Really? Divorced three times but against gay marriage?!?!?

oftenreading

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

You also haven't responded to the issue of Kim Davis being a hypocrite. She is an adulterer. How dare she judge anyone?

If you don't respond to my questions I will have to consider you a hypocrite for criticising us for failing to debate your points.

I said this. Go read my posts. Her denying licenses is a good thing. She's doing gods work. Her being divorced previously has not one once of anything to do with this. Divorce is mentioned and accepted in the bible. Two people of the same gender being married didn't start until the 1740s. Read my other posts to see my feelings.

Keep pushing and trying to insinuate I am a hypocrite but honestly I already answered your questions. You just want to bully me like everyone else.

Jesus said divorce was adultery, and she had children to a man with whom she was not married.
If that isn't a disgrace to marriage, nothing is!
If you don't think she is a hypocrite for trying to force beliefs she is incapable of upholding herself upon others, then I simply don't understand how your logic works.

This 1740 business was also addressed, and ignored.
What do you have to say to the multitude of accounts of homosexual relations that were a regular and well known cultural practice at the time when Jesus lived?

You haven't presented a shred of credible evidence to back the opinions you push as facts.

So now Jesus was gay? Wow. The audacity.

Where does it say there were homosexual relationships anywhere in the bible? I'll be waiting for your answer.

I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you - really, I am - but there are other written records than the Bible that one can refer to.

mickeyrat

JUST A GIRL said:

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

I find it odd that this county clerk is in jail for not doing her job but Hellary is not ????

Godfather.

You need to really read your posts before hitting submit , I find if odd that you don't get why she is .....

because she wont issue marriage lic.'s to same sex couples ?I would not do it either, personally I'd just quit rather than do something I'm not comfortable with, is she the only clerk that can issue lic. in that office ?

Godfather.

She has 6 deputy clerks. 5 are willing to issue. She refused to have her name on the licenses as the clerk of courts. She was given the choice to avoid jail bu allowing the deputy clerks to issue the licenses. She refused that offer. She is free to believe gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. But as a civil servant cannot legally impose that on others in the permance of her lawful duties as clerk. She swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution as well as Kentucky's. She is breaking that oath. Derelict in her duties. She is in jail for refusing to comply with a lawful judicial order.

Wasn't it her job, under the same constitution, to deny said licenses for the last hundred years? Only a few short months ago were the rules changed. She's doing what she feels is right, doing gods work and denying the right to marry legally. She's not against gays because of that, she's against breaking the law she's known and upheld for years. That's why she's a martyr for Christians, is she's willing to put her American freedom on the line, and lose it for her beliefs. They did the same thing to Jesus ya know, murdered and torturered him for sticking to his beliefs in a time when society said you couldn't. Isn't this a similar situation?

Except she isnt a clerk of gods court. She is paid to be clerk of the county in ky. SCOTUS hasnt changed the constitution. Only affirmed it applies to the whole of american citizenry. And The Constitution IS FLUID as it can be amended as often as the collection of states require.

In fact she wasn't elect to perform gods work. She was elected to perform the duty of clerk of courts. Issuing licenses and filing paperwork and accepting monies for fines as demanded by the courts of her county state and country. And swore an oath to do such "so help me god".

She is in defiance of a lawful order under the Constitution by a Federal Judge in the court she sought an injunction in.

g under p

Hey this episode could all get straightened out when Mrs Davis gets out of prison, her views might be changed with this experience.

Peace

rgambs

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

You also haven't responded to the issue of Kim Davis being a hypocrite. She is an adulterer. How dare she judge anyone?

If you don't respond to my questions I will have to consider you a hypocrite for criticising us for failing to debate your points.

I said this. Go read my posts. Her denying licenses is a good thing. She's doing gods work. Her being divorced previously has not one once of anything to do with this. Divorce is mentioned and accepted in the bible. Two people of the same gender being married didn't start until the 1740s. Read my other posts to see my feelings.

Keep pushing and trying to insinuate I am a hypocrite but honestly I already answered your questions. You just want to bully me like everyone else.

Jesus said divorce was adultery, and she had children to a man with whom she was not married.
If that isn't a disgrace to marriage, nothing is!
If you don't think she is a hypocrite for trying to force beliefs she is incapable of upholding herself upon others, then I simply don't understand how your logic works.

This 1740 business was also addressed, and ignored.
What do you have to say to the multitude of accounts of homosexual relations that were a regular and well known cultural practice at the time when Jesus lived?

You haven't presented a shred of credible evidence to back the opinions you push as facts.

So now Jesus was gay? Wow. The audacity.

Where does it say there were homosexual relationships anywhere in the bible? I'll be waiting for your answer.

Leviticus 20:13
You said Jesus didn't speak on it because he never thought of it, and homosexual sex wasn't invented until 1740. Leviticus predates Jesus by what, a thousand years?

Nothing I said was anywhere near claiming Jesus to be gay. Roman records from the time period during which Jesus lived are full of accounts of homosexual relations, it was as commonplace then as now, perhaps more so.

Bentleyspop

Seriously??!!
I go out for a nice 2 hour 45 mile bike ride and I come back to 41 new posts on this thread!!!

It's a beautiful day people
Go outside
Take a walk
Ride a bike
Etc etc

Then come back and ask JAG more questions to try and get her to prove her conspiracy theories.

Which we all know that she cant won't be able to do.

hedonist

Bentleyspop said:

Seriously??!!
I go out for a nice 2 hour 45 mile bike ride and I come back to 41 new posts on this thread!!!

It's a beautiful day people
Go outside
Take a walk
Ride a bike
Etc etc

Then come back and ask JAG more questions to try and get her to prove her conspiracy theories.

Which we all know that she cant won't be able to do.

That ride is admirable as hell, Bentley - but It's hot here. My selfish self is having a nice (and amusing) time staying within the creature comforts of home.

But no one else is allowed to!

oftenreading

Bentleyspop said:

Seriously??!!
I go out for a nice 2 hour 45 mile bike ride and I come back to 41 new posts on this thread!!!

It's a beautiful day people
Go outside
Take a walk
Ride a bike
Etc etc

Then come back and ask JAG more questions to try and get her to prove her conspiracy theories.

Which we all know that she cant won't be able to do.

Good advice! I started my day off with conspiracy theories and am now going out for my bike ride, so to each his/her own. Not so beautiful here, though; the sky is grey and drippy.

g under p

Bentleyspop said:

Seriously??!!
I go out for a nice 2 hour 45 mile bike ride and I come back to 41 new posts on this thread!!!

It's a beautiful day people
Go outside
Take a walk
Ride a bike
Etc etc

Then come back and ask JAG more questions to try and get her to prove her conspiracy theories.

Which we all know that she cant won't be able to do.

I did my bike ride already by the beach, a short one but better than nothing. Tomorrow a much longer one I'm slipping and need to tighten up. THIS thread has been the bomb though, you get a bit of everythang.

Peace

HesCalledDyer

JUST A GIRL said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Then I'm a bully because that is asinine.

Must be fun to keep picking on me. Get a life, and leave me alone. If you want to reply to my post, do so, quit with the insults. It's just sad.

Every single thing you post on these boards is combative and down-putting to others. Don't sit here and cry victim when you're just as guilty.

JUST A GIRL

HesCalledDyer said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Then I'm a bully because that is asinine.

Must be fun to keep picking on me. Get a life, and leave me alone. If you want to reply to my post, do so, quit with the insults. It's just sad.

Every single thing you post on these boards is combative and down-putting to others. Don't sit here and cry victim when you're just as guilty.

Where have I went out of my way to insult, not debate? I haven't. Many have piled it on to me here for having different beliefs than theirs. I haven't attacked anyone. I share my opinions. That's what we do. He said "well I'm a bully because your post is asinine" after I said it hurt my feelings to say what he said, he said, well too bad! I'll say it again! And then did so. If you can't see that as bullying then you're just as guilty.

The Romans did this to Jesus as well. It's Sunday, I am in full worship mode, and yet you still attack me, my beliefs, my religion, and sexuality. Clearly bullying and not just discussing. I have my Christian Rock tunes playing, a little temple of the dog thrown in and relaxing. I enjoy sharing opinions here so please ease up. Thanks! Have a great "Son"day!

PJ_Soul

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Just a girl:
Are you going to accuse me of bullying you if I say I think your opinion is asinine?

Yes. You could just reply. Instead you choose to personally insult me.

PJ_Soul said:

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Last-12-Exit said:

This woman's lawyer is a bigger douche bag than she is. He just compared this woman to Martin Luther King Jr. What a fucktard.

This is a joke, right? One article I read states, "Davis' lawyer, Roger Gannam, said it was the first time in history an American citizen has been jailed for believing that marriage is a union between one man and one woman. He compared her willingness to accept imprisonment to what Martin Luther King Jr. did to advance civil rights."

The nerve! The irony!

Seems pretty comparable, if not more important than mlk imo. This is groundbreaking. She's a martyr in the current times.

You think a bigot who lays her bigotry on God and who refuses to support equality for everyone, and who is pushing for continuing inequality under government and law, is comparable to, and maybe more important than, Martin Luther King, Jr??
What the fuck??????

You call her a bigot, I call her a hero. She's doing Gods work, at least someone has the nerve to offend this overly pc society by sticking to what has been the law for ages. It changes overnight under Obama (which goes back to the fact that I believe he is gay and Michelle is a man) and suddenly everyone has to comply? These laws were in place for a reason, as its a SIN for two people of the same race to be married. The bible says it, not me.

And you're being borderline offensive with the what the fuck????? No need for that. It's another shot at me that doesn't need to be taken. I don't scream wtf when you say things I clearly disagree with.

Since you are all about debating posts, as you have admonished us for failing to do, I wonder why you haven't responded to the rebuttals to your "Michelle is a man" theory?

Also, please answer this question:
Do you support Sharia law?
Shouldn't Muslims be allowed to use their deeply held religious convictions to deny women drivers licenses at the BMV?

No idea what you're referring to, sorry

How does Michelle have a bulge if she had a sex change operation in the 80's?
What is your response to the photos of Michelle as a child, clearly her, clearly a girl?

Again, you claim to be about debating posts and not sinking to our level, so pony up!

Do you support Sharia law? Do you support Muslim officials in the government denying drivers licenses to women, marriage licenses to gays, and gun permits to anyone because of their deeply held religious beliefs?

Don't know Muslim law. Already said this once.

You don't need to know sharia law or anything at all about Muslims to answer the question.
If a Sharia Muslim who was a county clerk decided that women driving cars is against his or her religious beliefs, and refused to issue drivers licenses to women because of those strong religious beliefs, would you support that person for upholding their religious values even though it breaks the law? (Btw, I have no idea if Sharia Muslims might believe that or consoder doing that - this is purely hypothetical).

Likewise, if a person who refused to issue gun licenses to Americans because doing so is a part of their job for the county, for whihc they swore an oath, because it is their strong religious belief that guns are a tool of Satan and that any American owning a gun is going to hell, and that they'd be doing the Devil's work by issuing Americans their constitutional right to own a gun, would you stand up for that person's breaking of the law and defiance of the Constitution?

If you can't honestly say YES to either of these questions then I don't see how you can even have the nerve to show your support for the stupid woman from Kentucky here on these boards. If you say you don't understand what we're talking about or are somehow otherwise unable to answer these questions like you already tried to do, then I either don't see how you even have the nerve to post your opinion here, or think you might want to speak to a doctor, because something must be wrong.

JUST A GIRL said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Last-12-Exit said:

That's racist and offensive. Every time I say something bothers me you do it more. I don't get why that's fun...

Please explain why it is racist.

could it be because jesus is depicted as white when he was of middle eastern descent?

that would be like portraying buddah as a white dude, or muhammad as a white dude, or reagan as a black dude.

Yes. Thank you for answering for me. We all know Jesus was brown skinned. He came from the Middle East!

So which Christian church in America are you a member of that depicts Jesus as a brown dude?

Last-12-Exit

JUST A GIRL said:

HesCalledDyer said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Then I'm a bully because that is asinine.

Must be fun to keep picking on me. Get a life, and leave me alone. If you want to reply to my post, do so, quit with the insults. It's just sad.

Every single thing you post on these boards is combative and down-putting to others. Don't sit here and cry victim when you're just as guilty.

Where have I went out of my way to insult, not debate? I haven't. Many have piled it on to me here for having different beliefs than theirs. I haven't attacked anyone. I share my opinions. That's what we do. He said "well I'm a bully because your post is asinine" after I said it hurt my feelings to say what he said, he said, well too bad! I'll say it again! And then did so. If you can't see that as bullying then you're just as guilty.

The Romans did this to Jesus as well. It's Sunday, I am in full worship mode, and yet you still attack me, my beliefs, my religion, and sexuality. Clearly bullying and not just discussing. I have my Christian Rock tunes playing, a little temple of the dog thrown in and relaxing. I enjoy sharing opinions here so please ease up. Thanks! Have a great "Son"day!

Did you just compare yourself to jesus?

You are not debating anything. The verbal diarrhea you are spewing has no factual basis at all. Spare us all the same old routine. I think even jesus would laugh at some of the shit youve posted.

brianlux

Bentleyspop said:

Seriously??!!
I go out for a nice 2 hour 45 mile bike ride and I come back to 41 new posts on this thread!!!

It's a beautiful day people
Go outside
Take a walk
Ride a bike
Etc etc

Then come back and ask JAG more questions to try and get her to prove her conspiracy theories.

Which we all know that she cant won't be able to do.

Oh how I wish I could! I'm home sick with some bug that got me yesterday (compounded by a migraine headache this morning) and a bit desperate to recover quickly with a book fair coming up. But I will say it looks beautiful outside my window!

OK, now with my whining done with here's a question: Should we allow the religious opinion of a few be the focus of this issue? I understand that Davis did what she did based on her religious beliefs (which many people of faith will argue strongly against). But either way, that is irrelevant. Davis should have quit her job if she was not willing to do it properly. She should have taken her beef with gay marriage elsewhere. And besides, she bases her opinions on a few Bible verses that condemn homosexual relations. But despite what some literalists will say, the Bible is not always right, sometimes the words are better understood contextually and all of them were written by people which leaves a lot of room for error.

About 35 years ago my closest little group of friends all became born-again Christians. They were very sincere in their beliefs and strongly urged me to take up their way (a.k. "One Way" or "The Way"). I tried my hardest to see if they were on to something. I read the entire Bible, some parts of it several times. I went to Bible study classes for a few years and attended a Bible church each week. I read C.S. Lewis' religious books, Ray Stedman, Josh McDowell and others. I listed to Barry McGuire, Randy Stonehill and Larry Norman records. In the end, it just didn't add up. I met several good, sincere people but my ultimate conclusion was that these people were following a path that relied too heavily on blind acceptance and emotion rather than reason. These were good loving people almost all of whom today would support gay marriage. I walked away a non-believer, kept most of those friendships and the loving aspects of who they were/are and dismissed the rest as myth. I'm guessing Davis is much more steeped in hard-core blind belief, homophobia and hatred and her religion dwells in a much darker place than what I experienced. It's just as well that she outed herself gave up her job.

HesCalledDyer

I wasn't talking about this thread alone. I said on these boards. I've seen you be condescending way more often than not. That's all I have to say.

rr165892

hedonist said:

I don't take issue with this *edit - this woman having her beliefs (though I do consider them fucked up); it's about imposing them on others.

How's that so difficult to accept, let alone comprehend?

Also, I can't believe gimme was reported. Hope the mods had a nice laugh over that.

He's just living the thug life .

rgambs

Hedo is our most diplomatic, understanding, and thoughtful train member. She is the least likely to be offensive or make personal attacks and the first to put those who do in check.
If Hedo thinks JAG is playing the victim card unduly, and being confrontational...There's something to it!

hedonist

gambs, you just blew me away. Not sure I'm deserving but so appreciate those thoughts, especially considering the source. Thank you!

mickeyrat

Interesting read.
Despite its title, the reporting is centered on nonjudgemental explainatory reporting. I think its well researched and well written.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/02/3698100/kim-davis-hypocritical-theology/

mickeyrat

Excellent read. A bit long but provides very thorough legal analysis and an easy potential accomodation. She keeps her job and the licenses get issued.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/04/when-does-your-religion-legally-excuse-you-from-doing-part-of-your-job/?tid=sm_fb

hedonist

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

Oh wow, man oh man, or in this case man on man. I'm afraid to even post anything to not offend. Me posting anything is offensive to some. But what the fuck is going on in here? I don't want to add more shit to the pile but "what the fuck" is borderline offensive and Someone calling our president gay and his wife a man ISNT? I'm confused. Look I'm no fan of any "side" and everyone knows that about me hut even I find that a bit offensive. But it is America and you have the right to feel and write/say whatever you want. Now I'll just go back and be a spectator again. Wow

What is offensive is your avatar.
Using a parents dead child.
Shame on you

It's supposed to be. And I honestly don't care. Trust me, you have no idea how close this situation is to me. And I'm not gonna air my dirty laundry on here, not in this crisis.

BB, it's not offensive (in the typical sense as used here) but sure is jarring. As it should be.

Good thoughts from here for whatever you and yours are experiencing.