouldn't do. And just so you know, I would absolutely post those cartoons at work without fear of anything. I work at a university and my employer values freedom of speech and expression fully. That said, I don't feel strongly enough about the point the cartoons are making to post it. It has nothing to do with being hypocritical. It's just that I'm not about to hang something up on my wall just to prove something to you. I put things up that really mean something to me and that I want to look at daily, and these cartoons don't qualify. But if they did, no problem. I'd cover my entire tack board with Hebdo cartoons if I felt strongly about them. At any rate, what is hypocritical?? I'm not even sure what you mean by that, given what I said.
As for your last sentence.... it makes no sense.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
I don't feel like it's meant to be funny.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
^^^^^^ Agreed. Nonetheless you could still post the cartoon at your office without saying a word except when people criticize it then tell people that it pisses you off for them doing so.
that would be pretty strange behavior.
For anyone not to say something negative about this latest publication is kind of going against the grain wouldn't you say? This latest cartoon is not about religion which is open season for mocking it's now crossed over into turning a parents dead child into comedy in some minds. Disturbing at the intent of the cartoon. Even more disturbing are the people with neutral opinions on this.
I don't feel like it's meant to be funny.
Of course it's not meant to be funny. In some peoples minds this is dark humour. Why does people criticizing this piss you off so much?
This still doesn't explain why it pisses you off that people criticize the latest Charlie cartoon.
Because it's making a good point, and I find emotional, knee-jerk reactions because of non-PC-ness or a lack of "appropriateness" in the face of art VERY annoying, and because I assume criticizing it generally equates to thinking it shouldn't exist, which to me amounts to the suggestion of censorship.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What points are they trying to capture with this latest "art"? It's not knee-jerk reactions because the opinions about this issue will still be the same forever. Criticizing art is what you are supposed to do.
What points are they trying to capture with this latest "art"? It's not knee-jerk reactions because the opinions about this issue will still be the same forever. Criticizing art is what you are supposed to do.
Fuck Charlie
It's not criticism that bothers me per se. It's the inference of censorship that bothers me. Btw, I have no attachment to Charlie Hebdo or the mag specifically. I just suppprt their work. Sure, fuck Charlie. I don't care.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What points are they trying to capture with this latest "art"? It's not knee-jerk reactions because the opinions about this issue will still be the same forever. Criticizing art is what you are supposed to do.
Fuck Charlie
It's not criticism that bothers me per se. It's the inference of censorship that bothers me. Btw, I have no attachment to Charlie Hebdo or the mag specifically. I just suppprt their work. Sure, fuck Charlie. I don't care.
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What points are they trying to capture with this latest "art"? It's not knee-jerk reactions because the opinions about this issue will still be the same forever. Criticizing art is what you are supposed to do.
Fuck Charlie
It's not criticism that bothers me per se. It's the inference of censorship that bothers me. Btw, I have no attachment to Charlie Hebdo or the mag specifically. I just suppprt their work. Sure, fuck Charlie. I don't care.
Until its back to religion.
What do you mean?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What points are they trying to capture with this latest "art"? It's not knee-jerk reactions because the opinions about this issue will still be the same forever. Criticizing art is what you are supposed to do.
Fuck Charlie
It's not criticism that bothers me per se. It's the inference of censorship that bothers me. Btw, I have no attachment to Charlie Hebdo or the mag specifically. I just suppprt their work. Sure, fuck Charlie. I don't care.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
^^^^ I will always be on board with satirical comments, videos, cartoon, media and any other source that depicts religion as laughable. In the real world I like to debate knowns.
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I did read the cartoons in the link you posted BB. I had no argument because nothing is funnier than two religions fighting each other as depicted in the cartoons.
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I did read the cartoons in the link you posted BB. I had no argument because nothing is funnier than two religions fighting each other as depicted in the cartoons.
so really his point is he doesnt really give a fuck about free speech.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I did read the cartoons in the link you posted BB. I had no argument because nothing is funnier than two religions fighting each other as depicted in the cartoons.
so really his point is he doesnt really give a fuck about free speech.
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I was driving. So my take is "they" are special. Gods chosen and all and there is still collective guilt over a horrific happenstance 70 yrs ago.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I already said this to you, but yeah, that's jerky. What else can I say? I consider it all a free for all. I don't agree that Jews should get some kind of special exemption over other religious groups in any scenario. If the magazine has a bias like that, or if Charlie Hebdo personally had a bias like that, then that's lame, though it doesn't affect my feelings about the cartoons that they do publish. But whenever anyone who publishes anything has a bias, it's good information to keep in mind.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I did read the cartoons in the link you posted BB. I had no argument because nothing is funnier than two religions fighting each other as depicted in the cartoons.
so really his point is he doesnt really give a fuck about free speech.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So I take it none of you read what I posted because it was about religion. Yet none of you are making a remark about it. Why? Is it not relevant? I'm curious
I did read the cartoons in the link you posted BB. I had no argument because nothing is funnier than two religions fighting each other as depicted in the cartoons.
so really his point is he doesnt really give a fuck about free speech.
BBs or Charlies?
god damn you are dense.
little late to the conversation what would you like to add on top of what you just said?
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And again I say that not finding it provocative and to actually get pissed at others for criticizing it is pretty weird. It is supposed to elicit this attention it's currently getting.
edit -Religion is open season because its a fairy tale. A dead human child is real. - not for mocking.
I find it sad that someone is more upset over this cartoon than the actual refugee crisis.
But they should not in any way be surprised at the reaction to this.
The refugee crisis is still ongoing and probably will never end. The lost life of that child brought more attention to it the shameful twisted mockery of it serves no purpose.
Fuck Charlie.
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and she didn't say she didn't find it provocative. those are your words. she said it was apt. which I can see why people would think so.
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It was called apt later on. Which is a wrong assessment.
Saying that it pisses you off because people criticize it? - trying to wrap my head around that statement.
And I still believe these "apt" cartoons are not safe for work.
And yeah, it pisses me off. I'm not frothing at the mouth or anything. It just pisses me off. Just like a lot of things do. Like pro-lifers do. And Kim Davis. And any number of things that bother me.
Also, you don't know me at all, and have NO idea what I would and wouldn't do. And just so you know, I would absolutely post those cartoons at work without fear of anything. I work at a university and my employer values freedom of speech and expression fully. That said, I don't feel strongly enough about the point the cartoons are making to post it. It has nothing to do with being hypocritical. It's just that I'm not about to hang something up on my wall just to prove something to you. I put things up that really mean something to me and that I want to look at daily, and these cartoons don't qualify. But if they did, no problem. I'd cover my entire tack board with Hebdo cartoons if I felt strongly about them. At any rate, what is hypocritical?? I'm not even sure what you mean by that, given what I said.
As for your last sentence.... it makes no sense.
Why does people criticizing this piss you off so much?
It's not knee-jerk reactions because the opinions about this issue will still be the same forever.
Criticizing art is what you are supposed to do.
Fuck Charlie
Btw, I have no attachment to Charlie Hebdo or the mag specifically. I just suppprt their work. Sure, fuck Charlie. I don't care.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I will always be on board with satirical comments, videos, cartoon, media and any other source that depicts religion as laughable.
In the real world I like to debate knowns.
www.headstonesband.com
I had no argument because nothing is funnier than two religions fighting each other as depicted in the cartoons.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
what would you like to add on top of what you just said?