Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
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Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
There are definitely cases where people possessing personal amounts have been sentenced to decades in prison. They are the outliers, but they exist.
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
unless there are mandatory minimums....Canada's govt tried to get them passed not long ago. Not to mention how a criminal record affects a person's ability to get a decent job, school loans, etc....
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
How do you keep missing the posts in this thread (and every other thread on the topic) that have repeatedly stated that the number of addicts DECREASES following progressive drug law reform? Less addicts = less drug related crime. If you're trying to make the point that addiction is not just a health issue because it results in crime, then....you're still wrong. We won't be legalizing addiction related theft along with drug law reform. There will still be laws against theft.
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Because they are illegal GF. Let them go to dr's to get their fix along with counseling. Give the crap to them. Teach kids the real risks of drugs. Talk openly about it.
I believe the downsides will be far out weighed by benefits and cost reductions. Police. Incarceration crime. Od's on bad shit. Less crime and MAYBE just maybe less people buy guns?!?!?
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
sure, but uasally not much time other than county jail for the most part unless.....they can prove sales and distrabution then your looking at 10+ years in state prison depending on the amount.
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Because they are illegal GF. Let them go to dr's to get their fix along with counseling. Give the crap to them. Teach kids the real risks of drugs. Talk openly about it.
I believe the downsides will be far out weighed by benefits and cost reductions. Police. Incarceration crime. Od's on bad shit. Less crime and MAYBE just maybe less people buy guns?!?!?
you are probably right but the availbilty of drugs to a teen and wanting to gain acceptance from a group is just too damning to a young life...to me anyway, and I have never met a drug dealer who bought registered guns so all your back ground checks don't mean much in that case.
People still are in prison for long periods for crimes that caused no harm to anyone. They just finally let the poor guy out of prison in Missouri who served 20 years on a life sentence (with no parole) for selling 6 pounds of weed. There were no other crimes involved in his bust. He did not have a gun, was not selling to kids or anything else. He had been previously arrested twice for pot related crimes only. This is stupid as an advanced society to have us all floating the bill for this guy for 20 years over weed. There are many, many people like this. Obama started commuting sentences on some but many still rot in jail. This whole criminalizing something there is such a high demand for is ridiculous. Many states still have mandatory minimums. The federal government needs to decrimanlize and force all states to knock this shit off.
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Watched cop show and perp looked at life in prison for repeated heroin possession. Next watched crime show and first degree murder got 40 years. WTF. we need to end this so called war on drugs.
People still are in prison for long periods for crimes that caused no harm to anyone. They just finally let the poor guy out of prison in Missouri who served 20 years on a life sentence (with no parole) for selling 6 pounds of weed. There were no other crimes involved in his bust. He did not have a gun, was not selling to kids or anything else. He had been previously arrested twice for pot related crimes only. This is stupid as an advanced society to have us all floating the bill for this guy for 20 years over weed. There are many, many people like this. Obama started commuting sentences on some but many still rot in jail. This whole criminalizing something there is such a high demand for is ridiculous. Many states still have mandatory minimums. The federal government needs to decrimanlize and force all states to knock this shit off.
so he didn't get it the first two times ? keep dreaming the fed's will never legalize street drugs in fact everytime a new drug created with all legal chimicals hit's the street it is already illegal, possission of a uncontroled substance and as long as people continue to die or kill for street drugs they will never be legal, it's your same argument with gun control laws...you or they say guns kill people so get rid of them, the fed's say drugs kill people so get rid of them....it's crazy that everybody want's the laws to fit into thier own agenda.
Watched cop show and perp looked at life in prison for repeated heroin possession. Next watched crime show and first degree murder got 40 years. WTF. we need to end this so called war on drugs.
Yeah that's what really gets me is the comparison to other crimes, it would be one thing if every murderer and child melestor was being executed or put in solitary for life but their not.
I heard a story once told by a girl about her father, he got busted on a second offense felony quantity of pot, he sold at it greatfull dead concerts in able to afford following them on tour. He is currently doing 25 to life and in his time as a prisoner he had a cell mate that was a child melestor that came in after him and was out before him. I can't for the life of me wrap my head around how this happens on a regular basis.
People still are in prison for long periods for crimes that caused no harm to anyone. They just finally let the poor guy out of prison in Missouri who served 20 years on a life sentence (with no parole) for selling 6 pounds of weed. There were no other crimes involved in his bust. He did not have a gun, was not selling to kids or anything else. He had been previously arrested twice for pot related crimes only. This is stupid as an advanced society to have us all floating the bill for this guy for 20 years over weed. There are many, many people like this. Obama started commuting sentences on some but many still rot in jail. This whole criminalizing something there is such a high demand for is ridiculous. Many states still have mandatory minimums. The federal government needs to decrimanlize and force all states to knock this shit off.
so he didn't get it the first two times ? keep dreaming the fed's will never legalize street drugs in fact everytime a new drug created with all legal chimicals hit's the street it is already illegal, possission of a uncontroled substance and as long as people continue to die or kill for street drugs they will never be legal, it's your same argument with gun control laws...you or they say guns kill people so get rid of them, the fed's say drugs kill people so get rid of them....it's crazy that everybody want's the laws to fit into thier own agenda.
Godfather.
Crazy like how you advocate FOR deadly guns and AGAINST deadly drugs?
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
Do people not go to jail for drug possession?
Unless they are in possession for large quantities, they don't usually go to prison. County jail for short periods, sure.
unless there are mandatory minimums....Canada's govt tried to get them passed not long ago. Not to mention how a criminal record affects a person's ability to get a decent job, school loans, etc....
Drug abuse and addiction is a medical issue not a criminal one. Get police and Doo gooders out of it. All drugs.
drug addicts rob, kill, steel and lie for thier fix and that's what gets a whole lot of them in prison. I can't think of any case where a person went to prison for the sole crime of a drug addiction, only the crimes they commit for thier addiction.
Godfather.
How do you keep missing the posts in this thread (and every other thread on the topic) that have repeatedly stated that the number of addicts DECREASES following progressive drug law reform? Less addicts = less drug related crime. If you're trying to make the point that addiction is not just a health issue because it results in crime, then....you're still wrong. We won't be legalizing addiction related theft along with drug law reform. There will still be laws against theft.
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Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.
I was just about to say exactly that!
HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement. the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.
Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.
I was just about to say exactly that!
HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement. the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.
Godfather.
Never is a pretty definite term gf. Look around, pot will be legal in all 50 states in the next 10 years. More will follow.
Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.
I was just about to say exactly that!
HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement. the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.
Godfather.
I tell myself almost every day I am going to stop wasting my breath with you, but...
Your argument is that drugs shouldn't be legal because of the blood trail left by the black market cartels. The obvious, logical solution is to end prohibition and shut down the cartels. What happened to Capone and the like when alcohol became legal again? They went out of business.
Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.
I was just about to say exactly that!
HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement. the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.
Godfather.
Never is a pretty definite term gf. Look around, pot will be legal in all 50 states in the next 10 years. More will follow.
pot......yes but meth, herion, X, and so on...not in our life time, BTW the blood will still flow from mexico after pot is totally legal, there's too much money in that little green bud to just walk away and even at that they'll just bump up the meth shippments and expand thier turf.
It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.
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It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.
I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown. I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.
I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown. I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.
It's naive to think that cartels have little to do with weed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for decriminalization of most drugs. But to think drug lords wouldn't kill me and you both on sight if we were stopping 100 lbs of weed from getting g into the country is wishful thinking,
Drugs kill the people taking them. Guns can be used to take your own life but are also used to take other lifes. Big difference between the two.
I was just about to say exactly that!
HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHA you two need to wake up, do a little Pablo Escabar and the Medillian Cartel history...good grief that was the most ......well never mind,it's just a very uninformed statement. the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.
Godfather.
I tell myself almost every day I am going to stop wasting my breath with you, but...
Your argument is that drugs shouldn't be legal because of the blood trail left by the black market cartels. The obvious, logical solution is to end prohibition and shut down the cartels. What happened to Capone and the like when alcohol became legal again? They went out of business.
It costs just about nothing for the cartels to grow weed. They pay poor farmers almost nothing and it is just seeds and water. When shipments get taken and stashes raided they lose on the lost sales but aren't out much money. Meth costs actual money to make. The chemicals are not super expensive but have a much larger cost than weed. If we can focus the DEA and Border Patrol on meth rather than mexican schwag we could hurt the cartels much worse than we are now. I am not for legalzing all drugs, but it is pointless to go after people for some of them when the worse ones don't get the budget put into stopping it.
I never even connected the term "cartels" with weed.... this may be because pretty much all of the weed where I am is homegrown. I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.
It's naive to think that cartels have little to do with weed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for decriminalization of most drugs. But to think drug lords wouldn't kill me and you both on sight if we were stopping 100 lbs of weed from getting g into the country is wishful thinking,
There just aren't any "cartels" where I am, so I don't generally make the connection. I'm sure that there must be cartels for weed somewhere, like in Mexico.... There just isn't any connection where I am, so I never thought about it. Here, the closest thing to a cartel would be the Hell's Angels hand in the pot industry.... I dunno. Maybe they and similar are considered a cartel in other countries to which they export? I really never hear about any of this kind of action happening in these parts. There is some gang violence here, but that is all about a hell of a lot more than weed, and they are all a bunch of mooks, lol.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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They are the outliers, but they exist.
Not to mention how a criminal record affects a person's ability to get a decent job, school loans, etc....
How do you keep missing the posts in this thread (and every other thread on the topic) that have repeatedly stated that the number of addicts DECREASES following progressive drug law reform? Less addicts = less drug related crime.
If you're trying to make the point that addiction is not just a health issue because it results in crime, then....you're still wrong. We won't be legalizing addiction related theft along with drug law reform. There will still be laws against theft.
I believe the downsides will be far out weighed by benefits and cost reductions. Police. Incarceration crime. Od's on bad shit. Less crime and MAYBE just maybe less people buy guns?!?!?
Godfather.
you are probably right but the availbilty of drugs to a teen and wanting to gain acceptance from a group is just too damning to a young life...to me anyway, and I have never met a drug dealer who bought registered guns so all your back ground checks don't mean much in that case.
Godfather.
Godfather.
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Rob
Seattle
Godfather.
I heard a story once told by a girl about her father, he got busted on a second offense felony quantity of pot, he sold at it greatfull dead concerts in able to afford following them on tour. He is currently doing 25 to life and in his time as a prisoner he had a cell mate that was a child melestor that came in after him and was out before him. I can't for the life of me wrap my head around how this happens on a regular basis.
Fuckus rules all
Rob
Seattle
the drug world isnt just the stash you hid from your mom and it didn't magically show up, even that little dime bag you got from your friend has a trail of blood right behind it.look up Frank Lucas and Bumpy Johnson and study thier careers then tell me drugs only kill the user....you two have to be kidding me right ? BTW once you've read up on these people you'll maybe understand why the fed's will NEVER legalize drugs.
Godfather.
Your argument is that drugs shouldn't be legal because of the blood trail left by the black market cartels.
The obvious, logical solution is to end prohibition and shut down the cartels. What happened to Capone and the like when alcohol became legal again? They went out of business.
Your argument makes no sense, as usual.
Godfather.
Fuckus rules all
Rob
Seattle
Godfather.
I figure the worst violence and crime is definitely coming from the trades in the harder drugs. Legalizing them would reduce that crime and violence, hence the money spent on it, dramatically. Not to mention the resulting tax dollars as pure profit. Simple. Can't wait for all the old farts in government to retire or die so that the drug stigma stuck in their brains goes with them. I have much higher expectations for the Gen Xers as far as drug policies go.
Godfather.