de-criminalization of the sex trade ?

Godfather.

any thoughts ? this reminds me of the de-criminalization of all drugs Idea that has been tossed around here, do you think this idea is any different ?

Godfather.

LONDON – Amnesty International approved a controversial policy Tuesday to endorse the de-criminalization of the sex trade, rejecting complaints from some women's rights groups who say it is tantamount to advocating the legalization of pimping and brothel owning.

At its decision-making forum in Dublin, the human rights watchdog approved the resolution to recommend "full decriminalization of all aspects of consensual sex work." It argues its research suggests decriminalization is the best way to defend sex workers' human rights.

"We recognize that this critical human rights issue is hugely complex and that is why we have addressed this issue from the perspective of international human rights standards," said Salil Shetty, Secretary General of Amnesty International. "We also consulted with our global movement to take on board different views from around the world."

Amnesty's decision is important because it will use its heft to lobby governments around the world to accept its point of view.

Advance word of the Amnesty policy sparked opposition from some women's groups who argued that the human rights organization has made a serious mistake. The groups, such as the U.S.-based Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, have argued that while it agrees with Amnesty that those who are prostituted should not be criminalized, full de-criminalization would make pimps "businesspeople" who could sell the vulnerable with impunity.

"It really is a slap in the face to survivors and to women's rights groups around the world," said Taina Bien-Aime, the executive director of the coalition, adding that disappointment does not adequately describe her feelings.

Last-12-Exit

Good idea

rr165892

I'm fine with de criminalization of the ADULT sex buisness.Regulating and taxing it .It should be like going to get a massage at a reputable spa.With security and health checks .
On the other hand I want even stricter laws to help fight Child exploitation and trafficking which Unfortunatly does piggy back here.

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

I'm fine with de criminalization of the ADULT sex buisness.Regulating and taxing it .It should be like going to get a massage at a reputable spa.With security and health checks .
On the other hand I want even stricter laws to help fight Child exploitation and trafficking which Unfortunatly does piggy back here.

Agreed !

Godfather.

oftenreading

I seem to remember we had a lengthy discussion on here about this last summer, although I can't recall if the thread was specifically about the sex trade or if we hijacked another thread.

I certainly am in favour of the sex trade workers not being criminalized. I hope there would still be a mechanism to go after the pimps who are victimizing vulnerable people. I haven't seen anything in the past year to change my mind about my original position, which is that the majority of people working in the sex trade are there because they are desperate, usually wrapped up in drugs and/or alcohol, and would very much like not to be doing what they are doing. I think the idea that there are a lot of free thinking, healthy independent women actively making a choice to work in the sex trade is overblown; sure, they exist, but are in a significant minority.

Drowned Out

It was about the sex trade, and it was another gf joint...

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/236275/prostitution-should-it-be-legalized/p1

oftenreading

Drowned Out said:

It was about the sex trade, and it was another gf joint...

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/236275/prostitution-should-it-be-legalized/p1

Yes, that was it. Just skimmed the first couple of pages again but I know we had a good discussion.

Drowned Out

oftenreading said:

Drowned Out said:

It was about the sex trade, and it was another gf joint...

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/236275/prostitution-should-it-be-legalized/p1

Yes, that was it. Just skimmed the first couple of pages again but I know we had a good discussion.

ya....my first post in that thread (pg6) expresses my perspective in more detail than I'd have had time to do today.

hedonist

Every time I read the word pimp, I picture Kramer with his walking stick, hat and technicolor coat.

Anyway, for the most part, wouldn't decriminalizing it remove the need for pimps/bosses? If someone actually chooses to go into this profession, who is anyone to say they shouldn't? People sell themselves and their services in many ways; the fact that it's sex has no bearing on the argument itself, for me.

Also will never get how it's legal to fuck on camera for money, but take away the camera and boom! Busted.

Godfather.

hedonist said:

Every time I read the word pimp, I picture Kramer with his walking stick, hat and technicolor coat.

Anyway, for the most part, wouldn't decriminalizing it remove the need for pimps/bosses? If someone actually chooses to go into this profession, who is anyone to say they shouldn't? People sell themselves and their services in many ways; the fact that it's sex has no bearing on the argument itself, for me.

Also will never get how it's legal to fuck on camera for money, but take away the camera and boom! Busted.

hedonist said:

Every time I read the word pimp, I picture Kramer with his walking stick, hat and technicolor coat.

Anyway, for the most part, wouldn't decriminalizing it remove the need for pimps/bosses? If someone actually chooses to go into this profession, who is anyone to say they shouldn't? People sell themselves and their services in many ways; the fact that it's sex has no bearing on the argument itself, for me.

Also will never get how it's legal to fuck on camera for money, but take away the camera and boom! Busted.

with backing prostution would be huge, the tourist trade would explode and the money would follow, I agree this would put the modern day pimp out of business because now girls can go to the police without fear of arrest not to mention getting a business lic.and everything else that comes with a legit business.

Godfather.

callen

Freedom. All about freedom. Consenting adults done.

GF second post on this, ah ah ah. HA

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I think GF is pushing an agenda here.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I think GF is pushing an agenda here.

buy a hotel, first floor is a resturant, second floor is a bar, third floor and up...is like a hair saloon, I'd rent rooms to girls in the business and charge them $1000 per night per room, health permits and daily STD checks for all working girls, hire a manager (madam) offer her free appartment rent pluse hourly rate at min. wage to run the day to day business, dinner in the resturant would start at $200 a plate, flate rate on all drinks $20 ea., black tie entry..no jeans and t-shirts, security would be on every floor but not too noticeable to customers.....hows that for an agenda LOL !!!!!

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I think GF is pushing an agenda here.

other than that not really but I know what your thinking. LOL !!!

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I think GF is pushing an agenda here.

other than that not really but I know what your thinking. LOL !!!

Godfather.

Yup. I was figuring things were frosty around the house lately because the wife had read some of your posts LOL!

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I think GF is pushing an agenda here.

other than that not really but I know what your thinking. LOL !!!

Godfather.

Yup. I was figuring things were frosty around the house lately because the wife had read some of your posts LOL!

Right thought same thing.

GF,

Went to high school in Frankfurt Germany and we'd skip and go to k street down town and they had hotels as you mention. Girls at in chairs in front of their rooms. Was quite interesting. We just ogled for the record. Still that way I hear.

Godfather.

hahahhahha my wife would kick my ass, but if I were somebody who didn't care about people it could be a very profitable venture.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul

I do not support the selling/purchasing/renting/trafficking of human bodies. Period.

rr165892

Pj whats ur stance on Porn?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

I do not support the selling/purchasing/renting/trafficking of human bodies. Period.

I guess it depends on your views of sex.

If it's a shameful act that should be reserved for married people in the missionary position... then agreed.

If it's just a physical release for a deeply rooted instinct, then not agreed.

People get therapeutic massages which isn't as intimate. Perhaps sex isn't far removed from a massage? If a guy struggles to have sex with women for whatever reason and is willing to pay for it... while a woman views sex like the second mindset and wishes to profit from the situation.. why not?

Playing Devil's advocate.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

I do not support the selling/purchasing/renting/trafficking of human bodies. Period.

I guess it depends on your views of sex.

If it's a shameful act that should be reserved for married people in the missionary position... then agreed.

If it's just a physical release for a deeply rooted instinct, then not agreed.

People get therapeutic massages which isn't as intimate. Perhaps sex isn't far removed from a massage? If a guy struggles to have sex with women for whatever reason and is willing to pay for it... while a woman views sex like the second mindset and wishes to profit from the situation.. why not?

Playing Devil's advocate.

I said a lot in that thread that Drowned Out posted above, so I can just refer to that. My first post in it was:

"This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude.
I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails."

I had a whole lot more to say after that, but this is about the size of it IMO. But I really think we should all move over the very interesting thread about this that already exists. I see no point in having the same conversation with pretty much all the same people twice.