Trophy Hunting

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

g under p said:

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old;
here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

I'm curious when you say baiting an animal, what does that mean.....what are you doing?

Peace

I'm no hunter, but I think it means putting out bait to draw animals in, rather than actually going out and finding/stalking them. In this context would suggest less skill is involved.

That would be correct. I m not a fan of this at all.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I have no issue with 9 year olds hunting.

I just have an issue with trophy hunting. It is a rare person that shoots bears for food. Other mammals and birds make for much better eating. It is the norm that people shoot bears for a nice rug on their floor.

Secondly... this is a birthday party. In my opinion, this is a demented way to celebrate a 9 year olds' birthday. Killing stuff must be a big ticket item in that household for that event to take center stage.

When I was young, I begged my dad for us to go shoot a bear. He rebuffed my efforts every time explaining that a bear was something we could not kill because it couldn't offer us anything (with regards to our deep freeze). I wanted a rug badly and never understood- being about the same age as this kid. I got it eventually and I'm so glad dad had ethics.

Again... it just seems callous. And the grizzly hunters still piss me off. You just hope karma is a real thing.

hedonist

Thirty, I didn't grow up with any kind of hunting but your post reminds me of when I was a kid and how all of my aunts had fur coats. Remember visiting them in NY and while the weather dictated the need, I think it was also part of its era and culture, of demonstrating wealth too - their having come to the US with virtually nothing.

My dad never bought one for my mom; not sure if an ethical or financial decision. My stepdad has gotten her a couple (ridiculous for living in LA, among other reasons). She made a point of saying my sister and I will eventually get them. I don't want 'em!

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I have no issue with 9 year olds hunting.

I just have an issue with trophy hunting. It is a rare person that shoots bears for food. Other mammals and birds make for much better eating. It is the norm that people shoot bears for a nice rug on their floor.

Secondly... this is a birthday party. In my opinion, this is a demented way to celebrate a 9 year olds' birthday. Killing stuff must be a big ticket item in that household for that event to take center stage.

When I was young, I begged my dad for us to go shoot a bear. He rebuffed my efforts every time explaining that a bear was something we could not kill because it couldn't offer us anything (with regards to our deep freeze). I wanted a rug badly and never understood- being about the same age as this kid. I got it eventually and I'm so glad dad had ethics.

Again... it just seems callous. And the grizzly hunters still piss me off. You just hope karma is a real thing.

I have issues with trophy hunting too. It s so damn egotistical.
By the way, I like how your dad thinks. My dad was the same way.

pdalowsky

Ai

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old; here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

wait? They were planning to eat the bear?

It's the kids reaction I found appalling ... He couldn't have given two fucks if it was dinner or not. He enjoyed the kill. He enjoyed the entertainment. Again my small brain just cannot comprehend that

What 9 year old needs to learn to hunt ? 9 year olds surely should be enjoying the innocence of childhood. Perhaps it's a geographical thing, hunting is just not that popular out here

mcgruff10

pdalowsky said:

Ai

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old; here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

wait? They were planning to eat the bear?

It's the kids reaction I found appalling ... He couldn't have given two fucks if it was dinner or not. He enjoyed the kill. He enjoyed the entertainment. Again my small brain just cannot comprehend that

What 9 year old needs to learn to hunt ? 9 year olds surely should be enjoying the innocence of childhood. Perhaps it's a geographical thing, hunting is just not that popular out here

yeah you can eat bear. I've had it once and it's ok...i'd rather just go for a nice ny strip though.

the kid did enjoy the kill but you have to realize that hunting is a huge part of the culture in a lot of canada and the u.s.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

My money says these people were not shooting the bear to eat it.

The people I know that eat bear use the meat for stewing, ground meat, or jerkey. It's not exactly a choice protein source- especially the bears that make their living in the land fills.

Much of the animal is discarded.

pdalowsky

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Ai

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old; here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

wait? They were planning to eat the bear?

It's the kids reaction I found appalling ... He couldn't have given two fucks if it was dinner or not. He enjoyed the kill. He enjoyed the entertainment. Again my small brain just cannot comprehend that

What 9 year old needs to learn to hunt ? 9 year olds surely should be enjoying the innocence of childhood. Perhaps it's a geographical thing, hunting is just not that popular out here

yeah you can eat bear. I've had it once and it's ok...i'd rather just go for a nice ny strip though.

the kid did enjoy the kill but you have to realize that hunting is a huge part of the culture in a lot of canada and the u.s.

Oh I understand what you are saying Mike, but at the same time I will never understand what you are saying. To enjoy killing something for fun, is absolutely fucked up in my opinion. Nothing will ever sway that.

mcgruff10

pdalowsky said:

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Ai

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old; here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

wait? They were planning to eat the bear?

It's the kids reaction I found appalling ... He couldn't have given two fucks if it was dinner or not. He enjoyed the kill. He enjoyed the entertainment. Again my small brain just cannot comprehend that

What 9 year old needs to learn to hunt ? 9 year olds surely should be enjoying the innocence of childhood. Perhaps it's a geographical thing, hunting is just not that popular out here

yeah you can eat bear. I've had it once and it's ok...i'd rather just go for a nice ny strip though.

the kid did enjoy the kill but you have to realize that hunting is a huge part of the culture in a lot of canada and the u.s.

Oh I understand what you are saying Mike, but at the same time I will never understand what you are saying. To enjoy killing something for fun, is absolutely fucked up in my opinion. Nothing will ever sway that.

lol, got ya. yeah hunting is one of those subjects where you are either for it or against it....not many people lie in the middle.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Ai

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old; here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

wait? They were planning to eat the bear?

It's the kids reaction I found appalling ... He couldn't have given two fucks if it was dinner or not. He enjoyed the kill. He enjoyed the entertainment. Again my small brain just cannot comprehend that

What 9 year old needs to learn to hunt ? 9 year olds surely should be enjoying the innocence of childhood. Perhaps it's a geographical thing, hunting is just not that popular out here

yeah you can eat bear. I've had it once and it's ok...i'd rather just go for a nice ny strip though.

the kid did enjoy the kill but you have to realize that hunting is a huge part of the culture in a lot of canada and the u.s.

Oh I understand what you are saying Mike, but at the same time I will never understand what you are saying. To enjoy killing something for fun, is absolutely fucked up in my opinion. Nothing will ever sway that.

lol, got ya. yeah hunting is one of those subjects where you are either for it or against it....not many people lie in the middle.

I am pretty much in the middle. I don't hunt, but I understand the reason people do. I don't get upset over ethically guided hunting but the story of this thread really pisses me off.

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Ai

mcgruff10 said:

pdalowsky said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We are losing our minds.

In Alberta... a dad is raising a child. At the child's 9th birthday party... the big event is shooting a bear. I think they lured it with cake. The dad, likely salivating and sporting a massive erection, is in full encouragement mode and eagerly instructs the boy- who is very eager himself- on how to kill the bear from their perch with his big gun.

The link obviously contains a brutal video:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-video-shows-bear-shot-6421130

Pretty normal stuff. I am thinking for the boy's 16th birthday... good 'ol dad will offer a drugged younger woman for the kid. I mean.. eventually you'd probably tire of killin' shit.

* The 9 year old is a better shot than the f**kwads with the grizzly.

FUCK, that is just absolutely fucking mindnumbingly disgusting. Teaching kids to enjoy killing ......tell me why these videos or newsfeeds always seem to feature Americans?

Pretty sure this kid was from alberta not the u.s. and the kid is 9 years old; here in nj you can get a hunting license at age 10.
although the video did show the kill and i'm definitely not for baiting animals it only took one shot as opposed to the assholes the op mentioned. baiting is more common than you think: 23 of 32 states allow baiting. bc and the yukon are the only areas that prohibit baiting in canada.

besides the baiting part I honestly don't say anything wrong with a 9 year old kid going hunting. to each their own. teach the kid to respect wildlife; kill only something you are going to use.

wait? They were planning to eat the bear?

It's the kids reaction I found appalling ... He couldn't have given two fucks if it was dinner or not. He enjoyed the kill. He enjoyed the entertainment. Again my small brain just cannot comprehend that

What 9 year old needs to learn to hunt ? 9 year olds surely should be enjoying the innocence of childhood. Perhaps it's a geographical thing, hunting is just not that popular out here

yeah you can eat bear. I've had it once and it's ok...i'd rather just go for a nice ny strip though.

the kid did enjoy the kill but you have to realize that hunting is a huge part of the culture in a lot of canada and the u.s.

Oh I understand what you are saying Mike, but at the same time I will never understand what you are saying. To enjoy killing something for fun, is absolutely fucked up in my opinion. Nothing will ever sway that.

lol, got ya. yeah hunting is one of those subjects where you are either for it or against it....not many people lie in the middle.

I am pretty much in the middle. I don't hunt, but I understand the reason people do. I don't get upset over ethically guided hunting but the story of this thread really pisses me off.

Well I stand corrected lol.

dignin

This is not a black and white subject. This is a great podcast

http://www.radiolab.org/story/rhino-hunter/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Clayton Stoner of the Anaheim Ducks faces charges for an illegal grizzly bear hunt- out of season and without a proper license.

Don't click on the link below to read if you do not wish to see the dumb f**k holding the bear's head while smiling like a dickhead.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nhl-player-clayton-stoner-faces-charges-for-grizzly-bear-hunt-1.3231806

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Ridiculous:

The B.C. government authorized 3,469 grizzly bear tags in 2015, up from 3,067 in 2014 but down from 3,786 in 2013. On average, hunters have killed about 270 grizzly bears in British Columbia every year since 2010. The province estimates there to be 15,000 grizzlies in British Columbia – about a quarter of the entire North American population.

But Chief Doug Neasloss, of the Kitasoo/Xai’xais First Nation, is skeptical of the government’s estimates, having worked as a bear-viewing guide for more than 14 years. “It’s certainly not 15,000. I would say it’s not even close to that.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/graphic-video-fuels-calls-to-end-grizzly-bear-hunt-in-bc/article26298947/

PJ_Soul

^^^ Yes, atrocious.

oftenreading

Trophy hunting for grizzlies has now been banned, though unfortunately too late to cancel the 2017 season.

Grizzly hunting for food apparently will still continue, though some say that will be very rare since most "food" kills are really disguised trophy kills. Anyone killing a grizzly for food will be required to surrender the hide, head and paws.

A great start in my books.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/grizzly-bear-trophy-hunt-to-be-banned-in-b-c-1.21876304

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

Trophy hunting for grizzlies has now been banned, though unfortunately too late to cancel the 2017 season.

Grizzly hunting for food apparently will still continue, though some say that will be very rare since most "food" kills are really disguised trophy kills. Anyone killing a grizzly for food will be required to surrender the hide, head and paws.

A great start in my books.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/grizzly-bear-trophy-hunt-to-be-banned-in-b-c-1.21876304

I have been following this and yes... I am so happy that we are not issuing licenses to go kill a grizzly bear, chop it up, and hang parts of it on your wall at home.

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

As a life long hunter the op s story makes me sick. These hunters are complete pieces of shit. They in no way represent what I ve witnessed in 27 years of hunting. It s always the vast minority of people that fuck it up for everyone else.

Same thoughts here.  Most hunters I know have a deep respect for the animals they harvest.  A good hunter studies shot placement and practices to improve their accuracy in order to mitigate suffering as much as is possible.  I understand the need for culling now and then, but this should not be how it is done.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Shitbirds:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/peta-ad-calls-for-deporting-undesirable-trophy-hunter-donald-trump-jr/ar-AAvzYNk?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

josevolution

I’d rather be with an animal than kill one !