I am absolutely flabbergasted at the vitriol being spewed here. people are applauding someone who unapologetically states that every human on the face of the planet is a piece of shit???
and dogs are loyal you say? really? NO SHIT. they are trained slaves owned by you. they are obedient to you. if you want to surround yourself with only beings that are subservient to you, that says more about you than it does about the rest of the humans that surround you.
Actually if you look into the history of dogs, Wolves got lazy.. Plain and simple.. The weakest of the packs began to follow humans, to make good on the bits and pieces of our throw away. Eventually we depended on them as much as the did so upon us. And no they are not slaves. They are natural followers, they seek leadership, that is in inborne instinct that will never go away! It is IN their DNA. I have worked with dogs and wolves for over 25 years now, and in all that time I have run into only THREE true Alpha personalities. Only 3 out of thousands. And of those, not one was in the wolf packs! The three I dealt with were DOGS.. Which in all respects is odd. But it just goes to show you, loyalty is IN A DOG'S DNA.. Period. It's faceted in there. They are loyal to the 'survival of the pack as a whole', not YOU specifically. As a human you are to be the leader, period, if you don't the dog will, plain and simple. It amazes me how many people look at their dogs as master slave sets.. There are just as many of THOSE people as the ones who think their dogs are equal to a child. ANY HUMAN INTHE HOUSEHOLD leads. Period. These days, it's not as simple as back in the days when lesser wolves chose to live as one with our packs.. Now we purchase dogs, we choose them.. I however stick to the letting the animal choose me. Which is why I don't have any dogs right now, well that and I can't afford to care for it proper at the moment.. But the cat, picked me.. I liked at seven kitties that day, went home, and my current kitty washed up on my doorstep, mid flood.. He accepted we had dogs, and made himself right at home! I took him t the vet to check for an owner, nothing.. Turned hkm into the shktrr for chance two for the possible owner, nothing.. So I Took him home.. I do the same with dogs and horses when I share my life with them. It's not entirely MY choice, which makes me love them all the more! So when a dog exhibits loyalty, it is because it is a survival instinct seen into their very being.. You can't train a dog to be loyal.. You don't have to. They just are. A dog is no lore a shave than your kids.. However, unlike your kids.. The dog's loyalty never dissipates, it is never swayed, and it never lies with anyone other than its lack.. Which includes your kids.. Not even you can say the same for the kids.. Because humans are able to think in suspended time.. Meaning we are able to think of events that haven't even occurred yet. In essence suspended time is how we develop the ability to worry.. Worry equals doubt, doubt causes unrest, unrest causes split decision, that causes disloyalty at tomes.. You NEVER suffer that with a dog.
And honestly, if you are so 'offended' by my original Post.. Harsh as that truth is.. Perhaps you are feeling a bit guilty of something I said in there?? Why else would my opinion offend you? Note.. The key word there is OPINION. In human psychology, I learned that offense is often borne of guilt.. Something to consider... Unlike most of you here, I developed this opinion because I only saw the shittiest of people growing up.. There was no reprieve. I didn't meet my first 'good ' human til I was 9. By four years old I had severe anger issues, I went to kindergarten ONE fucking day.... And they discovered that I had issues when I ripped a girl's braids off her head and then gave them Back to her.. That doesn't just HAPPEN..., that happened because by that age I'd gone through so much shit with other people that I learned to 'defend' myself, in the most brutal and effective way possible... The poor teachers had no clue how to deal with that.. When I got to the hospital, ( yes a mental hospital) they saw the cuts and bruises my own mother and her new found lover had inflicted.. Some of which required stitches.. All of which are still scars/ reminders on my arms. I spent three years in the hell of foster care, where I suffered even worse abuses, which also left scars, just in places you can't see on first glance, I CAN'T EVER have kids, because of the damage. My life was pretty much stolen from me before I ever got a chance to live it.. So there is a REASON behind my anger, what's the REASON behind your offense??
The homeless people with pets that I know care very deeply for their pets, which is often why they are homeless - very few rental units take pets, particularly dogs, so many people choose to live homeless with their pets than give them up and get housed. If you have a pet and lose your housing, you're in trouble. By and large I don't think the dogs care much about living outside, as long as they are with their owners. It isn't all about trying to get your sympathy.
I'm home today, currently watching Pit Bulls & Parolees. A homeless woman living with her dog in an abandoned hotel courtesy of Katrina had to go to the hospital. The crew went there, saw she had set up food and water for him - in fact, she refused to accept assistance with her health until she knew her dog was being taken care of.
Hell, if anyone's read or heard of Cesar Millan's story knows how he too was on that road.
And WH, as you have your reasons for where you stand, so do others. No one is more justified than anyone else.
And honestly, if you are so 'offended' by my original Post.. Harsh as that truth is.. Perhaps you are feeling a bit guilty of something I said in there?? Why else would my opinion offend you? Note.. The key word there is OPINION. In human psychology, I learned that offense is often borne of guilt.. Something to consider... Unlike most of you here, I developed this opinion because I only saw the shittiest of people growing up.. There was no reprieve. I didn't meet my first 'good ' human til I was 9. By four years old I had severe anger issues, I went to kindergarten ONE fucking day.... And they discovered that I had issues when I ripped a girl's braids off her head and then gave them Back to her.. That doesn't just HAPPEN..., that happened because by that age I'd gone through so much shit with other people that I learned to 'defend' myself, in the most brutal and effective way possible... The poor teachers had no clue how to deal with that.. When I got to the hospital, ( yes a mental hospital) they saw the cuts and bruises my own mother and her new found lover had inflicted.. Some of which required stitches.. All of which are still scars/ reminders on my arms. I spent three years in the hell of foster care, where I suffered even worse abuses, which also left scars, just in places you can't see on first glance, I CAN'T EVER have kids, because of the damage. My life was pretty much stolen from me before I ever got a chance to live it.. So there is a REASON behind my anger, what's the REASON behind your offense??
so by that psychology 101 blanket reasoning, if I find racism offensive, it's because I'm guilty of it too? really?
your personal experiences aren't necessarily transferrable to every other person's thought processes and how they deal with things. seriously. just because you've been through shit, doesn't make you the high authority on why others react to things the way they do.
the reason behind my original offence is as originally stated. I love animals. I love kids. someone telling me their animals are "equal" to my children tends to offend me as a parent feeling defensive of my children. it's pretty basic. nothing too deep about it. as said before, that's like me saying my goldfish is equal to your dog. it's all relative.
the reason behind my offense to your statement that if you saw a human burning alive alongside a dog, that you'd save the dog, I can honestly say that it goes without saying. I really have a hard time believing you are asking me to justify or explain my issue with that. I tend to interalize things and my first thought was of my daughter in a burning building with a dog, and you saving the dog. it infuriated me that someone could be so incredibly apathetic to human life. it, to be honest, disgusts me that a person has that thought process.
And honestly, if you are so 'offended' by my original Post.. Harsh as that truth is.. Perhaps you are feeling a bit guilty of something I said in there?? Why else would my opinion offend you? Note.. The key word there is OPINION. In human psychology, I learned that offense is often borne of guilt.. Something to consider... Unlike most of you here, I developed this opinion because I only saw the shittiest of people growing up.. There was no reprieve. I didn't meet my first 'good ' human til I was 9. By four years old I had severe anger issues, I went to kindergarten ONE fucking day.... And they discovered that I had issues when I ripped a girl's braids off her head and then gave them Back to her.. That doesn't just HAPPEN..., that happened because by that age I'd gone through so much shit with other people that I learned to 'defend' myself, in the most brutal and effective way possible... The poor teachers had no clue how to deal with that.. When I got to the hospital, ( yes a mental hospital) they saw the cuts and bruises my own mother and her new found lover had inflicted.. Some of which required stitches.. All of which are still scars/ reminders on my arms. I spent three years in the hell of foster care, where I suffered even worse abuses, which also left scars, just in places you can't see on first glance, I CAN'T EVER have kids, because of the damage. My life was pretty much stolen from me before I ever got a chance to live it.. So there is a REASON behind my anger, what's the REASON behind your offense??
so by that psychology 101 blanket reasoning, if I find racism offensive, it's because I'm guilty of it too? really?
your personal experiences aren't necessarily transferrable to every other person's thought processes and how they deal with things. seriously. just because you've been through shit, doesn't make you the high authority on why others react to things the way they do.
the reason behind my original offence is as originally stated. I love animals. I love kids. someone telling me their animals are "equal" to my children tends to offend me as a parent feeling defensive of my children. it's pretty basic. nothing too deep about it. as said before, that's like me saying my goldfish is equal to your dog. it's all relative.
the reason behind my offense to your statement that if you saw a human burning alive alongside a dog, that you'd save the dog, I can honestly say that it goes without saying. I really have a hard time believing you are asking me to justify or explain my issue with that. I tend to interalize things and my first thought was of my daughter in a burning building with a dog, and you saving the dog. it infuriated me that someone could be so incredibly apathetic to human life. it, to be honest, disgusts me that a person has that thought process.
It disgusts me that humans gave anyone a reason to arrive at that conclusion.
Here's the thing. Your kid will always, only be special to YOU. You are the only one that thinks your kid deserves greater affections than anything else. Only YOU think that about your kid. And honestly, I find that laughable.. Apathetic?? Yes. And with good reason. What has your daughter ever done that I should choose her over her dog? What has she ever done to prove she's more important to anyone other than YOU, or her mother?? Now as I stated before, kids have a small window of reprieve with me, because they haven't learned to be fucked up yet.... So in that instance yes, I'd save the kid first.. IN THE HOPES that the kid makes good life decisions and turns out to actually BE one of one billionth the population, and becomes a great human being. As for my personal experiences, that was stated to support the reason behind why I hate humans so deeply.. Apathetic?? Fuck yeah.. I have very very very rarely been given a reason to be sympathetic. Your kid isn't all that special to anyone but you.. I have NO good reason to favor her, period.
WH, sorry...I just can't get my head around your hating humans so deeply. I can see you despising those who fucked with you, but to extend that to people in general? I'm thankful I'm not on board with that. Good hearts and souls abound - whether they outnumber assholes or not takes nothing away from them, and their impact.
I'd kill to protect my niece and nephew, not to mention my husband. They're no longer children but are not sullied in my eyes simply by virtue of their now being adults. How can there be an age cut-off?
Again - no children of my own - but I respect and understand parents' fierce love and sense of protection over those they love.
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Sorry, man...whether or not you stand by your convictions (and whether or not made during work hours), expect to be called on them. We're all in that boat.
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Sorry, man...whether or not you stand by your convictions (and whether or not made during work hours), expect to be called on them. We're all in that boat.
Some people feel it different than you why does it have to be your way couldn't you just have said hey sorry for your loss and kept it moving ...I do have two kids a dog a cat a rabbit so yeah I know a bit about both ...
it wasn't HIS LOSS. read the thread. I could say the same.....why does it have to be his way? he was as adamant in his opinion as I am in mine. sorry, but when someone says something I disagree with, I usually tell them that. I'm not a dick. I can be honest without being a fucking asshole.
I usually just listen & keep it moving subject like this is not worth the difference of opinions ...
Here's the thing. Your kid will always, only be special to YOU. You are the only one that thinks your kid deserves greater affections than anything else. Only YOU think that about your kid. And honestly, I find that laughable.. Apathetic?? Yes. And with good reason. What has your daughter ever done that I should choose her over her dog? What has she ever done to prove she's more important to anyone other than YOU, or her mother?? Now as I stated before, kids have a small window of reprieve with me, because they haven't learned to be fucked up yet.... So in that instance yes, I'd save the kid first.. IN THE HOPES that the kid makes good life decisions and turns out to actually BE one of one billionth the population, and becomes a great human being. As for my personal experiences, that was stated to support the reason behind why I hate humans so deeply.. Apathetic?? Fuck yeah.. I have very very very rarely been given a reason to be sympathetic. Your kid isn't all that special to anyone but you.. I have NO good reason to favor her, period.
I guess that's where we differ. I find all humans to be worth something. my daughter doesn't need to prove to anyone (other than you, apparently) that she's worth saving over a dog.
my daughter is special to most, if not all, that know her, actually. it's really sad you feel you needed to say that. that is a really cruel thing to say.
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Post.. Harsh as that truth is.. Perhaps you are feeling a bit guilty of something I said in there?? Why else would my opinion offend you? Note.. The key word there is OPINION. In human psychology, I learned that offense is often borne of guilt.. Something to consider... Unlike most of you here, I developed this opinion because I only saw the shittiest of people growing up.. There was no reprieve. I didn't meet my first 'good ' human til I was 9. By four years old I had severe anger issues, I went to kindergarten ONE fucking day.... And they discovered that I had issues when I ripped a girl's braids off her head and then gave them
Back to her.. That doesn't just HAPPEN..., that happened because by that age I'd gone through so much shit with other people that I learned to 'defend' myself, in the most brutal and effective way possible... The poor teachers had no clue how to deal with that.. When I got to the hospital, ( yes a mental hospital) they saw the cuts and bruises my own mother and her new found lover had inflicted.. Some of which required stitches.. All of which are still scars/ reminders on my arms. I spent three years in the hell of foster care, where I suffered even worse abuses, which also left scars, just in places you can't see on first glance, I CAN'T EVER have kids, because of the damage. My life was pretty much stolen from me before I ever got a chance to live it.. So there is a REASON behind my anger, what's the REASON behind your offense??
Hell, if anyone's read or heard of Cesar Millan's story knows how he too was on that road.
And WH, as you have your reasons for where you stand, so do others. No one is more justified than anyone else.
We all got scars.
your personal experiences aren't necessarily transferrable to every other person's thought processes and how they deal with things. seriously. just because you've been through shit, doesn't make you the high authority on why others react to things the way they do.
the reason behind my original offence is as originally stated. I love animals. I love kids. someone telling me their animals are "equal" to my children tends to offend me as a parent feeling defensive of my children. it's pretty basic. nothing too deep about it. as said before, that's like me saying my goldfish is equal to your dog. it's all relative.
the reason behind my offense to your statement that if you saw a human burning alive alongside a dog, that you'd save the dog, I can honestly say that it goes without saying. I really have a hard time believing you are asking me to justify or explain my issue with that. I tend to interalize things and my first thought was of my daughter in a burning building with a dog, and you saving the dog. it infuriated me that someone could be so incredibly apathetic to human life. it, to be honest, disgusts me that a person has that thought process.
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I'd kill to protect my niece and nephew, not to mention my husband. They're no longer children but are not sullied in my eyes simply by virtue of their now being adults. How can there be an age cut-off?
Again - no children of my own - but I respect and understand parents' fierce love and sense of protection over those they love.
It was meant to be funny.
my daughter is special to most, if not all, that know her, actually. it's really sad you feel you needed to say that. that is a really cruel thing to say.
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