I know we all have our opinions .... I certainly have one about the protests. I try to challenge myself some on my opinion as I do understand that if the protest isn't making things uncomfortable or difficult it might not be very successful. But for those of you more aligned with the thought process that nothing yet the protestors have done should warrant any React, Respond (sorry had to include)....what could protestors/protests due that would have you believing it is ok for school admins to have them removed?
For me, it was when then caused a disruption for the school and students...making classes hybrid or cancelling. I know for many that is way to early and not their line. Just wondering. And for me, more force becomes appropriate the moment they break into and occupy buildings, etc.
Also - wondering what people think is fair vs unfair treatment of the students involved....discipline from school...expulsion....suspension....etc.
For me, once you fail to vacate when asked, it is appropriate for the school to take down information and have a discussion with each student to determine if any permanent record type stuff is warranted. Though I would lean towards no, unless specific incidents can be cited.
Once you break into a building and refuse to leave, school should follow same disciplinary process as if it occurred without the protest going on.
And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school. Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.
It's the same class that lost high school graduation die to covid, now losing it due to protests.
You're right. My son is in that class and he's a college senior. He said campus was quiet until yesterday when some protests started. He and his friends think they are wasting their time.
And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school. Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.
It's the same class that lost high school graduation die to covid, now losing it due to protests.
You're right. My son is in that class and he's a college senior. He said campus was quiet until yesterday when some protests started. He and his friends think they are wasting their time.
I just read this on WashPo. While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election. Megan McArdle is pretty good.
And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school. Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.
It's the same class that lost high school graduation die to covid, now losing it due to protests.
You're right. My son is in that class and he's a college senior. He said campus was quiet until yesterday when some protests started. He and his friends think they are wasting their time.
Didn’t even realize. Sorry.
It's fine. He is walking, as of now. But really, in the grand scheme of things, these are blips in life. He is privileged.
I just read this on WashPo. While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election. Megan McArdle is pretty good.
I just read this on WashPo. While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election. Megan McArdle is pretty good.
I just read this on WashPo. While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election. Megan McArdle is pretty good.
Democratic politicians aren’t looking for student protesters’ support
To push their cause successfully, the demonstrators should reconsider their tactics.
It's s good op-ed... thanks for sharing.
This article raises a good point, a few colleges changing investment policies is going to do nothing to influence this war.
However, the United States, Congress, and the United States president, and just passed a law sending billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. That’s the issue right there. The United States has decided to support its main ally in a region, the only democratic and free nation in the region, which is dominated by authoritarian governments.
If these young people, whose some still consider children, think that supporting authoritarianism terrorist nations is good policy, let them go to Washington - Protest there and tell their leader ship exactly what they want. “We want to support authoritarian terrorist nations “
and let them see first hand what that gets them in their own country this November
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Gasp, apparently so. But you won’t get any acknowledgment or ownership or responsibility for it around these parts.
It’s Time to Confront Israel’s Version of “From the River to the Sea”
Far from being a mere slogan, the phrase captures both the longtime ambitions of the Israeli right and the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967.R’S NOTE: The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977The slogan “from the river to the sea” apparently has great power, so great that it led the US House of Representatives to censure one of its members who invoked it, and Columbia University to shut down two student organizations whose members repeated it, Jewish Voice for Peace and Students for Justice in Palestine. Other universities have since followed suit. While these august bodies engaged in deliberations about the grave breaches that mouthing these words entailed, over 100 children per day were dying in Gaza under a rain of tens of thousands of Israeli bombs, rockets, missiles, and artillery shells, many manufactured by American companies in which Columbia University has invested and paid for by US taxpayers.Meanwhile, Israeli ministers were talking about inflicting “Nakba 2023” on Gaza (an echo of Israel’s 1948 ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians); over 1.7 million Gazans had been forced from their homes; over 14,000 had been killed (nearly 6000 of them children) and 30,000 wounded; most hospitals had been put out of service; and half the structures in the Gaza Strip had been destroyed or damaged. Beyond these numbers—and for many, they were just numbers, for how can you illustrate the names, faces, and personal stories of thousands of dead men, women, and children, especially when their tormentors have turned off the electricity and, at times, Internet and phone communications, and prevented Western journalists from being present to witness their ordeal?—lay some brutal facts.From the first day of this war, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, who said Israel was fighting “human animals,” ordered the cutting off not only of electricity but also supplies of water, medicine, food and fuel, in breach of Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, which requires “the free passage of all consignments of medical and hospital stores and…all consignments of essential foodstuffs.” While President Biden has called for the delivery of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, the United States has so far done little to make it happen, beyond persuading Israel to allow entry of a tiny trickle of relief supplies (excluding fuel), as if the US has no power to do anything more.
Cutting off these commodities, as well as water, electricity, and fuel, constitutes a war crime, no less than does the killing of noncombatants, whether Israeli or Palestinian, or the mass expulsion of 1.7 million people from one part of the Gaza Strip to another. But the Biden administration and its Western allies not only refuse to call for a halt to the bombing and ethnic cleansing. They cannot even bring themselves to demand, on pain of sanctions, that Israel turn on the electricity and water taps, or that Israel allow the delivery of the hundreds of trucks of medicine, food, and fuel a day that are needed to supply the needs of 2.3 million people, most of them children. The commander in chief is unwilling to order the huge American fleet stationed nearby in the Mediterranean to deliver the requisite supplies to Gaza and evacuate the multitude of wounded, which could easily be done, irrespective of the wishes of the besiegers.Against the callousness of those in power who refuse to impose a halt to Israel’s rain of fire on the Gaza Strip, stand a few courageous members of Congress, campus demonstrators, and behind them huge numbers of citizens enraged at their country’s participation in the slaughter and collective punishment of the civilian population of Gaza. Instead of applauding their courage in demanding accountability for mass murder and ethnic cleansing, a shameless Congress and a spineless university administration hold them to account for use of a phrase demanding freedom in the entirety of their homeland for a people which, since 1917, has suffered under foreign rule and has never been allowed self-determination. Somehow, in the “land of the free” a call for Palestinian freedom becomes an odious and hateful demand.The crowning irony regarding claims about the hatefulness of such a phrase—one university administrator described it as “genocidal”—is that this idea is far more than a simple slogan where Israel is concerned. Rather, it captures the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967. Israel controls all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, an area that for all intents and purposes constitutes a single state under a single security regime and a single sovereignty.The drive to establish the “Greater Land of Israel” is the central ideological goal of the Likud Party, which has dominated Israeli politics since 1977. The commitment to Greater Israel was enshrined in the “Basic Laws” of the Israeli state in 2018 when the Knesset passed the “Nation State of the Jewish People” law. This law states that the right to national self-determination in Palestine “is unique to the Jewish People” and that “the State views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value, and shall act to encourage and promote its establishment and strengthening.” This commitment is one of the “guiding principles” of the current Israeli government, which stated that “the Jewish people have an exclusive and inalienable right to all parts of the Land of Israel,” including “Judea and Samaria.”Thus, on one side, we have students and a politician representing the demands of tens of millions of citizens who call for freedom for the Palestinians. On the other, we have the power of the American state supporting the core policies of Israel’s government that over the past few decades has acted ceaselessly to ensure that “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Rather than focusing on real war crimes designed to uphold Israel’s exclusive sovereignty over the entirety of historic Palestine from the river to the sea, the priorities of Congress and the paragons of the Ivy League lie elsewhere, as is evidenced by their disgraceful, laser-like focus on completely spurious thought crimes.https://www.thenation.com/article/world/its-time-to-confront-israels-version-of-from-the-river-to-the-sea/
The garbage posts, seven months later, never cease. Israel walked out of Gaza nearly twenty years ago and a terrorist org now worth twelve billion dollars immediately took over
is twelve billion enough to put up a couple power plants, wind farms and solar panels and feed their people? When there is no democracy there is zero accountability.
So if israel walks out of the West Bank, what happens? More college kid supported terrorism. West Bank is currently divided as the result of a negotiated peace treaty. If a country in the civilized world doesn’t like a treaty they try to negotiate a better one. But not authoritarians and terrorists. They just start wars and then cry to the college kids when they lose.
The garbage posts, seven months later, never cease. Israel walked out of Gaza nearly twenty years ago and a terrorist org now worth twelve billion dollars immediately took over
is twelve billion enough to put up a couple power plants, wind farms and solar panels and feed their people? When there is no democracy there is zero accountability.
So if israel walks out of the West Bank, what happens? More college kid supported terrorism. West Bank is currently divided as the result of a negotiated peace treaty. If a country in the civilized world doesn’t like a treaty they try to negotiate a better one. But not authoritarians and terrorists. They just start wars and then cry to the college kids when they lose.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The garbage posts, seven months later, never cease. Israel walked out of Gaza nearly twenty years ago and a terrorist org now worth twelve billion dollars immediately took over
is twelve billion enough to put up a couple power plants, wind farms and solar panels and feed their people? When there is no democracy there is zero accountability.
So if israel walks out of the West Bank, what happens? More college kid supported terrorism. West Bank is currently divided as the result of a negotiated peace treaty. If a country in the civilized world doesn’t like a treaty they try to negotiate a better one. But not authoritarians and terrorists. They just start wars and then cry to the college kids when they lose.
As I predicted, no acknowledgement, ownership or responsibility of Israel’s claim to “river to the sea” and the political machinations since 1977 to make it possible. Israel isn’t at fault for anything, anytime and to claim otherwise makes one an antisemite. A nuclear power wiping out innocents 7 months later and you’re claiming “college kids are supporting terrorism?”
Well looki here, there is some hope at some college campuses after-all…. So proud of these Frat boys Defending the flag from these Loser cowards hiding behind masks and FREE Speech... If only some of these little shits at these encampments/rallies would do a year abroad in a Sharia law Middle East country, especially the LGBQT ones. Ever hear what they use as soccer balls in some of these countries???
Hope the Bro boys hit a million by the weekend and have a huge rager, well played boys!!
Well looki here, there is some hope at some college campuses after-all…. So proud of these Frat boys Defending the flag from these Loser cowards hiding behind masks and FREE Speech... If only some of these little shits at these encampments/rallies would do a year abroad in a Sharia law Middle East country, especially the LGBQT ones. Ever hear what they use as soccer balls in some of these countries???
Hope the Bro boys hit a million by the weekend and have a huge rager, well played boys!!
I'm not sure giving $ to fraternities at exclusive universities is the answer, nor needed, but it clearly shows what I think is most of the public sentiment. Did I miss it...did it say how many people donated?
Taking down the US flag and putting up a Palestinian flag was the #1 most stupid thing I've seen during these protests. Not the worst thing as any violence is obviously #1 and destroying property #2...but what a dumbass move. Really helped tilt the power of the people in your direction with that one.
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Does anyone really pay attention to the thoughts of that Looney Toon anymore? My Jewish friends sure don’t….Yo
I'm grateful Sanders is saying what I, and I suspect many other Jews, have felt for a long time. He wants a distinction between legitimate criticism and anti-Semitism, and not a blanket 'anti-Semitism' response to criticism.
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Netanyahu uses Holocaust ceremony to brush off international pressure against Gaza offensive
By MELANIE LIDMAN
Today
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday rejected international pressure to halt the war in Gaza in a fiery speech marking the country’s annual Holocaust memorial day, declaring: “If Israel is forced to stand alone, Israel will stand alone.”
The message, delivered in a setting that typically avoids politics, was aimed at the growing chorus of world leaders who have criticized the heavy toll caused by Israel’s military offensive against Hamas militants and have urged the sides to agree to a cease-fire.
Netanyahu has said he is open to a deal that would pause nearly seven months of fighting and bring home hostages held by Hamas. But he also says he remains committed to an invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah, despite widespread international opposition because of the more than 1 million civilians huddled there.
“I say to the leaders of the world: No amount of pressure, no decision by any international forum will stop Israel from defending itself,” he said, speaking in English. “Never again is now.”
Yom Hashoah, the day Israel observes as a memorial for the 6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany and its allies in the Holocaust, is one of the most solemn dates on the country’s calendar. Speeches at the ceremony generally avoid politics, though Netanyahu in recent years has used the occasion to lash out at Israel's archenemy Iran.
The ceremony ushered in Israel’s first Holocaust remembrance day since the Oct. 7 Hamas attack that sparked the war, imbuing the already somber day with additional meaning.
Hamas militants killed some 1,200 people in the attack, making it the deadliest violence against Jews since the Holocaust.
Israel responded with an air and ground offensive in Gaza, where the death toll has soared to more than 34,500 people, according to local health officials, and about 80% of Gaza’s 2.3 million people are displaced. The death and destruction has prompted South Africa to file a genocide case against Israel in the U.N.’s world court. Israel strongly rejects the charges.
On Sunday, Netanyahu attacked those accusing Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinians, claiming that Israel was doing everything possible to ensure the entry of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
The 24-hour memorial period began after sundown on Sunday with a ceremony at Yad Vashem, Israel’s national Holocaust memorial, in Jerusalem.
There are approximately 245,000 living Holocaust survivors around the world, according to the Claims Conference, an organization that negotiates for material compensation for Holocaust survivors. Approximately half of the survivors live in Israel.
On Sunday, Tel Aviv University and the Anti-Defamation League released an annual Antisemitism Worldwide Report for 2023, which found a sharp increase in antisemitic attacks globally.
It said the number of antisemitic incidents in the United States doubled, from 3,697 in 2022 to 7,523 in 2023.
While most of these incidents occurred after the war erupted in October, the number of antisemitic incidents, which include vandalism, harassment, assault, and bomb threats, from January to September was already significantly higher than the previous year.
The report found an average of three bomb threats per day at synagogues and Jewish institutions in the U.S., more than 10 times the number in 2022.
Other countries tracked similar rises in antisemitic incidents. In France, the number nearly quadrupled, from 436 in 2022 to 1,676 in 2023, while it more than doubled in the United Kingdom and Canada.
“In the aftermath of the October 7 war crimes committed by Hamas, the world has seen the worst wave of antisemitic incidents since the end of the Second World War,” the report stated.
Netanyahu also compared the recent wave of protests on American campuses to German universities in the 1930s, in the runup to the Holocaust. He condemned the “explosion of a volcano of antisemitism spitting out boiling lava of lies against us around the world.”
Nearly 2,500 students have been arrested in a wave of protests at U.S. college campuses, while there have been smaller protests in other countries, including France. Protesters reject antisemitism accusations and say they are criticizing Israel. Campuses and the federal government are struggling to define exactly where political speech crosses into antisemitism.
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The garbage posts, seven months later, never cease. Israel walked out of Gaza nearly twenty years ago and a terrorist org now worth twelve billion dollars immediately took over
is twelve billion enough to put up a couple power plants, wind farms and solar panels and feed their people? When there is no democracy there is zero accountability.
So if israel walks out of the West Bank, what happens? More college kid supported terrorism. West Bank is currently divided as the result of a negotiated peace treaty. If a country in the civilized world doesn’t like a treaty they try to negotiate a better one. But not authoritarians and terrorists. They just start wars and then cry to the college kids when they lose.
As I predicted, no acknowledgement, ownership or responsibility of Israel’s claim to “river to the sea” and the political machinations since 1977 to make it possible. Israel isn’t at fault for anything, anytime and to claim otherwise makes one an antisemite. A nuclear power wiping out innocents 7 months later and you’re claiming “college kids are supporting terrorism?”
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Where the fuck did I say any of that?
So you’d be ok with the heirs of Hirohito ruling Japan today?
The garbage posts, seven months later, never cease. Israel walked out of Gaza nearly twenty years ago and a terrorist org now worth twelve billion dollars immediately took over
is twelve billion enough to put up a couple power plants, wind farms and solar panels and feed their people? When there is no democracy there is zero accountability.
So if israel walks out of the West Bank, what happens? More college kid supported terrorism. West Bank is currently divided as the result of a negotiated peace treaty. If a country in the civilized world doesn’t like a treaty they try to negotiate a better one. But not authoritarians and terrorists. They just start wars and then cry to the college kids when they lose.
As I predicted, no acknowledgement, ownership or responsibility of Israel’s claim to “river to the sea” and the political machinations since 1977 to make it possible. Israel isn’t at fault for anything, anytime and to claim otherwise makes one an antisemite. A nuclear power wiping out innocents 7 months later and you’re claiming “college kids are supporting terrorism?”
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Where the fuck did I say any of that?
So you’d be ok with the heirs of Hirohito ruling Japan today?
You’ve been highly critical of the student protesters chanting the same and expressing their freedom of speech while failing to acknowledge the Israeli government’s history of the phrase and actual real actions of making it a reality. You seem to ignore a very long list of nefarious Israeli actions in the history of this conflict.
Hamas accepts Gaza cease-fire; Israel says it will continue talks but launches strikes in Rafah
By SAM MEDNICK, JOSEF FEDERMAN and BASSEM MROUE
16 mins ago
JERUSALEM (AP) — After Hamas on Monday announced its acceptance of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal, Israel said its leaders approved a military operation in the southern Gaza town of Rafah and began striking targets in the area. Still, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he would send negotiators to continue talks on the deal.
The high-stakes diplomatic moves and military brinkmanship left a glimmer of hope alive — but only barely — for an accord that could bring at least a pause in the 7-month-old war that has devastated the Gaza Strip. Hanging over the wrangling was the threat of an all-out Israeli assault on Rafah, a move that the United States strongly opposes and that aid groups warn will be disastrous for some 1.4 million Palestinians taking refuge there.
Hamas's abrupt acceptance of the cease-fire deal came hours after Israel ordered an evacuation of Palestinians from eastern neighborhoods of Rafah, signaling an invasion was imminent.
Netanyahu’s office said that the proposal Hamas accepted was “far from Israel’s essential demands,” but that it would nonetheless send negotiators to continue talks on a deal.
At the same time, the Israeli military said it was conducting “targeted strikes” against Hamas in eastern Rafah. The nature of the strikes was not immediately known, but the move may aim to keep the pressure of the Rafah threat on as talks continue.
President Joe Biden spoke with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and reiterated U.S. concerns about an invasion of Rafah, telling him a cease-fire was the best way to protect the lives of Israeli hostages, according to a National Security Council spokesperson, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the call before an official White House statement was released.
U.S. State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said American officials were reviewing the Hamas response "and discussing it with our partners in the region.” An American official said the U.S. was examining whether Hamas agreed to a version of the deal that had been signed off on by Israel and international negotiators or something else.
Details of the proposal have not been released. Touring the region last week, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken had pressed Hamas to take the deal, and Egyptian officials said it called for a cease-fire of multiple stages starting with a limited hostage release and partial Israeli troop pullbacks within Gaza. The two sides would also negotiate a “permanent calm” that would lead to a full hostage release and greater Israeli withdrawal out of the territory, they said.
Hamas had been seeking clearer guarantees for its key demand of an end to the war and complete Israeli withdrawal in return for the release of all its hostages, according to Egyptian officials. It was not immediately known if any changes were made.
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have repeatedly rejected that trade-off, vowing to keep up their campaign until Hamas is destroyed after its Oct. 7 attack on Israel that triggered the war.
Israel says Rafah is the last significant Hamas stronghold in Gaza, and Netanyahu said Monday that the offensive against the town was vital to ensuring the militants can’t rebuild their military capabilities.
But he faces strong American opposition. After the Israeli evacuation order was issued, Miller said the U.S. has not seen a credible and implementable plan to protect Palestinian civilians. “We cannot support an operation in Rafah as it is currently envisioned,” he said.
The looming operation has raised global alarm. Aid agencies have warned that an offensive will bring a surge of more civilian deaths in an Israeli campaign that has already killed 34,000 people and devastated the territory. It could also wreck the humanitarian aid operation based out of Rafah that is keeping Palestinians across the Gaza Strip alive, they say.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk on Monday called the evacuation order “inhumane.”
“Gazans continue to be hit with bombs, disease, and even famine. And today, they have been told that they must relocate yet again," he said. "It will only expose them to more danger and misery.
Israeli military leaflets were dropped ordering evacuation from eastern neighborhoods of Rafah, warning that an attack was imminent and anyone who stays “puts themselves and their family members in danger.” Text messages and radio broadcasts repeated the message.
The military told people to move to an Israel-declared humanitarian zone called Muwasi, a makeshift camp on the coast. It said Israel has expanded the size of the zone and that it included tents, food, water and field hospitals.
It wasn't immediately clear, however, if that was already in place.
Around 450,000 displaced Palestinians already are sheltering in Muwasi. The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, known as UNRWA, said it has been providing them with aid. But conditions are squalid, with few bathrooms or sanitation facilities in the largely rural area, forcing families to dig private latrines.
The evacuation order left Palestinians in Rafah wrestling with having to uproot their families once again for an unknown fate, exhausted after months living in sprawling tent camps or crammed into schools or other shelters in and around the city.
Mohammed Jindiyah said that at the beginning of the war, he had tried to hold out in his home in northern Gaza under heavy bombardment before fleeing to Rafah.
He is complying with Israel's evacuation order this time, but was unsure now whether to move to Muwasi or another town in central Gaza.
“We are 12 families, and we don’t know where to go. There is no safe area in Gaza,” he said.
Sahar Abu Nahel, who fled to Rafah with 20 family members, including her children and grandchildren, wiped tears from her cheeks, despairing at a new move.
“I have no money or anything. I am seriously tired, as are the children,” she said. “Maybe it’s more honorable for us to die. We are being humiliated.”
Jan Egeland, secretary-general of the Norwegian Refugee Council, condemned the “forced, unlawful” evacuation order and the idea that people should go to Muwasi.
“The area is already overstretched and devoid of vital services,” Egeland said. He said that an Israeli assault could lead to “the deadliest phase of this war.”
Israel’s bombardment and ground offensives in Gaza have killed more than 34,700 Palestinians, around two-thirds of them children and women, according to Gaza health officials. The tally doesn't distinguish between civilians and combatants. More than 80% of the population of 2.3 million have been driven from their homes, and hundreds of thousands in the north are on the brink of famine, according to the U.N.
Tensions escalated Sunday when Hamas fired rockets at Israeli troops positioned on the border with Gaza near Israel’s main crossing for delivering humanitarian aid, killing four soldiers. Israel shuttered the crossing.
Meanwhile, Israeli airstrikes on Rafah killed 22 people, including children and two infants.
The war was sparked by the unprecedented Oct. 7 raid into southern Israel in which Hamas and other militants killed around 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducted around 250 hostages. After exchanges during a November cease-fire, Hamas is believed to still hold about 100 Israelis as well the bodies of around 30 others.
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Mroue reported from Beirut. Samy Magdy in Cairo and Zeke Miller in Washington contributed.
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For me, it was when then caused a disruption for the school and students...making classes hybrid or cancelling. I know for many that is way to early and not their line. Just wondering. And for me, more force becomes appropriate the moment they break into and occupy buildings, etc.
Also - wondering what people think is fair vs unfair treatment of the students involved....discipline from school...expulsion....suspension....etc.
For me, once you fail to vacate when asked, it is appropriate for the school to take down information and have a discussion with each student to determine if any permanent record type stuff is warranted. Though I would lean towards no, unless specific incidents can be cited.
Once you break into a building and refuse to leave, school should follow same disciplinary process as if it occurred without the protest going on.
https://wapo.st/3xZwiEZ
Democratic politicians aren’t looking for student protesters’ support
To push their cause successfully, the demonstrators should reconsider their tactics.
If these young people, whose some still consider children, think that supporting authoritarianism terrorist nations is good policy, let them go to Washington - Protest there and tell their leader ship exactly what they want. “We want to support authoritarian terrorist nations “
and let them see first hand what that gets them in their own country this November
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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It’s Time to Confront Israel’s Version of “From the River to the Sea”
Far from being a mere slogan, the phrase captures both the longtime ambitions of the Israeli right and the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967.R’S NOTE: The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977The slogan “from the river to the sea” apparently has great power, so great that it led the US House of Representatives to censure one of its members who invoked it, and Columbia University to shut down two student organizations whose members repeated it, Jewish Voice for Peace and Students for Justice in Palestine. Other universities have since followed suit. While these august bodies engaged in deliberations about the grave breaches that mouthing these words entailed, over 100 children per day were dying in Gaza under a rain of tens of thousands of Israeli bombs, rockets, missiles, and artillery shells, many manufactured by American companies in which Columbia University has invested and paid for by US taxpayers.Meanwhile, Israeli ministers were talking about inflicting “Nakba 2023” on Gaza (an echo of Israel’s 1948 ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians); over 1.7 million Gazans had been forced from their homes; over 14,000 had been killed (nearly 6000 of them children) and 30,000 wounded; most hospitals had been put out of service; and half the structures in the Gaza Strip had been destroyed or damaged. Beyond these numbers—and for many, they were just numbers, for how can you illustrate the names, faces, and personal stories of thousands of dead men, women, and children, especially when their tormentors have turned off the electricity and, at times, Internet and phone communications, and prevented Western journalists from being present to witness their ordeal?—lay some brutal facts.From the first day of this war, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, who said Israel was fighting “human animals,” ordered the cutting off not only of electricity but also supplies of water, medicine, food and fuel, in breach of Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, which requires “the free passage of all consignments of medical and hospital stores and…all consignments of essential foodstuffs.” While President Biden has called for the delivery of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, the United States has so far done little to make it happen, beyond persuading Israel to allow entry of a tiny trickle of relief supplies (excluding fuel), as if the US has no power to do anything more.
Cutting off these commodities, as well as water, electricity, and fuel, constitutes a war crime, no less than does the killing of noncombatants, whether Israeli or Palestinian, or the mass expulsion of 1.7 million people from one part of the Gaza Strip to another. But the Biden administration and its Western allies not only refuse to call for a halt to the bombing and ethnic cleansing. They cannot even bring themselves to demand, on pain of sanctions, that Israel turn on the electricity and water taps, or that Israel allow the delivery of the hundreds of trucks of medicine, food, and fuel a day that are needed to supply the needs of 2.3 million people, most of them children. The commander in chief is unwilling to order the huge American fleet stationed nearby in the Mediterranean to deliver the requisite supplies to Gaza and evacuate the multitude of wounded, which could easily be done, irrespective of the wishes of the besiegers.Against the callousness of those in power who refuse to impose a halt to Israel’s rain of fire on the Gaza Strip, stand a few courageous members of Congress, campus demonstrators, and behind them huge numbers of citizens enraged at their country’s participation in the slaughter and collective punishment of the civilian population of Gaza. Instead of applauding their courage in demanding accountability for mass murder and ethnic cleansing, a shameless Congress and a spineless university administration hold them to account for use of a phrase demanding freedom in the entirety of their homeland for a people which, since 1917, has suffered under foreign rule and has never been allowed self-determination. Somehow, in the “land of the free” a call for Palestinian freedom becomes an odious and hateful demand.The crowning irony regarding claims about the hatefulness of such a phrase—one university administrator described it as “genocidal”—is that this idea is far more than a simple slogan where Israel is concerned. Rather, it captures the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967. Israel controls all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, an area that for all intents and purposes constitutes a single state under a single security regime and a single sovereignty.The drive to establish the “Greater Land of Israel” is the central ideological goal of the Likud Party, which has dominated Israeli politics since 1977. The commitment to Greater Israel was enshrined in the “Basic Laws” of the Israeli state in 2018 when the Knesset passed the “Nation State of the Jewish People” law. This law states that the right to national self-determination in Palestine “is unique to the Jewish People” and that “the State views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value, and shall act to encourage and promote its establishment and strengthening.” This commitment is one of the “guiding principles” of the current Israeli government, which stated that “the Jewish people have an exclusive and inalienable right to all parts of the Land of Israel,” including “Judea and Samaria.”Thus, on one side, we have students and a politician representing the demands of tens of millions of citizens who call for freedom for the Palestinians. On the other, we have the power of the American state supporting the core policies of Israel’s government that over the past few decades has acted ceaselessly to ensure that “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.” Rather than focusing on real war crimes designed to uphold Israel’s exclusive sovereignty over the entirety of historic Palestine from the river to the sea, the priorities of Congress and the paragons of the Ivy League lie elsewhere, as is evidenced by their disgraceful, laser-like focus on completely spurious thought crimes.https://www.thenation.com/article/world/its-time-to-confront-israels-version-of-from-the-river-to-the-sea/
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is twelve billion enough to put up a couple power plants, wind farms and solar panels and feed their people? When there is no democracy there is zero accountability.
funded in part by bibi and his ilk. spare us.
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Taking down the US flag and putting up a Palestinian flag was the #1 most stupid thing I've seen during these protests. Not the worst thing as any violence is obviously #1 and destroying property #2...but what a dumbass move. Really helped tilt the power of the people in your direction with that one.
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I'm grateful Sanders is saying what I, and I suspect many other Jews, have felt for a long time. He wants a distinction between legitimate criticism and anti-Semitism, and not a blanket 'anti-Semitism' response to criticism.
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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday rejected international pressure to halt the war in Gaza in a fiery speech marking the country’s annual Holocaust memorial day, declaring: “If Israel is forced to stand alone, Israel will stand alone.”
The message, delivered in a setting that typically avoids politics, was aimed at the growing chorus of world leaders who have criticized the heavy toll caused by Israel’s military offensive against Hamas militants and have urged the sides to agree to a cease-fire.
Netanyahu has said he is open to a deal that would pause nearly seven months of fighting and bring home hostages held by Hamas. But he also says he remains committed to an invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah, despite widespread international opposition because of the more than 1 million civilians huddled there.
“I say to the leaders of the world: No amount of pressure, no decision by any international forum will stop Israel from defending itself,” he said, speaking in English. “Never again is now.”
ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR
A Holocaust survivor will mark that history differently after the horrors of Oct. 7
A look at commencement ceremonies as US campuses are roiled by protests over the Israel-Hamas war
Israel orders Al Jazeera to close its local operation and seizes some of its equipment
Hamas says latest cease-fire talks have ended. Israel vows military operation in 'very near future'
Yom Hashoah, the day Israel observes as a memorial for the 6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany and its allies in the Holocaust, is one of the most solemn dates on the country’s calendar. Speeches at the ceremony generally avoid politics, though Netanyahu in recent years has used the occasion to lash out at Israel's archenemy Iran.
The ceremony ushered in Israel’s first Holocaust remembrance day since the Oct. 7 Hamas attack that sparked the war, imbuing the already somber day with additional meaning.
Hamas militants killed some 1,200 people in the attack, making it the deadliest violence against Jews since the Holocaust.
Israel responded with an air and ground offensive in Gaza, where the death toll has soared to more than 34,500 people, according to local health officials, and about 80% of Gaza’s 2.3 million people are displaced. The death and destruction has prompted South Africa to file a genocide case against Israel in the U.N.’s world court. Israel strongly rejects the charges.
On Sunday, Netanyahu attacked those accusing Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinians, claiming that Israel was doing everything possible to ensure the entry of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
The 24-hour memorial period began after sundown on Sunday with a ceremony at Yad Vashem, Israel’s national Holocaust memorial, in Jerusalem.
There are approximately 245,000 living Holocaust survivors around the world, according to the Claims Conference, an organization that negotiates for material compensation for Holocaust survivors. Approximately half of the survivors live in Israel.
On Sunday, Tel Aviv University and the Anti-Defamation League released an annual Antisemitism Worldwide Report for 2023, which found a sharp increase in antisemitic attacks globally.
It said the number of antisemitic incidents in the United States doubled, from 3,697 in 2022 to 7,523 in 2023.
While most of these incidents occurred after the war erupted in October, the number of antisemitic incidents, which include vandalism, harassment, assault, and bomb threats, from January to September was already significantly higher than the previous year.
The report found an average of three bomb threats per day at synagogues and Jewish institutions in the U.S., more than 10 times the number in 2022.
Other countries tracked similar rises in antisemitic incidents. In France, the number nearly quadrupled, from 436 in 2022 to 1,676 in 2023, while it more than doubled in the United Kingdom and Canada.
“In the aftermath of the October 7 war crimes committed by Hamas, the world has seen the worst wave of antisemitic incidents since the end of the Second World War,” the report stated.
Netanyahu also compared the recent wave of protests on American campuses to German universities in the 1930s, in the runup to the Holocaust. He condemned the “explosion of a volcano of antisemitism spitting out boiling lava of lies against us around the world.”
Nearly 2,500 students have been arrested in a wave of protests at U.S. college campuses, while there have been smaller protests in other countries, including France. Protesters reject antisemitism accusations and say they are criticizing Israel. Campuses and the federal government are struggling to define exactly where political speech crosses into antisemitism.
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Where the fuck did I say any of that?
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JERUSALEM (AP) — After Hamas on Monday announced its acceptance of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal, Israel said its leaders approved a military operation in the southern Gaza town of Rafah and began striking targets in the area. Still, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he would send negotiators to continue talks on the deal.
The high-stakes diplomatic moves and military brinkmanship left a glimmer of hope alive — but only barely — for an accord that could bring at least a pause in the 7-month-old war that has devastated the Gaza Strip. Hanging over the wrangling was the threat of an all-out Israeli assault on Rafah, a move that the United States strongly opposes and that aid groups warn will be disastrous for some 1.4 million Palestinians taking refuge there.
Hamas's abrupt acceptance of the cease-fire deal came hours after Israel ordered an evacuation of Palestinians from eastern neighborhoods of Rafah, signaling an invasion was imminent.
Netanyahu’s office said that the proposal Hamas accepted was “far from Israel’s essential demands,” but that it would nonetheless send negotiators to continue talks on a deal.
At the same time, the Israeli military said it was conducting “targeted strikes” against Hamas in eastern Rafah. The nature of the strikes was not immediately known, but the move may aim to keep the pressure of the Rafah threat on as talks continue.
President Joe Biden spoke with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and reiterated U.S. concerns about an invasion of Rafah, telling him a cease-fire was the best way to protect the lives of Israeli hostages, according to a National Security Council spokesperson, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the call before an official White House statement was released.
U.S. State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said American officials were reviewing the Hamas response "and discussing it with our partners in the region.” An American official said the U.S. was examining whether Hamas agreed to a version of the deal that had been signed off on by Israel and international negotiators or something else.
Details of the proposal have not been released. Touring the region last week, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken had pressed Hamas to take the deal, and Egyptian officials said it called for a cease-fire of multiple stages starting with a limited hostage release and partial Israeli troop pullbacks within Gaza. The two sides would also negotiate a “permanent calm” that would lead to a full hostage release and greater Israeli withdrawal out of the territory, they said.
Hamas had been seeking clearer guarantees for its key demand of an end to the war and complete Israeli withdrawal in return for the release of all its hostages, according to Egyptian officials. It was not immediately known if any changes were made.
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have repeatedly rejected that trade-off, vowing to keep up their campaign until Hamas is destroyed after its Oct. 7 attack on Israel that triggered the war.
Israel says Rafah is the last significant Hamas stronghold in Gaza, and Netanyahu said Monday that the offensive against the town was vital to ensuring the militants can’t rebuild their military capabilities.
But he faces strong American opposition. After the Israeli evacuation order was issued, Miller said the U.S. has not seen a credible and implementable plan to protect Palestinian civilians. “We cannot support an operation in Rafah as it is currently envisioned,” he said.
The looming operation has raised global alarm. Aid agencies have warned that an offensive will bring a surge of more civilian deaths in an Israeli campaign that has already killed 34,000 people and devastated the territory. It could also wreck the humanitarian aid operation based out of Rafah that is keeping Palestinians across the Gaza Strip alive, they say.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk on Monday called the evacuation order “inhumane.”
“Gazans continue to be hit with bombs, disease, and even famine. And today, they have been told that they must relocate yet again," he said. "It will only expose them to more danger and misery.
Israeli military leaflets were dropped ordering evacuation from eastern neighborhoods of Rafah, warning that an attack was imminent and anyone who stays “puts themselves and their family members in danger.” Text messages and radio broadcasts repeated the message.
The military told people to move to an Israel-declared humanitarian zone called Muwasi, a makeshift camp on the coast. It said Israel has expanded the size of the zone and that it included tents, food, water and field hospitals.
It wasn't immediately clear, however, if that was already in place.
Around 450,000 displaced Palestinians already are sheltering in Muwasi. The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, known as UNRWA, said it has been providing them with aid. But conditions are squalid, with few bathrooms or sanitation facilities in the largely rural area, forcing families to dig private latrines.
The evacuation order left Palestinians in Rafah wrestling with having to uproot their families once again for an unknown fate, exhausted after months living in sprawling tent camps or crammed into schools or other shelters in and around the city.
Mohammed Jindiyah said that at the beginning of the war, he had tried to hold out in his home in northern Gaza under heavy bombardment before fleeing to Rafah.
He is complying with Israel's evacuation order this time, but was unsure now whether to move to Muwasi or another town in central Gaza.
“We are 12 families, and we don’t know where to go. There is no safe area in Gaza,” he said.
Sahar Abu Nahel, who fled to Rafah with 20 family members, including her children and grandchildren, wiped tears from her cheeks, despairing at a new move.
“I have no money or anything. I am seriously tired, as are the children,” she said. “Maybe it’s more honorable for us to die. We are being humiliated.”
Jan Egeland, secretary-general of the Norwegian Refugee Council, condemned the “forced, unlawful” evacuation order and the idea that people should go to Muwasi.
“The area is already overstretched and devoid of vital services,” Egeland said. He said that an Israeli assault could lead to “the deadliest phase of this war.”
Israel’s bombardment and ground offensives in Gaza have killed more than 34,700 Palestinians, around two-thirds of them children and women, according to Gaza health officials. The tally doesn't distinguish between civilians and combatants. More than 80% of the population of 2.3 million have been driven from their homes, and hundreds of thousands in the north are on the brink of famine, according to the U.N.
Tensions escalated Sunday when Hamas fired rockets at Israeli troops positioned on the border with Gaza near Israel’s main crossing for delivering humanitarian aid, killing four soldiers. Israel shuttered the crossing.
Meanwhile, Israeli airstrikes on Rafah killed 22 people, including children and two infants.
The war was sparked by the unprecedented Oct. 7 raid into southern Israel in which Hamas and other militants killed around 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducted around 250 hostages. After exchanges during a November cease-fire, Hamas is believed to still hold about 100 Israelis as well the bodies of around 30 others.
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Mroue reported from Beirut. Samy Magdy in Cairo and Zeke Miller in Washington contributed.
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