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  • seanwon
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    seanwon said:

    Take a walk on the wild side, Cap’n.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:

    Take a walk on the wild side, Cap’n.

    Doot doo-doot
    Do-doot
    Do do-do-do do
    Do do
    Do do
    Do-do-doo
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  • brianlux
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    OK, in all honesty, tell me none of all you boys and girls never cross-dressed or at least thought about it, right?  It's all good. (And yes, I'll admit it, I make a rather ugly woman, but oh well, at least I know.)
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:

    Take a walk on the wild side, Cap’n.

    Doot doo-doot
    Do-doot
    Do do-do-do do
    Do do
    Do do
    Do-do-doo
    And the colored girls sing……..
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:

    Take a walk on the wild side, Cap’n.

    Doot doo-doot
    Do-doot
    Do do-do-do do
    Do do
    Do do
    Do-do-doo
    And the colored girls sing……..
    You got it!
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:

    Take a walk on the wild side, Cap’n.

    Doot doo-doot
    Do-doot
    Do do-do-do do
    Do do
    Do do
    Do-do-doo
    And the colored girls sing……..
    You got it!
    :plus_one: 
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  • Vitalogensia
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    Anti-trans people understand there are such things as doctors that study this shit, and are likely way more intelligent than them about this topic, right?

    For the record I'm not looking for answers from anti-trans people here, as this is a rhetorical question.  (A link in case someone needs help understanding words: https://www.merriam-webster.com/)
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Vitalogensia said:
    Anti-trans people understand there are such things as doctors that study this shit, and are likely way more intelligent than them about this topic, right?

    For the record I'm not looking for answers from anti-trans people here, as this is a rhetorical question.  (A link in case someone needs help understanding words: https://www.merriam-webster.com/)
    Do you think people that have questions and concerns about competitions when we separate by gender as anti-trans?

    cause unfortunately like most topics I feel there are some valid questions and discussions but it always boils down to the 2 extremes yelling at each other, claiming superiority, and then just belittling each other.
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  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,197
    edited February 2024
    cincybearcat said:
    Vitalogensia said:
    Anti-trans people understand there are such things as doctors that study this shit, and are likely way more intelligent than them about this topic, right?

    For the record I'm not looking for answers from anti-trans people here, as this is a rhetorical question.  (A link in case someone needs help understanding words: https://www.merriam-webster.com/)
    Do you think people that have questions and concerns about competitions when we separate by gender as anti-trans?

    cause unfortunately like most topics I feel there are some valid questions and discussions but it always boils down to the 2 extremes yelling at each other, claiming superiority, and then just belittling each other.
    That depends on what those questions and concerns are.  If the nature of those questions and concerns are about the validity of being trans, absolutely.  I think it's an awareness problem, and if those questions and concerns are an attempt at good faith understanding, no: that's not anti-trans.

    To me, there should be no debate on whether trans people exist and have rights.  People that don't believe so deserve derision, just like anyone that would deny the existence and rights of any other marginalized group.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,406
    Vitalogensia said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Vitalogensia said:
    Anti-trans people understand there are such things as doctors that study this shit, and are likely way more intelligent than them about this topic, right?

    For the record I'm not looking for answers from anti-trans people here, as this is a rhetorical question.  (A link in case someone needs help understanding words: https://www.merriam-webster.com/)
    Do you think people that have questions and concerns about competitions when we separate by gender as anti-trans?

    cause unfortunately like most topics I feel there are some valid questions and discussions but it always boils down to the 2 extremes yelling at each other, claiming superiority, and then just belittling each other.
    That depends on what those questions and concerns are.  If the nature of those questions and concerns are about the validity of being trans, absolutely.  I think it's an awareness problem, and if those questions and concerns are an attempt at good faith understanding, no: that's not anti-trans.

    To me, there should be no debate on whether trans people exist and have rights.  People that don't believe so deserve derision, just like anyone that would deny the existence and rights of any other marginalized group.

    when it comes to sports, trans-women in most cases have unfair advantage from male physiology and hormones over the course of their life  women do not and cannot compete with realistically.

    Flip side trans-men are at a disadvantage competing against males in a given sport.

    now those folks who had benefit of hormone blockers and replacement therapies might have leveled that playing field , at least somewhat.

    so what's the answer?

    I think from a physiological standpoint alone,  Trans folks compete amongst themselves.

    is that diminishing?  IDK. But I do think we can't overlook the hardwork women put in to their chosen sport to be "equal" because clearly it is not.
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  • brianlux
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    Vitalogensia said:
    Anti-trans people understand there are such things as doctors that study this shit, and are likely way more intelligent than them about this topic, right?

    For the record I'm not looking for answers from anti-trans people here, as this is a rhetorical question.  (A link in case someone needs help understanding words: https://www.merriam-webster.com/)

    Who are the anti-trans people here?  And what are you trying to accomplish by linking an on line dictionary?  Seems an awful lot like bating to me.
    And by the way, I one one of these...  good reading!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited February 2024
    I have a connection to a teenager who is in this situation, where she is currently identifying as a trans girl. She decided this when she was 14 (I think she just turned 16). Her parents are incredibly supportive, even though they were blindsided by this decision completely. There is a hitch here though. Actually, several hitches. First, like I mentioned, this was a complete blindside. Literally nobody saw it coming, not even in hindsight, which is rather unusual. Usually there are some signs at least in retrospect. Secondly, and this is VERY concerning: This kid is a gifted child and goes to a gifted school. Hold on to your hats here, because it's disturbing. Apparently 70% of her grade 9 class at the time she decided to come out with this news ALSO identified as trans. Like, for real. But this doesn't seem to be a quick fad. It's been 2 years now. I should also note that she is dating and very in love with a trans male. So technically sexual preference hasn't changed at all. So I'm not ever going to bother addressing the elephants in the room. Obviously her parents are concerned that she isn't truly trans. Therefore, they discussed very seriously the options with their kid, and even she agrees that no medical steps will be taken, plus she agreed to see a psychiatrist to at the very least have professional help dealing with such a transition.

    Long story short, I don't know how this will turn out, but I won't be surprised in the least that she goes back to being a he at some point. I don't consider that a given at all, but it would not be surprising. And this 70% of the class identifying as trans thing... well that is obviously very surprising and seems strange. The school won't allow the parents to really interfere on the school level, although I would say that this is a peer social phenomenon rather than something the teachers are doing. In any case, I don't actually think this is really bad (I know many do), but it certainly is fascinating. I mean, it could signify a real change in how people will view sexual development and gender identity issues in adolescence as society evolves. I really don't see that as a negative or a positive, just a really interesting thing to ponder and pay attention to. The thing is, if acceptance of exploring alternative gender identifies is SO widely accepted in their peer group, I don't think I actually see the harm in that kind of exploration. The problems really come when there is not acceptance. All that said, this story explains why I support NOT allowing hormonal or surgical treatments for minors.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    PJ_Soul said:
    I have a connection to a teenager who is in this situation, where she is currently identifying as a trans girl. She decided this when she was 14 (I think she just turned 16). Her parents are incredibly supportive, even though they were blindsided by this decision completely. There is a hitch here though. Actually, several hitches. First, like I mentioned, this was a complete blindside. Literally nobody saw it coming, not even in hindsight, which is rather unusual. Usually there are some signs at least in retrospect. Secondly, and this is VERY concerning: This kid is a gifted child and goes to a gifted school. Hold on to your hats here, because it's disturbing. Apparently 70% of her grade 9 class at the time she decided to come out with this news ALSO identified as trans. Like, for real. But this doesn't seem to be a quick fad. It's been 2 years now. I should also note that she is dating and very in love with a trans male. So technically sexual preference hasn't changed at all. So I'm not ever going to bother addressing the elephants in the room. Obviously her parents are concerned that she isn't truly trans. Therefore, they discussed very seriously the options with their kid, and even she agrees that no medical steps will be taken, plus she agreed to see a psychiatrist to at the very least have professional help dealing with such a transition. 
    Long story short, I don't know how this will turn out, but I won't be surprised in the least that she goes back to being a he at some point. I don't consider that a given at all, but it would not be surprising. And this 70% of the class identifying as trans thing... well that is obviously very surprising and seems strange. The school won't allow the parents to really interfere on the school level, although I would say that this is a peer social phenomenon rather than something the teachers are doing. In any case, I don't actually think this is really bad (I know many do), but it certainly is fascinating. I mean, it could signify a real change in how people will view sexual development and gender identity issues in adolescence as society evolves. I really don't see that as a negative or a positive, just a really interesting thing to ponder and pay attention to. The thing is, if acceptance of exploring alternative gender identifies is SO widely accepted in their peer group, I don't think I actually see the harm in that kind of exploration. The problems really come when there is not acceptance. All that said, this story explains why I support NOT allowing hormonal or surgical treatments for minors.

    Interesting story, and I think it brings up a good point which I believe (I won't make any claims here to being an expert), I believe that very often what these kids are experiencing is a common issue of questioning their sexuality.  Paul Westerberg worded it very well in that great song, "Sixteen Blue":

    Brag about things you don't understand
    A girl and a woman, a boy and a man
    Everything's sexually vague
    Now you're wondering to yourself if you might be gay.

    I had a really good friend in my early college days who was smart, good looking, etc., and our other friends and I were always a little in awe of the beautiful women he attracted (and visa versa).  So we were all in mild shock when one day he told us he was coming out and living with a guy.  It just seemed so incongruous with who we perceived him to be.  But then it turned out to be kind of a phase and he eventually married a woman and had kids and remained heterosexual until the end of his life (sadly dying of cancer in his 50s).  So if this change of mind can happen to a man in his early 20s, the same can certainly happen with kids.  Or not, of course.  The point being, I would tell a kid, "For Pete's sake, don't undergo surgery or take related medications or whatever until you given yourself lime to grow up some more.  Question?  Sure.  Experiment safely?  Yeah, why not.  Just don't do something rash.  You have your whole life ahead of you!"
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,183
    PJ_Soul said:
    I have a connection to a teenager who is in this situation, where she is currently identifying as a trans girl. She decided this when she was 14 (I think she just turned 16). Her parents are incredibly supportive, even though they were blindsided by this decision completely. There is a hitch here though. Actually, several hitches. First, like I mentioned, this was a complete blindside. Literally nobody saw it coming, not even in hindsight, which is rather unusual. Usually there are some signs at least in retrospect. Secondly, and this is VERY concerning: This kid is a gifted child and goes to a gifted school. Hold on to your hats here, because it's disturbing. Apparently 70% of her grade 9 class at the time she decided to come out with this news ALSO identified as trans. Like, for real. But this doesn't seem to be a quick fad. It's been 2 years now. I should also note that she is dating and very in love with a trans male. So technically sexual preference hasn't changed at all. So I'm not ever going to bother addressing the elephants in the room. Obviously her parents are concerned that she isn't truly trans. Therefore, they discussed very seriously the options with their kid, and even she agrees that no medical steps will be taken, plus she agreed to see a psychiatrist to at the very least have professional help dealing with such a transition.

    Long story short, I don't know how this will turn out, but I won't be surprised in the least that she goes back to being a he at some point. I don't consider that a given at all, but it would not be surprising. And this 70% of the class identifying as trans thing... well that is obviously very surprising and seems strange. The school won't allow the parents to really interfere on the school level, although I would say that this is a peer social phenomenon rather than something the teachers are doing. In any case, I don't actually think this is really bad (I know many do), but it certainly is fascinating. I mean, it could signify a real change in how people will view sexual development and gender identity issues in adolescence as society evolves. I really don't see that as a negative or a positive, just a really interesting thing to ponder and pay attention to. The thing is, if acceptance of exploring alternative gender identifies is SO widely accepted in their peer group, I don't think I actually see the harm in that kind of exploration. The problems really come when there is not acceptance. All that said, this story explains why I support NOT allowing hormonal or surgical treatments for minors.

    I saw a great documentary on HBO years ago...wish I could remember the title, but I was amazed at how many trans people did just that, changed their sexual identity from male to female then dated/married a female to male.

    That statistic on 70% is kind of amazing. I think some of these stats relate to this just being in the mainstream more. Ever since the dawn of man there have been homosexuals and transgendered people. They were just too abused and mistreated to emerge.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    I do keep hearing (from the GOP) the arguments about schools promoting sex change operations, doctors encouraging 8 years olds to "get the surgery", etc. but I have yet to see any solid evidence of this. My guess is that there may have been some isolated cases and they are just getting blown out of proportion by the far right social media garbage machine.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    I do keep hearing (from the GOP) the arguments about schools promoting sex change operations, doctors encouraging 8 years olds to "get the surgery", etc. but I have yet to see any solid evidence of this. My guess is that there may have been some isolated cases and they are just getting blown out of proportion by the far right social media garbage machine.
    The right would like you to believe that this is a common occurrence of the sick liberal left and that there’s a vast conspiracy to force sex changes on everyone’s kids, from mothers who want their sons to be daughters, to gay teachers and health care professionals who want more gay people in society so their dating odds improve and that kids are being taken kicking and screaming and having their genitalia mutilated. They want you to believe it’s abuse and shouldn’t be allowed and yet they can’t point to any arrests or court cases of the abuser or abused being tried or rescued. All they can do is make ridiculous claims because they don’t agree nor approve of how some families choose to raise their children. Hey, but social media says it’s happening just like Comet Pizza was real.

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    Wait, Comet Pizza wasn't real?

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    F Me In The Brain said:
    Wait, Comet Pizza wasn't real?

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    Depends upon your definition of "real." We could meet at the bar at the Four Seasons to discuss, eh?
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    brianlux said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    No such thing as a trans gender kid. Hard stop.  End of discussion. If you feel otherwise, hope things go poorly for you the rest of your life.
    Stop abusing minors.  

    Adults can do whatever the fuck they want.


    Which part is abuse?
    Giving them hormone blockers, mutilating their genitals?  Allowing the kid to make decisions is mental abuse.

    Re-home them - they are better off in an orphanage then with a shitty mom trying to make her son a girl. It's sickening. 11 year olds shouldn't be able to say i wanna be a girl then chop his dick off.  Fuckin sick man.  People supporting this are just mind blowing how far they fallen.  Disgusting topic. 

    Once they turn 18 they can make whatever decisions they want.  I don't really follow gender identification if you are a dude who wants to pretend you a girl that is your right as an American. I support your right and decision, but you are still a dude. Who cares really what adults do.

    "Giving them hormone blockers, mutilating their genitals?  Allowing the kid to make decisions is mental abuse."
    That, to me, seems hard to argue against.  They may do these things, but we don't allow kids smoke or drink or have sex or drive before a certain age or go to war (etc.), so why would we allow them to take those kinds of meds or cut up their privates?  That would not make sense, so I agree with you.


    Sure. I also won't argue with "walking down the street and punching everyone in the face is physical abuse." But how often do either of these things occur?
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