Trophy Hunting

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Score one for the animals!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/big-game-hunter-gored-to-death-by-buffalo-moments-after-shooting-another-member-of-herd/ar-AAy2X4Q?li=AAggFp5&ocid=edgsp

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Score one for the animals!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/big-game-hunter-gored-to-death-by-buffalo-moments-after-shooting-another-member-of-herd/ar-AAy2X4Q?li=AAggFp5&ocid=edgsp

"Ms Kuhne Kleynhans added that the buffalo had been her brother-in-law’s favourite animal.

“He loved what he did,” she said. “He died doing what he loved.”

Good grief, what a crock!  He killed that which he loved? 

Karma!

my2hands

I fully support the right to arm bears 

brianlux

my2hands said:

I fully support the right to arm bears 

Me too!

I also support the right to bare arms.

unsung

Is this worse than cattle or hogs in a slaughterhouse?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Is this worse than cattle or hogs in a slaughterhouse?

Trophy versus food. It's worse (but factory farms and slaughterhouses aren't great either).

unsung

More humane over the lifetime?

Meltdown99

Anyone ever watch Life Below Zero?  I'll give the hunters on that show credit, they harvest and process their food from start to finish...they, unlike most of us know where there food comes from.

The hunting that I don't like are the hunters that bait for there prey...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

More humane over the lifetime?

Maybe not.

There's something to be said for shooting an animal so you can cut its head off and mount it on a wall (or slice its tail off and pose for a macabre picture- leering like a f**king pedophile).

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Meltdown99 said:

Anyone ever watch Life Below Zero?  I'll give the hunters on that show credit, they harvest and process their food from start to finish...they, unlike most of us know where there food comes from.

The hunting that I don't like are the hunters that bait for there prey...

Like the f**kwad that dragged a dead antelope behind their jeep to lure Cecil the Lion out of the reserve so they could shoot it?

I swear I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if I heard of these types of pricks suffering misfortune. Truth be told, the hint of a smile might betray what I think of them and how concerned I might be. 

Meltdown99

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Meltdown99 said:

Anyone ever watch Life Below Zero?  I'll give the hunters on that show credit, they harvest and process their food from start to finish...they, unlike most of us know where there food comes from.

The hunting that I don't like are the hunters that bait for there prey...

Like the f**kwad that dragged a dead antelope behind their jeep to lure Cecil the Lion out of the reserve so they could shoot it?

I swear I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if I heard of these types of pricks suffering misfortune. Truth be told, the hint of a smile might betray what I think of them and how concerned I might be. 

Yes, hunters here bait as well.  In the past I worked with hunters and they hunt bear and deer ... baiting should be illegal.  

PJPOWER

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Meltdown99 said:

Anyone ever watch Life Below Zero?  I'll give the hunters on that show credit, they harvest and process their food from start to finish...they, unlike most of us know where there food comes from.

The hunting that I don't like are the hunters that bait for there prey...

Like the f**kwad that dragged a dead antelope behind their jeep to lure Cecil the Lion out of the reserve so they could shoot it?

I swear I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if I heard of these types of pricks suffering misfortune. Truth be told, the hint of a smile might betray what I think of them and how concerned I might be. 

Yes, hunters here bait as well.  In the past I worked with hunters and they hunt bear and deer ... baiting should be illegal.  

Lol
https://youtu.be/1sWnMDcCMQY

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

More humane over the lifetime?

Maybe not.

There's something to be said for shooting an animal so you can cut its head off and mount it on a wall (or slice its tail off and pose for a macabre picture- leering like a f**king pedophile).

No disagreement from me.  I don't hunt, but if I did it would be to eat, not to show off.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

This psycho thanks the Lord for her good fortune: “Prayers for my once in a lifetime dream hunt came true today,” Ms Talley, 37, wrote. “Spotted this rare black giraffe bull and stalked him for quite awhile. I knew it was the one. He was over 18 years old, 4,000 lbs and was blessed to be able to get 2,000 lbs of meat from him.” 

She did it after posing for a selfie with the slain animal.

She also defended herself speaking to 'conservation through game management' (we can save animals by murdering them).

The 'celebrate diverse thought' (when defending poor thought) is catchy I guess: “I get that hunting is not for everyone. That’s what makes this world great is the differences. But to make threats to anyone because they don’t believe the way you do is completely unacceptable.” 

So, in other words, you don't have to like killing giraffes, but don't knock others that do.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/american-hunter-defends-black-giraffe-trophy-kill-after-images-posing-with-corpse-spark-outrage/ar-AAzwjPG?li=AAqARMz&ocid=edgsp

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

This psycho thanks the Lord for her good fortune: “Prayers for my once in a lifetime dream hunt came true today,” Ms Talley, 37, wrote. “Spotted this rare black giraffe bull and stalked him for quite awhile. I knew it was the one. He was over 18 years old, 4,000 lbs and was blessed to be able to get 2,000 lbs of meat from him.” 

She did it after posing for a selfie with the slain animal.

She also defended herself speaking to 'conservation through game management' (we can save animals by murdering them).

The 'celebrate diverse thought' (when defending poor thought) is catchy I guess: “I get that hunting is not for everyone. That’s what makes this world great is the differences. But to make threats to anyone because they don’t believe the way you do is completely unacceptable.” 

So, in other words, you don't have to like killing giraffes, but don't knock others that do.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/american-hunter-defends-black-giraffe-trophy-kill-after-images-posing-with-corpse-spark-outrage/ar-AAzwjPG?li=AAqARMz&ocid=edgsp

This is the kind of thinking that is ruining everything.

PJinIL

Sometimes I think humans should have open season to thin the herd, keep the species stronger and smarter. 

Not a hunter, but I understand there is a time and place for selective hunting. This giraffe hunt seems to fit that scenario...old bull had killed a couple younger bulls and couldn't breed anymore. The meat went to feed locals, and she paid a pretty penny for the hunt. As with anything, lots of people being pulled in polar extremes without really looking into the story. Disagree with the act of hunting, that's totally legit, but it's not some shady hunter on the loose or poaching.

PJ_Soul

PJinIL said:

Sometimes I think humans should have open season to thin the herd, keep the species stronger and smarter. 

Not a hunter, but I understand there is a time and place for selective hunting. This giraffe hunt seems to fit that scenario...old bull had killed a couple younger bulls and couldn't breed anymore. The meat went to feed locals, and she paid a pretty penny for the hunt. As with anything, lots of people being pulled in polar extremes without really looking into the story. Disagree with the act of hunting, that's totally legit, but it's not some shady hunter on the loose or poaching.

I don't know if any of that matters.
Why is this woman in a photo with the giraffe she just murdered? Because she gets joy and pride out of killing. That is what's offensive. She is clearly killing for FUN. She can make all the excuses she wants to after the fact, and babble about meat and non-breeding age and everything all she wants. All we need to do is look at that photo and read her description of the hunt to know those are all just excuses being used to pad the core truth - that she is killing for entertainment and a sense of power.

my2hands

Anybody that shoots a giraffe is a loser

brianlux

PJinIL said:

Sometimes I think humans should have open season to thin the herd, keep the species stronger and smarter. 

Not a hunter, but I understand there is a time and place for selective hunting. This giraffe hunt seems to fit that scenario...old bull had killed a couple younger bulls and couldn't breed anymore. The meat went to feed locals, and she paid a pretty penny for the hunt. As with anything, lots of people being pulled in polar extremes without really looking into the story. Disagree with the act of hunting, that's totally legit, but it's not some shady hunter on the loose or poaching.

But if we provided adequate habitat for wildlife and corridors for their migration, we would not need to artificially "thin the herd".  Nature and its marvelous sense of balance would take care of that on its own.  By continuing to escalate our human-centered vision of and interaction with the natural world, we are screwing up natures balances and will eventually (if not already) put our own species on the endangered list. 

PJinIL

PJ_Soul said:

PJinIL said:

Sometimes I think humans should have open season to thin the herd, keep the species stronger and smarter. 

Not a hunter, but I understand there is a time and place for selective hunting. This giraffe hunt seems to fit that scenario...old bull had killed a couple younger bulls and couldn't breed anymore. The meat went to feed locals, and she paid a pretty penny for the hunt. As with anything, lots of people being pulled in polar extremes without really looking into the story. Disagree with the act of hunting, that's totally legit, but it's not some shady hunter on the loose or poaching.

I don't know if any of that matters.
Why is this woman in a photo with the giraffe she just murdered? Because she gets joy and pride out of killing. That is what's offensive. She is clearly killing for FUN. She can make all the excuses she wants to after the fact, and babble about meat and non-breeding age and everything all she wants. All we need to do is look at that photo and read her description of the hunt to know those are all just excuses being used to pad the core truth - that she is killing for entertainment and a sense of power.

I agree she may not have had the purest of intentions and it's of questionable taste to post pics of the kill with such pride. However, apples to apples, (let's not inject endangered status here) she's doing nothing different than the average deer hunter in the US - above board, legal, and thinks it's kinda cool to be able to shoot a gun (or bow, whatever) and kill an animal.   

There are two separate issues here:
Disgust for her behavior, regardless of legality. If she wanted to take a thoughtful image of herself with the giraffe, fine, just be tasteful. She was not, in my opinion, and am not a fan of the pointing to god/sky pose. I'm ok with the simple kneeling pose for some reason.

Disgust for exotic hunting. There are proven methods for conservation of endangered animals. So, we have to decide if the lives of some animals are worth keeping the species alive, or are these lives all sacredly precious even if the hands-off approach ultimately hurts it?

Lux: I am with you on providing wildlife more habitat to let nature take its course. Humans are the problem, and in thinning the herd, I meant thinning the HUMAN herd We're usually the problem.

If she'd gone on vacation, brought her gun, and just went out and shot this giraffe, this is a very different conversation, and she should be hung out by society to dry and used a poster child for wildlife conservation reform. This was not the case, so for the angry, go grind your ax at the programs, not the individuals.