The Donald for President

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

The liberals have been taking Christ out of Xmas for years.

It's not liberals. It's idiots. Most liberals do not want that done (I would know, I'm extremely liberal and absolutely disapprove and so does every other liberal person I know). The VAST majority of people think this kind of thing is ridiculous. The problem is idiots pandering to the lowest common denominator (which is also the minority).

I don't consider myself an idiot. I consider myself someone who likes everyone to feel welcome and included.

HughFreakingDillon

if I didn't have kids, I'd probably ignore christmas altogether. if you aren't christian, why the fuck spend all that money for no reason? I can get together with family for dinner and whatnot without making everyone shell out hundreds so we can keep the economy moving.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

if I didn't have kids, I'd probably ignore christmas altogether. if you aren't christian, why the fuck spend all that money for no reason? I can get together with family for dinner and whatnot without making everyone shell out hundreds so we can keep the economy moving.

Exactly...it's really stupid when you think about it.

I'm 47...up until about 5 years ago my grandma would still give me $20 and a medium sweater from JCPenney's. I haven't been a medium since 1986.

I got $20 and a medium sweater from roughly 1985 to 2010.

Great for kids...kinda useless for everyone else.

pjhawks

the people who don't want to hear someone say Merry Christmas should have to work on that day and not take it as the national holiday and turn down any Christmas bonus and not attend a Christmas party if their company has one. don't want to hear it or celebrate the given holiday then don't take the benefits of said holiday.

and while Trump is an ass there are parts of the Missouri story that are kind of ridiculous.

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

the people who don't want to hear someone say Merry Christmas should have to work on that day and not take it as the national holiday and turn down any Christmas bonus and not attend a Christmas party if their company has one. don't want to hear it or celebrate the given holiday then don't take the benefits of said holiday.

and while Trump is an ass there are parts of the Missouri story that are kind of ridiculous.

I really don't believe anyone is legitimately offended by hearing it, at least not a significant number. it is the companies and businesses that are just saying "hey, let's try to include everyone". it's a PR thing. and they know full well that christmas being a religious holiday is on the decline. it's a marketing holiday.

but I agree with you. I think it's hogwash that I get several days off for no reason and other religions get nothing for their holiday. I think it should be set up federally that you get your chosen religious/spiritual holiday off, and on the other ones, you work. it would get sticky with christmas being one day and hannukah being 8, etc, but you get what I mean.

My God Is The Sun, so I'll gladly take an extra few days off in the summer. Weather permitting.

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

the people who don't want to hear someone say Merry Christmas should have to work on that day and not take it as the national holiday and turn down any Christmas bonus and not attend a Christmas party if their company has one. don't want to hear it or celebrate the given holiday then don't take the benefits of said holiday.

and while Trump is an ass there are parts of the Missouri story that are kind of ridiculous.

many of the old betties at my work get their granny panties in a bunch now that it's no longer called the christmas party at my work, it's the holiday party. I don't give a shit what it's called. I don't go anyway. LOL

callen

Phew. My company says holidays. So still Don't have to work those days.

pjhawks

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

the people who don't want to hear someone say Merry Christmas should have to work on that day and not take it as the national holiday and turn down any Christmas bonus and not attend a Christmas party if their company has one. don't want to hear it or celebrate the given holiday then don't take the benefits of said holiday.

and while Trump is an ass there are parts of the Missouri story that are kind of ridiculous.

I really don't believe anyone is legitimately offended by hearing it, at least not a significant number. it is the companies and businesses that are just saying "hey, let's try to include everyone". it's a PR thing. and they know full well that christmas being a religious holiday is on the decline. it's a marketing holiday.

but I agree with you. I think it's hogwash that I get several days off for no reason and other religions get nothing for their holiday. I think it should be set up federally that you get your chosen religious/spiritual holiday off, and on the other ones, you work. it would get sticky with christmas being one day and hannukah being 8, etc, but you get what I mean.

My God Is The Sun, so I'll gladly take an extra few days off in the summer. Weather permitting.

I'd start a new religion that said you can't work anytime the temperature is over 70 degrees.

pjhawks

fyi: here is an article basically saying the whole Missouri scandal is a sham. Trump is an ass but he might not be wrong about this case.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/is-the-entire-mizzou-protest-based-on-lies-111115

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I hope you have a good Ramadan!

If I moved to a country that is historically Muslim I would not be offended by this and ask them to change their culture to fit mine. That is what we are asked though to do in the USA and all we are doing is creating a fragmented society instead of a country with shared ideals.

I celebrate christmas as a family tradition, not a religious one. I don't say merry christmas to anyone I don't know personally. people labelling it as "pc" is complete nonsense. it's called being inclusive.

that being said, i don't give a flying fuck if a company chooses to put santa or jesus or the cross or the menora or whathaveyou on their product. it's their right to do so. it is also their right to tell their staff to greet people in a non-denominational way.

for all these people to be criticizing a company for not towing the religious/cultural line is ridiculous.

but once again, Trump is going to benefit from the politics of division.

I do see saying Merry Christmas as inclusive though. More so than Happy Holidays. Obviously we have a different idea of what inclusive really means.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

The liberals have been taking Christ out of Xmas for years.

It's not liberals. It's idiots. Most liberals do not want that done (I would know, I'm extremely liberal and absolutely disapprove and so does every other liberal person I know). The VAST majority of people think this kind of thing is ridiculous. The problem is idiots pandering to the lowest common denominator (which is also the minority).

I don't consider myself an idiot. I consider myself someone who likes everyone to feel welcome and included.

I wasn't calling you an idiot. I wasn't talking about people who choose to say Happy Holidays. I think either is fine.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

if I didn't have kids, I'd probably ignore christmas altogether. if you aren't christian, why the fuck spend all that money for no reason? I can get together with family for dinner and whatnot without making everyone shell out hundreds so we can keep the economy moving.

I tend to agree. If it weren't because of my mother, I'd totally ignore Christmas as far as that goes. I mean, I'd attend Christmas parties of course, and it's always nice to have a family dinner, but all the other stuff - gifts, spending, etc - no thanks. I'm not into it at all, and it's a crazy waste of money IMHO. But I'm forced to do it by my family. Of course if I had kids I'd do it for them.... for some reason. I guess so they're not considered weird, and so that they don't feel deprived when comparing themselves to what other kids are doing. But when I really think about it, it's super fucking shitty that we feel obligated to do this, since it means indoctrinating our children into the whole wasteful tradition.

PJfanwillneverleave1

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

the people who don't want to hear someone say Merry Christmas should have to work on that day and not take it as the national holiday and turn down any Christmas bonus and not attend a Christmas party if their company has one. don't want to hear it or celebrate the given holiday then don't take the benefits of said holiday.

and while Trump is an ass there are parts of the Missouri story that are kind of ridiculous.

I really don't believe anyone is legitimately offended by hearing it, at least not a significant number. it is the companies and businesses that are just saying "hey, let's try to include everyone". it's a PR thing. and they know full well that christmas being a religious holiday is on the decline. it's a marketing holiday.

but I agree with you. I think it's hogwash that I get several days off for no reason and other religions get nothing for their holiday. I think it should be set up federally that you get your chosen religious/spiritual holiday off, and on the other ones, you work. it would get sticky with christmas being one day and hannukah being 8, etc, but you get what I mean.

My God Is The Sun, so I'll gladly take an extra few days off in the summer. Weather permitting.

I'd start a new religion that said you can't work anytime the temperature is over 70 degrees.

I would start and enforce a Pearl Jam religion and it is applicable during tour dates. During said time I must be excused from work and paid time and a half.

callen

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

the people who don't want to hear someone say Merry Christmas should have to work on that day and not take it as the national holiday and turn down any Christmas bonus and not attend a Christmas party if their company has one. don't want to hear it or celebrate the given holiday then don't take the benefits of said holiday.

and while Trump is an ass there are parts of the Missouri story that are kind of ridiculous.

I really don't believe anyone is legitimately offended by hearing it, at least not a significant number. it is the companies and businesses that are just saying "hey, let's try to include everyone". it's a PR thing. and they know full well that christmas being a religious holiday is on the decline. it's a marketing holiday.

but I agree with you. I think it's hogwash that I get several days off for no reason and other religions get nothing for their holiday. I think it should be set up federally that you get your chosen religious/spiritual holiday off, and on the other ones, you work. it would get sticky with christmas being one day and hannukah being 8, etc, but you get what I mean.

My God Is The Sun, so I'll gladly take an extra few days off in the summer. Weather permitting.

I'd start a new religion that said you can't work anytime the temperature is over 70 degrees.

I would start and enforce a Pearl Jam religion and it is applicable during tour dates. During said time I must be excused from work and paid time and a half.

Pj concerts are indeed religious experience and becomes Ed's church.

josevolution

who cares about crap like this please there are so many more important issues to deal with here ....

PJfanwillneverleave1

josevolution said:

who cares about crap like this please there are so many more important issues to deal with here ....

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PJfanwillneverleave1

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Gern Blansten

December

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

if I didn't have kids, I'd probably ignore christmas altogether. if you aren't christian, why the fuck spend all that money for no reason? I can get together with family for dinner and whatnot without making everyone shell out hundreds so we can keep the economy moving.

I tend to agree. If it weren't because of my mother, I'd totally ignore Christmas as far as that goes. I mean, I'd attend Christmas parties of course, and it's always nice to have a family dinner, but all the other stuff - gifts, spending, etc - no thanks. I'm not into it at all, and it's a crazy waste of money IMHO. But I'm forced to do it by my family. Of course if I had kids I'd do it for them.... for some reason. I guess so they're not considered weird, and so that they don't feel deprived when comparing themselves to what other kids are doing. But when I really think about it, it's super fucking shitty that we feel obligated to do this, since it means indoctrinating our children into the whole wasteful tradition.

agreed....I mean seriously, a fucking christmas tree? Why?

My wife has finally given in to not hanging xmas lights outside....that's been a hard fought battle for years

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I hope you have a good Ramadan!

If I moved to a country that is historically Muslim I would not be offended by this and ask them to change their culture to fit mine. That is what we are asked though to do in the USA and all we are doing is creating a fragmented society instead of a country with shared ideals.

I celebrate christmas as a family tradition, not a religious one. I don't say merry christmas to anyone I don't know personally. people labelling it as "pc" is complete nonsense. it's called being inclusive.

that being said, i don't give a flying fuck if a company chooses to put santa or jesus or the cross or the menora or whathaveyou on their product. it's their right to do so. it is also their right to tell their staff to greet people in a non-denominational way.

for all these people to be criticizing a company for not towing the religious/cultural line is ridiculous.

but once again, Trump is going to benefit from the politics of division.

I do see saying Merry Christmas as inclusive though. More so than Happy Holidays. Obviously we have a different idea of what inclusive really means.

how is it more inclusive than HH? Happy Holidays ecompasses Christmas as WELL AS all the other religious traditions in December.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I hope you have a good Ramadan!

If I moved to a country that is historically Muslim I would not be offended by this and ask them to change their culture to fit mine. That is what we are asked though to do in the USA and all we are doing is creating a fragmented society instead of a country with shared ideals.

I celebrate christmas as a family tradition, not a religious one. I don't say merry christmas to anyone I don't know personally. people labelling it as "pc" is complete nonsense. it's called being inclusive.

that being said, i don't give a flying fuck if a company chooses to put santa or jesus or the cross or the menora or whathaveyou on their product. it's their right to do so. it is also their right to tell their staff to greet people in a non-denominational way.

for all these people to be criticizing a company for not towing the religious/cultural line is ridiculous.

but once again, Trump is going to benefit from the politics of division.

I do see saying Merry Christmas as inclusive though. More so than Happy Holidays. Obviously we have a different idea of what inclusive really means.

how is it more inclusive than HH? Happy Holidays ecompasses Christmas as WELL AS all the other religious traditions in December.

exactly

To me saying "HH" says "I am not sure what religion you practice but I wish you happiness in whatever capacity"

"Merry Xmas" says "I assume you are a christian just like me"