Legalising drugs

Godfather.

jennycoyle said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.

I was just about to say exactly that!

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement.
the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

Godfather. said:

jennycoyle said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.

I was just about to say exactly that!

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement.
the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.

Godfather.

Never is a pretty definite term gf. Look around, pot will be legal in all 50 states in the next 10 years. More will follow.

rgambs

Godfather. said:

jennycoyle said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.

I was just about to say exactly that!

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement.
the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.

Godfather.

I tell myself almost every day I am going to stop wasting my breath with you, but...

Your argument is that drugs shouldn't be legal because of the blood trail left by the black market cartels.
The obvious, logical solution is to end prohibition and shut down the cartels. What happened to Capone and the like when alcohol became legal again? They went out of business.

Your argument makes no sense, as usual.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit said:

Godfather. said:

jennycoyle said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.

I was just about to say exactly that!

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement.
the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.

Godfather.

Never is a pretty definite term gf. Look around, pot will be legal in all 50 states in the next 10 years. More will follow.

pot......yes but meth, herion, X, and so on...not in our life time, BTW the blood will still flow from mexico after pot is totally legal, there's too much money in that little green bud to just walk away and even at that they'll just bump up the meth shippments and expand thier turf.

Godfather.

Amongst the Ani

It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.

Godfather.

for some reason the last page (3) is blocked on my computer.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul

Amongst the Ani said:

It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.

I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown.
I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.

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PJ_Soul said:

Amongst the Ani said:

It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.

I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown.
I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.

It's naive to think that cartels have little to do with weed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for decriminalization of most drugs. But to think drug lords wouldn't kill me and you both on sight if we were stopping 100 lbs of weed from getting g into the country is wishful thinking,

Godfather.

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

jennycoyle said:

Amongst the Ani said:

Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.

I was just about to say exactly that!

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement.
the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.

Godfather.

I tell myself almost every day I am going to stop wasting my breath with you, but...

Your argument is that drugs shouldn't be legal because of the blood trail left by the black market cartels.
The obvious, logical solution is to end prohibition and shut down the cartels. What happened to Capone and the like when alcohol became legal again? They went out of business.

Your argument makes no sense, as usual.

I'm loveable that way hahhahhahhah

Godfather.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Amongst the Ani said:

It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.

I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown.
I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.

It's naive to think that cartels have little to do with weed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for decriminalization of most drugs. But to think drug lords wouldn't kill me and you both on sight if we were stopping 100 lbs of weed from getting g into the country is wishful thinking,

There just aren't any "cartels" where I am, so I don't generally make the connection. I'm sure that there must be cartels for weed somewhere, like in Mexico.... There just isn't any connection where I am, so I never thought about it. Here, the closest thing to a cartel would be the Hell's Angels hand in the pot industry.... I dunno. Maybe they and similar are considered a cartel in other countries to which they export? I really never hear about any of this kind of action happening in these parts. There is some gang violence here, but that is all about a hell of a lot more than weed, and they are all a bunch of mooks, lol.

Amongst the Ani

The Mexican Cartels main export is weed. Last statistics I saw it is still over 70% of their business. The rest is in the other drugs.

PJ_Soul

Amongst the Ani said:

The Mexican Cartels main export is weed. Last statistics I saw it is still over 70% of their business. The rest is in the other drugs.

That's a lot. Makes me wonder why in the fuck anyone would rather deal with Mexican cartels than figure out how to grow it themselves.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The problem in Mexico is profound once you get outside the all-inclusive resorts.

Mexico effectively stopped being the middle man for Columbia some time ago and based on geography has afforded cartels the opportunity to manufacture and sell drugs to their eager northern neighbour at great profit.

The cartels make so much money that they: easily recruit young men not interested in selling chiclets; arm their soldiers with weaponry far superior to that of police and military; bribe officials that have little choice but to accept the offer; and, ultimately, run the country.

PJ_Soul

Yeah, well you won't catch me in Mexico these days, that's for sure.

Amongst the Ani

I stand corrected, due to all of the changes in US policy (federal minimums getting removed, leaglization in some states, medical use in others) they now say pot is 40% of their business.

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Amongst the Ani said:

It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.

I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown.
I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.

It's naive to think that cartels have little to do with weed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for decriminalization of most drugs. But to think drug lords wouldn't kill me and you both on sight if we were stopping 100 lbs of weed from getting g into the country is wishful thinking,

There just aren't any "cartels" where I am, so I don't generally make the connection. I'm sure that there must be cartels for weed somewhere, like in Mexico.... There just isn't any connection where I am, so I never thought about it. Here, the closest thing to a cartel would be the Hell's Angels hand in the pot industry.... I dunno. Maybe they and similar are considered a cartel in other countries to which they export? I really never hear about any of this kind of action happening in these parts. There is some gang violence here, but that is all about a hell of a lot more than weed, and they are all a bunch of mooks, lol.

What kind of crime is there in Canada? What are the major issues there? I'm actually curious as to what you have to say. :-)

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Amongst the Ani said:

It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.

I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown.
I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.

It's naive to think that cartels have little to do with weed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for decriminalization of most drugs. But to think drug lords wouldn't kill me and you both on sight if we were stopping 100 lbs of weed from getting g into the country is wishful thinking,

There just aren't any "cartels" where I am, so I don't generally make the connection. I'm sure that there must be cartels for weed somewhere, like in Mexico.... There just isn't any connection where I am, so I never thought about it. Here, the closest thing to a cartel would be the Hell's Angels hand in the pot industry.... I dunno. Maybe they and similar are considered a cartel in other countries to which they export? I really never hear about any of this kind of action happening in these parts. There is some gang violence here, but that is all about a hell of a lot more than weed, and they are all a bunch of mooks, lol.

What kind of crime is there in Canada? What are the major issues there? I'm actually curious as to what you have to say. :-)

There are plenty of gangs I guess (not compared to the US, but still... I know Surrey BC is really struggling with that issue, so that's definitely the main local crime problem where I am). Just about all of the gun violence you see Canadian stats on is gang related. There is also a lot of property crime in Vancouver in particular, because there is a big homelessness problem here, which comes with a drug problem, which is what leads to the property crime (car thefts/break-ins, stolen property, etc), it being the only Canadian city along with Victoria that has a mild winter. There is plenty of domestic violence of course, though nothing outside of the norm anywhere else. The Hell's Angels are certainly big in Canada. There also seem to be a lot of hit and runs. And drugs are generally easy to score apparently (outside of weed). Let's see.... the murder rate in Canada is 1.44 people per 100,000. And of course there are loads of perverts walking around free posing a danger to communities. And there is a LOT of smuggling of banned items happening, particularly in Vancouver, since it's where everything comes through from Asia.
Crime rates in general aren't considered to be a huge problem in Canada, in relative terms. It's shitty prison sentences are though.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

Amongst the Ani said:

The Mexican Cartels main export is weed. Last statistics I saw it is still over 70% of their business. The rest is in the other drugs.

That's a lot. Makes me wonder why in the fuck anyone would rather deal with Mexican cartels than figure out how to grow it themselves.

Lots of Americans smoke cheap Mexican shwag... It's cheap and easy to get

jnimhaoileoin

At least we're thinking about it....

http://www.newstalk.com/Aodhan-O-Riordain-and-Richard-Branson-urged-Irish-people-to-consider-treat-addicts-with-compassion-amid-confirmation-legislation-is-being-looked-at