Legalising drugs

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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    jennycoyle said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
    Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:

    jennycoyle said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
    Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
    There are definitely cases where people possessing personal amounts have been sentenced to decades in prison.
    They are the outliers, but they exist.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    edited September 2015
    Hence the "usually" in my post.
    Post edited by dudeman on
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited September 2015
    dudeman said:

    jennycoyle said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
    Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
    unless there are mandatory minimums....Canada's govt tried to get them passed not long ago.
    Not to mention how a criminal record affects a person's ability to get a decent job, school loans, etc....
    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    How do you keep missing the posts in this thread (and every other thread on the topic) that have repeatedly stated that the number of addicts DECREASES following progressive drug law reform? Less addicts = less drug related crime.
    If you're trying to make the point that addiction is not just a health issue because it results in crime, then....you're still wrong. We won't be legalizing addiction related theft along with drug law reform. There will still be laws against theft.

    Post edited by Drowned Out on
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Because they are illegal GF. Let them go to dr's to get their fix along with counseling. Give the crap to them. Teach kids the real risks of drugs. Talk openly about it.

    I believe the downsides will be far out weighed by benefits and cost reductions. Police. Incarceration crime. Od's on bad shit. Less crime and MAYBE just maybe less people buy guns?!?!?

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    dudeman said:

    jennycoyle said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
    Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
    Not heroin. And not in Kansas or Texas.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    jennycoyle said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
    sure, but uasally not much time other than county jail for the most part unless.....they can prove sales and distrabution then your looking at 10+ years in state prison depending on the amount.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    callen said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Because they are illegal GF. Let them go to dr's to get their fix along with counseling. Give the crap to them. Teach kids the real risks of drugs. Talk openly about it.

    I believe the downsides will be far out weighed by benefits and cost reductions. Police. Incarceration crime. Od's on bad shit. Less crime and MAYBE just maybe less people buy guns?!?!?


    you are probably right but the availbilty of drugs to a teen and wanting to gain acceptance from a group is just too damning to a young life...to me anyway, and I have never met a drug dealer who bought registered guns so all your back ground checks don't mean much in that case.

    Godfather.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Would counter having drugs illegal is a draw for young users.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    callen said:

    Would counter having drugs illegal is a draw for young users.

    maybe, maybe not.

    Godfather.

  • Amongst the Ani
    Amongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    People still are in prison for long periods for crimes that caused no harm to anyone. They just finally let the poor guy out of prison in Missouri who served 20 years on a life sentence (with no parole) for selling 6 pounds of weed. There were no other crimes involved in his bust. He did not have a gun, was not selling to kids or anything else. He had been previously arrested twice for pot related crimes only. This is stupid as an advanced society to have us all floating the bill for this guy for 20 years over weed. There are many, many people like this. Obama started commuting sentences on some but many still rot in jail. This whole criminalizing something there is such a high demand for is ridiculous. Many states still have mandatory minimums. The federal government needs to decrimanlize and force all states to knock this shit off.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Watched cop show and perp looked at life in prison for repeated heroin possession. Next watched crime show and first degree murder got 40 years. WTF. we need to end this so called war on drugs.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Amongst the Ani said:

    People still are in prison for long periods for crimes that caused no harm to anyone. They just finally let the poor guy out of prison in Missouri who served 20 years on a life sentence (with no parole) for selling 6 pounds of weed. There were no other crimes involved in his bust. He did not have a gun, was not selling to kids or anything else. He had been previously arrested twice for pot related crimes only. This is stupid as an advanced society to have us all floating the bill for this guy for 20 years over weed. There are many, many people like this. Obama started commuting sentences on some but many still rot in jail. This whole criminalizing something there is such a high demand for is ridiculous. Many states still have mandatory minimums. The federal government needs to decrimanlize and force all states to knock this shit off.

    so he didn't get it the first two times ? keep dreaming the fed's will never legalize street drugs in fact everytime a new drug created with all legal chimicals hit's the street it is already illegal, possission of a uncontroled substance and as long as people continue to die or kill for street drugs they will never be legal, it's your same argument with gun control laws...you or they say guns kill people so get rid of them, the fed's say drugs kill people so get rid of them....it's crazy that everybody want's the laws to fit into thier own agenda.

    Godfather.

  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,295
    callen said:

    Watched cop show and perp looked at life in prison for repeated heroin possession. Next watched crime show and first degree murder got 40 years. WTF. we need to end this so called war on drugs.

    Yeah that's what really gets me is the comparison to other crimes, it would be one thing if every murderer and child melestor was being executed or put in solitary for life but their not.

    I heard a story once told by a girl about her father, he got busted on a second offense felony quantity of pot, he sold at it greatfull dead concerts in able to afford following them on tour. He is currently doing 25 to life and in his time as a prisoner he had a cell mate that was a child melestor that came in after him and was out before him. I can't for the life of me wrap my head around how this happens on a regular basis.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Godfather. said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    People still are in prison for long periods for crimes that caused no harm to anyone. They just finally let the poor guy out of prison in Missouri who served 20 years on a life sentence (with no parole) for selling 6 pounds of weed. There were no other crimes involved in his bust. He did not have a gun, was not selling to kids or anything else. He had been previously arrested twice for pot related crimes only. This is stupid as an advanced society to have us all floating the bill for this guy for 20 years over weed. There are many, many people like this. Obama started commuting sentences on some but many still rot in jail. This whole criminalizing something there is such a high demand for is ridiculous. Many states still have mandatory minimums. The federal government needs to decrimanlize and force all states to knock this shit off.

    so he didn't get it the first two times ? keep dreaming the fed's will never legalize street drugs in fact everytime a new drug created with all legal chimicals hit's the street it is already illegal, possission of a uncontroled substance and as long as people continue to die or kill for street drugs they will never be legal, it's your same argument with gun control laws...you or they say guns kill people so get rid of them, the fed's say drugs kill people so get rid of them....it's crazy that everybody want's the laws to fit into thier own agenda.

    Godfather.

    Crazy like how you advocate FOR deadly guns and AGAINST deadly drugs?
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  • Amongst the Ani
    Amongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Amongst the Ani said:

    Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.

    I was just about to say exactly that!
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    It's wasted breath on Godfather lol
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Drowned Out said:

    dudeman said:

    jennycoyle said:

    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
    Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
    unless there are mandatory minimums....Canada's govt tried to get them passed not long ago.
    Not to mention how a criminal record affects a person's ability to get a decent job, school loans, etc....
    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.

    drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison.
    I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.

    Godfather.

    How do you keep missing the posts in this thread (and every other thread on the topic) that have repeatedly stated that the number of addicts DECREASES following progressive drug law reform? Less addicts = less drug related crime.
    If you're trying to make the point that addiction is not just a health issue because it results in crime, then....you're still wrong. We won't be legalizing addiction related theft along with drug law reform. There will still be laws against theft.

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