Meanwhile back in Israel

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-student-protests-war-c6e5549532c85f13493daa22d0d143ac   UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus over the war in Gaza

 

UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus over the war in Gaza

By STEFANIE DAZIO, ETHAN SWOPE, JAKE OFFENHARTZ and JOSEPH B. FREDERICK

Today

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Dueling groups of protesters clashed overnight at the University of California, Los Angeles, shoving, kicking and beating each other with sticks after pro-Israel demonstrators tried to pull down barricades surrounding a pro-Palestinian encampment. Hours earlier, police burst into a building occupied by anti-war protesters at Columbia University, breaking up a demonstration that had paralyzed the school.

After a couple of hours of scuffles between demonstrators at UCLA, police wearing helmets and face shields slowly separated the groups and quelled the violence. The scene was calm as day broke.

UCLA canceled classes Wednesday and urged people to avoid the area where the fighting broke out. The school's library won't reopen until Monday and Royce Hall, which authorities said was vandalized, is closed through Friday. UCLA stationed law enforcement officers throughout campus.

Tent encampments of protesters calling on universities to stop doing business with Israel or companies that support the war in Gaza have spread across campuses nationwide in a student movement unlike any other this century. The ensuing police crackdowns echoed actions decades ago against a much larger protest movement protesting the Vietnam War.

There have been confrontations with law enforcement and more than 1,000 arrests. In rare instances, university officials and protest leaders struck agreements to restrict the disruption to campus life and upcoming commencement ceremonies.

The clashes at UCLA erupted as counter-protesters tried to pull down parade barricades, plywood and wooden pallets protecting a tent encampment built by pro-Palestinian protesters. Video showed fireworks exploding over and in the encampment.

People threw chairs and other objects. A group piled on one person who lay on the ground, kicking and beating them with sticks until others rescued them from the scrum.

People outside the encampment, one draped in an Israeli flag, played recordings of a variety of sounds, including a baby crying and sirens.

Authorities have not detailed injuries.

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass called the violence “absolutely abhorrent and inexcusable” in a social media post and said city police were on the scene. California Highway Patrol officers also appeared to join. The university said it requested help.

The university tightened security Tuesday after officials reported “physical altercations.”

Late Tuesday, New York City police officers entered Columbia's campus after the university requested help. They cleared a tent encampment, along with Hamilton Hall where a stream of officers used a ladder to climb through a second-floor window. Protesters had seized the Ivy League school building about 20 hours earlier.

“After the University learned overnight that Hamilton Hall had been occupied, vandalized, and blockaded, we were left with no choice,” the school said in a statement.

A few dozen protesters at Columbia were arrested after shrugging off an earlier ultimatum to abandon the encampment Monday or face suspension, inspiring demonstrations on campuses elsewhere.

Fabien Lugo, a first-year accounting student who said he was not involved in the protests, said he opposed the university’s decision to call in police.

“This is too intense,” he said. “It feels like more of an escalation than a de-escalation.”

Blocks away from Columbia, at The City College of New York, demonstrators were in a standoff with police outside the public college’s main gate. Video posted on social media by reporters late Tuesday showed officers forcing some people to the ground and shoving others as they cleared the street and sidewalks.

After police arrived, officers lowered a Palestinian flag from the City College flagpole and tossed it to the ground before raising an American flag.

Brown University, another Ivy League school, reached an agreement Tuesday with protesters on its Rhode Island campus. Demonstrators said they would close their encampment if administrators consider divestment from Israel in October — apparently the first time a U.S. college has agreed to protester demands to vote on divestment.

Meanwhile, at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, police in riot gear closed in on an encampment late Tuesday and arrested about 20 people for trespassing. University officials had warned that students would face criminal charges if they did not disperse.

First-year student Brayden Lang watched from the sidelines. “I still know very little about this conflict,” he said. “But the deaths of thousands is something I cannot stand for.”

Police also cleared an encampment Wednesday morning at Tulane University in New Orleans and took down all but one tent at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, where police with shields shoved protesters, resulting in a scrum and at least a dozen arrests. Four officers were injured, including a state trooper who was hit in the head with a skateboard, according to University of Wisconsin police spokesperson Marc Lovicott.

California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt, was tallying damage after police on Tuesday cleared protesters from two halls that they had occupied since early last week. Of those arrested, 13 are students, one is a faculty member and 18 are not students, the university said in a statement.

The nationwide campus protests began at Columbia in response to Israel’s offensive in Gaza after Hamas launched a deadly attack on southern Israel on Oct. 7. Militants killed about 1,200 people, most of them civilians, and took roughly 250 hostages. Vowing to stamp out Hamas, Israel has killed more than 34,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, according to the Health Ministry there.

As cease-fire negotiations appeared to gain steam, it wasn’t clear whether those talks would lead to an easing of protests.

Israel and its supporters have branded the university protests as antisemitic, while Israel’s critics say it uses those allegations to silence opposition. Although some protesters have been caught on camera making antisemitic remarks or violent threats, organizers of the protests, some of whom are Jewish, say it is a peaceful movement aimed at defending Palestinian rights and protesting the war.

Columbia's police action happened on the 56th anniversary of a similar move to quash the occupation of Hamilton Hall by students protesting racism and the Vietnam War.

The police department had said officers wouldn't enter without the college administration’s request or an imminent emergency. Now, law enforcement will be there through May 17, when the university's commencement events are scheduled to end.

In a letter to senior police officials, Columbia President Nemat Shafik, who uses the first name Minouche, said the administration asked officers to remove protesters from the occupied building and a tent encampment “with the utmost regret.”

New York City Mayor Eric Adams, a Democrat and former police captain, insisted that while students were among those who entered Hamilton Hall, “It was led by individuals who were not affiliated with the university.”

Adams provided no evidence to back up this contention, saying revealing those details would be “too sensitive” to an ongoing law enforcement investigation.

Rebecca U. Weiner, the NYPD’s deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism, said some of the protesters were “known” to the department to have participated in past protests.

The police department’s deputy commissioner for public information, Tarik Sheppard, said 40 to 50 people were arrested at Hamilton Hall and that there were no injuries. Adams said nearly 300 people were arrested at Columbia University and City College in police crackdowns.

Protesters first set up a tent encampment at Columbia almost two weeks ago. The school sent in police to clear the tents the following day, arresting more than 100 people, only for the students to return.

Negotiations between the protesters and the college came to a standstill in recent days, and the school set a deadline for the activists to abandon the tent encampment Monday afternoon or be suspended.

Instead, protesters took over Hamilton Hall early Tuesday, carrying in furniture and metal barricades.

___

Offenhartz and Frederick reported from New York. Associated Press journalists around the country contributed to this report, including Cedar Attanasio, Jonathan Mattise, Colleen Long, Karen Matthews, Jim Vertuno, Hannah Schoenbaum, Sarah Brumfield, Christopher Weber, Carolyn Thompson, Dave Collins, Makiya Seminera, Philip Marcelo, Corey Williams, Felicia Fonseca and Kathy McCormack.

gimmesometruth27

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Yeah well it's just a vote, but I know that's how Brown got the camps removed.  By contrast Columbia affirmatively stated they will not divest.  Personally, I don't have a problem with either decision.  These are private institutions and this is a tough issue.  

Agreed. But supporters of Israel will tell you that even the discussion of divestment, never mind actually voting and doing it, is antisemitism. Fuck democracy, right? Students, alumni and the rest of society can vote with their wallets and feet. But you know, depending on which way you go, that’s also antisemitism.

yep, bds, boycott, divest, and sanction, is antisemitism. according to the internet.

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Piers Morgan, whom i dislike, asked a good question. 

"Where are the parents?"  It does cost 100K a year to go there so that is a lot of money to possibly be kicked out.

I guess Piers thinks parents can just call and yell at their adult kids or pull them out by the ear.  In other words,  why does he think parents have not communicated and asked them to leave.   If they even know they are in the encampment.

Said another way,  he has about ten assumptions built into that statement. 

what was it bob dylan said? 

"your sons and your daughters are beyond your command."

i wouldn't expect piers to grasp that though.

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

this.  would add criticizing a goverment, its policies and the actions derived from same is not antisemitic (semites are a broad classification anyway not exclusive) but rather pro-democracy, given said goverment is "the only democratic state in the mideast"

https://twitter.com/KellyScaletta/status/1784933392275886251?s=19

This is clearly a false claim.

the main college protest organizer is Nerdeen Kiswani, a known anti semite. her organization explicitly calls for the complete eradication of Israel, including for Israel to be “wiped off the map” 

Many protesters are chanting River to sea, which is antisemitism. Many Jewish students are being blamed and attacked on college campuses. These protests are mostly not peaceful.

There will likely be protests during the democratic convention in Chicago, which will draw comparisons to 1968, when Vietnam protesters made the democrats look unfit to lead, and Nixon won easily . Trump will say the same now, that Biden has lost control of the country. Eight months after this war began, and trump is still leading in the polls.

you familiar with the 1st amendment,  correct? many disagree with the some of the messaging and manner, but what was false about that specific tweet, stating quite clearly thoughts in general about protests and this topic.

I saw no endorsement of what you describe.

it would appear you fall in the  with us or against us mindset camp.

here , I hestitate to truly say what I want but your stance on the innocent civilians , MANY of which werent even born when that bloc was voted in, is abhorent at the least. no human being has any more value over another.

you're free to disagree. it IS still a free country ....

The protesters are breaking the law and deserve to be arrested.

those arrested should be investigated for every dollar received in their support. If any moneys are sourced from Middle East terrorist groups they should be thrown in prison. Let their terrorist ties be on their record and CVs for the rest of their lives.

Just taking a page from Hillel. You know, the student group funded by Israel to crush any dissent of Israel and pro-Palestinian voices on US college campuses? But they get a pass because they’re righteous, right?

Well, seems Bibi might have a few more things to worry about.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-fears-icc-issue-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gaza-war-hamas-rcna149739

Students are committing crimes on college campuses. Your best defense of that is two wrongs make a right? Students graduating now deserve their right to have a peaceful and joyous graduation within the next few weeks.

if the students protesting believe they are correct, and are willing to risk their careers and freedom, they should act like law abiding Americans, obtain a demonstration permit and protest peacefully and obey the law.

What do you mean by "mostly not peaceful"?  Are you saying that better than 50% of the protesters are committing crimes that are considered violent?  If so, that is demonstrably false.  If you are saying "not peaceful" means committing a crime, well I guess that would include trespassing but seems a stretch to call that "violent".  

(Edit, a lot of the violent protesters may not be students, but I am not sure that matters if the more peaceful protesting students support the protest and the cause)

I would say it’s absolutely true, although it should not be held to that “50% threshold.” Twenty percent of protesters can cause violence and make a school unsafe, and ruin once in a lifetime graduation experience for an entire senior class.

Many colleges have cancelled classes due to the protests. They do this for fear of safety of the students. Within the last 24 hours Columbia and UCLA had violence on their campuses. I’m sure I could find many more.


But the big problem is the democrats biggest supporters, young voters,  the last few presidential elections dating back to 2008 are abandoning Biden. I didn’t find the cross tabs in the below cnn poll, but Biden is behind 51-40 among voters under 35 and overall 52% say they would not consider ever voting for Biden. With the democrat electoral college disadvantage , that’s damning. Best I can tell, the demo out of line with 2020 is the youth vote.

 I raised this point seven months ago, many said wait and see, once they see its trump as nominee they’ll come back. Well that didn’t happen   and the young vote is apparently digging in, welcoming back trump with their support of a totalitarian mid east terrorist nation. How ironic.

CNN — 

Unrest on college campuses is driven in part by an opposition to an unpopular Democratic president’s support for Israel. Add in the fact that Democrats are holding their national convention in Chicago this year, and it’s not hard to hear echoes of 1968, when the protest movement collided with mainstream politics.

The pro-Palestinian movement in the US today is a far cry from the anti-war movement of the 1960s, but the angst and frustration of young Americans is clear and growing. It extends far beyond their views of the Middle East, and it is a major threat to President Joe Biden’s campaign to keep Donald Trump from returning to the White House.

Trump leads Biden among young people

Young voters are part of Democrats’ natural base of support, but Biden is actually 11 percentage points behind Trump among young voters 18-34 in a head-to-head match in a CNN poll conducted by SSRS and released over the weekend.

How can use "mostly" and not mean over 50%?  At that point, you are just defining the word for yourself with no common meaning.  How do you say 20% are causing problems and that equates to "mostly"?  

Regarding the polling, I don't buy it.  The problem with the bad polling and responses are going to be exasperated, the younger the demographic.  Plus, abortion will be the key messaging strategy for the democrats the closer we get to the fall.  And if there is a ceasefire, this will not be an issue in the election.  The delegations are on their way to Cairo now, so we'll see what happens.  

i'm interested to see who they are polling. they usually call home phone numbers and i would guess that a majority of people 18-34 do not have home phones. 

also, keep in mind, trump is consistently underperforming the polling by 10-12%, and biden has been overperforming the polling. i seriously doubt the result of that poll.

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-student-protests-war-c6e5549532c85f13493daa22d0d143ac   UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus over the war in Gaza

 

UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus over the war in Gaza

By STEFANIE DAZIO, ETHAN SWOPE, JAKE OFFENHARTZ and JOSEPH B. FREDERICK

Today

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Dueling groups of protesters clashed overnight at the University of California, Los Angeles, shoving, kicking and beating each other with sticks after pro-Israel demonstrators tried to pull down barricades surrounding a pro-Palestinian encampment. Hours earlier, police burst into a building occupied by anti-war protesters at Columbia University, breaking up a demonstration that had paralyzed the school.

After a couple of hours of scuffles between demonstrators at UCLA, police wearing helmets and face shields slowly separated the groups and quelled the violence. The scene was calm as day broke.

UCLA canceled classes Wednesday and urged people to avoid the area where the fighting broke out. The school's library won't reopen until Monday and Royce Hall, which authorities said was vandalized, is closed through Friday. UCLA stationed law enforcement officers throughout campus.

Tent encampments of protesters calling on universities to stop doing business with Israel or companies that support the war in Gaza have spread across campuses nationwide in a student movement unlike any other this century. The ensuing police crackdowns echoed actions decades ago against a much larger protest movement protesting the Vietnam War.

There have been confrontations with law enforcement and more than 1,000 arrests. In rare instances, university officials and protest leaders struck agreements to restrict the disruption to campus life and upcoming commencement ceremonies.

The clashes at UCLA erupted as counter-protesters tried to pull down parade barricades, plywood and wooden pallets protecting a tent encampment built by pro-Palestinian protesters. Video showed fireworks exploding over and in the encampment.

People threw chairs and other objects. A group piled on one person who lay on the ground, kicking and beating them with sticks until others rescued them from the scrum.

People outside the encampment, one draped in an Israeli flag, played recordings of a variety of sounds, including a baby crying and sirens.

Authorities have not detailed injuries.

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass called the violence “absolutely abhorrent and inexcusable” in a social media post and said city police were on the scene. California Highway Patrol officers also appeared to join. The university said it requested help.

The university tightened security Tuesday after officials reported “physical altercations.”

Late Tuesday, New York City police officers entered Columbia's campus after the university requested help. They cleared a tent encampment, along with Hamilton Hall where a stream of officers used a ladder to climb through a second-floor window. Protesters had seized the Ivy League school building about 20 hours earlier.

“After the University learned overnight that Hamilton Hall had been occupied, vandalized, and blockaded, we were left with no choice,” the school said in a statement.

A few dozen protesters at Columbia were arrested after shrugging off an earlier ultimatum to abandon the encampment Monday or face suspension, inspiring demonstrations on campuses elsewhere.

Fabien Lugo, a first-year accounting student who said he was not involved in the protests, said he opposed the university’s decision to call in police.

“This is too intense,” he said. “It feels like more of an escalation than a de-escalation.”

Blocks away from Columbia, at The City College of New York, demonstrators were in a standoff with police outside the public college’s main gate. Video posted on social media by reporters late Tuesday showed officers forcing some people to the ground and shoving others as they cleared the street and sidewalks.

After police arrived, officers lowered a Palestinian flag from the City College flagpole and tossed it to the ground before raising an American flag.

Brown University, another Ivy League school, reached an agreement Tuesday with protesters on its Rhode Island campus. Demonstrators said they would close their encampment if administrators consider divestment from Israel in October — apparently the first time a U.S. college has agreed to protester demands to vote on divestment.

Meanwhile, at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, police in riot gear closed in on an encampment late Tuesday and arrested about 20 people for trespassing. University officials had warned that students would face criminal charges if they did not disperse.

First-year student Brayden Lang watched from the sidelines. “I still know very little about this conflict,” he said. “But the deaths of thousands is something I cannot stand for.”

Police also cleared an encampment Wednesday morning at Tulane University in New Orleans and took down all but one tent at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, where police with shields shoved protesters, resulting in a scrum and at least a dozen arrests. Four officers were injured, including a state trooper who was hit in the head with a skateboard, according to University of Wisconsin police spokesperson Marc Lovicott.

California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt, was tallying damage after police on Tuesday cleared protesters from two halls that they had occupied since early last week. Of those arrested, 13 are students, one is a faculty member and 18 are not students, the university said in a statement.

The nationwide campus protests began at Columbia in response to Israel’s offensive in Gaza after Hamas launched a deadly attack on southern Israel on Oct. 7. Militants killed about 1,200 people, most of them civilians, and took roughly 250 hostages. Vowing to stamp out Hamas, Israel has killed more than 34,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, according to the Health Ministry there.

As cease-fire negotiations appeared to gain steam, it wasn’t clear whether those talks would lead to an easing of protests.

Israel and its supporters have branded the university protests as antisemitic, while Israel’s critics say it uses those allegations to silence opposition. Although some protesters have been caught on camera making antisemitic remarks or violent threats, organizers of the protests, some of whom are Jewish, say it is a peaceful movement aimed at defending Palestinian rights and protesting the war.

Columbia's police action happened on the 56th anniversary of a similar move to quash the occupation of Hamilton Hall by students protesting racism and the Vietnam War.

The police department had said officers wouldn't enter without the college administration’s request or an imminent emergency. Now, law enforcement will be there through May 17, when the university's commencement events are scheduled to end.

In a letter to senior police officials, Columbia President Nemat Shafik, who uses the first name Minouche, said the administration asked officers to remove protesters from the occupied building and a tent encampment “with the utmost regret.”

New York City Mayor Eric Adams, a Democrat and former police captain, insisted that while students were among those who entered Hamilton Hall, “It was led by individuals who were not affiliated with the university.”

Adams provided no evidence to back up this contention, saying revealing those details would be “too sensitive” to an ongoing law enforcement investigation.

Rebecca U. Weiner, the NYPD’s deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism, said some of the protesters were “known” to the department to have participated in past protests.

The police department’s deputy commissioner for public information, Tarik Sheppard, said 40 to 50 people were arrested at Hamilton Hall and that there were no injuries. Adams said nearly 300 people were arrested at Columbia University and City College in police crackdowns.

Protesters first set up a tent encampment at Columbia almost two weeks ago. The school sent in police to clear the tents the following day, arresting more than 100 people, only for the students to return.

Negotiations between the protesters and the college came to a standstill in recent days, and the school set a deadline for the activists to abandon the tent encampment Monday afternoon or be suspended.

Instead, protesters took over Hamilton Hall early Tuesday, carrying in furniture and metal barricades.

___

Offenhartz and Frederick reported from New York. Associated Press journalists around the country contributed to this report, including Cedar Attanasio, Jonathan Mattise, Colleen Long, Karen Matthews, Jim Vertuno, Hannah Schoenbaum, Sarah Brumfield, Christopher Weber, Carolyn Thompson, Dave Collins, Makiya Seminera, Philip Marcelo, Corey Williams, Felicia Fonseca and Kathy McCormack.

To point out the bold is to be antisemitic. Only one side because of one individual is to be blamed for all the actions of everyone. Just like it is in Israel.

cblock4life

The young are restless.  I believe we’ve lived through these conditions, oh, at least back to women’s rights, civil rights, Vietnam…..if people don’t protest (peacefully) nothing changes.  I HATE the destruction and violence but unfortunately it’s part of our “civil” (civility) rights.  We’ve had a wonderful example, as to how protests should be held, in the trump era.  

cblock4life

And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school.  Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.  

Lerxst1992

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

this.  would add criticizing a goverment, its policies and the actions derived from same is not antisemitic (semites are a broad classification anyway not exclusive) but rather pro-democracy, given said goverment is "the only democratic state in the mideast"

https://twitter.com/KellyScaletta/status/1784933392275886251?s=19

This is clearly a false claim.

the main college protest organizer is Nerdeen Kiswani, a known anti semite. her organization explicitly calls for the complete eradication of Israel, including for Israel to be “wiped off the map” 

Many protesters are chanting River to sea, which is antisemitism. Many Jewish students are being blamed and attacked on college campuses. These protests are mostly not peaceful.

There will likely be protests during the democratic convention in Chicago, which will draw comparisons to 1968, when Vietnam protesters made the democrats look unfit to lead, and Nixon won easily . Trump will say the same now, that Biden has lost control of the country. Eight months after this war began, and trump is still leading in the polls.

you familiar with the 1st amendment,  correct? many disagree with the some of the messaging and manner, but what was false about that specific tweet, stating quite clearly thoughts in general about protests and this topic.

I saw no endorsement of what you describe.

it would appear you fall in the  with us or against us mindset camp.

here , I hestitate to truly say what I want but your stance on the innocent civilians , MANY of which werent even born when that bloc was voted in, is abhorent at the least. no human being has any more value over another.

you're free to disagree. it IS still a free country ....

The protesters are breaking the law and deserve to be arrested.

those arrested should be investigated for every dollar received in their support. If any moneys are sourced from Middle East terrorist groups they should be thrown in prison. Let their terrorist ties be on their record and CVs for the rest of their lives.

Just taking a page from Hillel. You know, the student group funded by Israel to crush any dissent of Israel and pro-Palestinian voices on US college campuses? But they get a pass because they’re righteous, right?

Well, seems Bibi might have a few more things to worry about.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-fears-icc-issue-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gaza-war-hamas-rcna149739

Students are committing crimes on college campuses. Your best defense of that is two wrongs make a right? Students graduating now deserve their right to have a peaceful and joyous graduation within the next few weeks.

if the students protesting believe they are correct, and are willing to risk their careers and freedom, they should act like law abiding Americans, obtain a demonstration permit and protest peacefully and obey the law.

What do you mean by "mostly not peaceful"?  Are you saying that better than 50% of the protesters are committing crimes that are considered violent?  If so, that is demonstrably false.  If you are saying "not peaceful" means committing a crime, well I guess that would include trespassing but seems a stretch to call that "violent".  

(Edit, a lot of the violent protesters may not be students, but I am not sure that matters if the more peaceful protesting students support the protest and the cause)

I would say it’s absolutely true, although it should not be held to that “50% threshold.” Twenty percent of protesters can cause violence and make a school unsafe, and ruin once in a lifetime graduation experience for an entire senior class.

Many colleges have cancelled classes due to the protests. They do this for fear of safety of the students. Within the last 24 hours Columbia and UCLA had violence on their campuses. I’m sure I could find many more.


But the big problem is the democrats biggest supporters, young voters,  the last few presidential elections dating back to 2008 are abandoning Biden. I didn’t find the cross tabs in the below cnn poll, but Biden is behind 51-40 among voters under 35 and overall 52% say they would not consider ever voting for Biden. With the democrat electoral college disadvantage , that’s damning. Best I can tell, the demo out of line with 2020 is the youth vote.

 I raised this point seven months ago, many said wait and see, once they see its trump as nominee they’ll come back. Well that didn’t happen   and the young vote is apparently digging in, welcoming back trump with their support of a totalitarian mid east terrorist nation. How ironic.

CNN — 

Unrest on college campuses is driven in part by an opposition to an unpopular Democratic president’s support for Israel. Add in the fact that Democrats are holding their national convention in Chicago this year, and it’s not hard to hear echoes of 1968, when the protest movement collided with mainstream politics.

The pro-Palestinian movement in the US today is a far cry from the anti-war movement of the 1960s, but the angst and frustration of young Americans is clear and growing. It extends far beyond their views of the Middle East, and it is a major threat to President Joe Biden’s campaign to keep Donald Trump from returning to the White House.

Trump leads Biden among young people

Young voters are part of Democrats’ natural base of support, but Biden is actually 11 percentage points behind Trump among young voters 18-34 in a head-to-head match in a CNN poll conducted by SSRS and released over the weekend.

How can use "mostly" and not mean over 50%?  At that point, you are just defining the word for yourself with no common meaning.  How do you say 20% are causing problems and that equates to "mostly"?  

Regarding the polling, I don't buy it.  The problem with the bad polling and responses are going to be exasperated, the younger the demographic.  Plus, abortion will be the key messaging strategy for the democrats the closer we get to the fall.  And if there is a ceasefire, this will not be an issue in the election.  The delegations are on their way to Cairo now, so we'll see what happens.  

i'm interested to see who they are polling. they usually call home phone numbers and i would guess that a majority of people 18-34 do not have home phones. 

also, keep in mind, trump is consistently underperforming the polling by 10-12%, and biden has been overperforming the polling. i seriously doubt the result of that poll.

We can easily compare polls to 2020. The young vote is the outlier, whether we look at national polls or swing states. I certainly hope the polls are wrong, but looking at all the protests, that seems to be solid evidence.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@mehdirhasan/post/C6ZvXXXOnDd/?xmt=AQGzPtOJHPiieXsPkheginQnrs0DYinJmZVuLsVK0TPf4Q

cincybearcat

cblock4life said:

And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school.  Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.  

It's the same class that lost high school graduation due to covid, now losing it due to protests.  

cincybearcat

I know we all have our opinions .... I certainly have one about the protests.  I try to challenge myself some on my opinion as I do understand that if the protest isn't making things uncomfortable or difficult it might not be very successful.  But for those of you more aligned with the thought process that nothing yet the protestors have done should warrant any React, Respond (sorry had to include)....what could protestors/protests due that would have you believing it is ok for school admins to have them removed?

For me, it was when then caused a disruption for the school and students...making classes hybrid or cancelling.  I know for many that is way to early and not their line.  Just wondering.  And for me, more force becomes appropriate the moment they break into and occupy buildings, etc.  

Also - wondering what people think is fair vs unfair treatment of the students involved....discipline from school...expulsion....suspension....etc.  

For me, once you fail to vacate when asked, it is appropriate for the school to take down information and have a discussion with each student to determine if any permanent record type stuff is warranted.  Though I would lean towards no, unless specific incidents can be cited.

Once you break into a building and refuse to leave, school should follow same disciplinary process as if it occurred without the protest going on.  

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

cblock4life said:

And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school.  Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.  

It's the same class that lost high school graduation die to covid, now losing it due to protests.  

You're right.  My son is in that class and he's a college senior.  He said campus was quiet until yesterday when some protests started.  He and his friends think they are wasting their time.  

cblock4life

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

cblock4life said:

And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school.  Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.  

It's the same class that lost high school graduation die to covid, now losing it due to protests.  

You're right.  My son is in that class and he's a college senior.  He said campus was quiet until yesterday when some protests started.  He and his friends think they are wasting their time.  

Didn’t even realize.  Sorry. 

cblock4life

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/pittsburghs-police-chief-praises-peaceful-protests/S2VZNDTSOVEKTCHVOKS73NOUO4/

https://triblive.com/news/education-classroom/a-closer-look-at-how-university-of-pittsburgh-handled-protests-amid-national-strife/

A little respect for each other and communication. 

tempo_n_groove

I liked what Biden said in his speech.

mrussel1

I just read this on WashPo.  While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election.  Megan McArdle is pretty good. 

https://wapo.st/3xZwiEZ

Democratic politicians aren’t looking for student protesters’ support

To push their cause successfully, the demonstrators should reconsider their tactics.

mrussel1

cblock4life said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

cblock4life said:

And….i feel bad for all those students who looked forward to graduating, just like those during the pandemic in college and high school.  Sounds awful but terrible (shit) happens all the time, but I get it.  

It's the same class that lost high school graduation die to covid, now losing it due to protests.  

You're right.  My son is in that class and he's a college senior.  He said campus was quiet until yesterday when some protests started.  He and his friends think they are wasting their time.  

Didn’t even realize.  Sorry. 

It's fine.  He is walking, as of now.  But really, in the grand scheme of things, these are blips in life.  He is privileged.  

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

I just read this on WashPo.  While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election.  Megan McArdle is pretty good. 

https://wapo.st/3xZwiEZ

Democratic politicians aren’t looking for student protesters’ support

To push their cause successfully, the demonstrators should reconsider their tactics.

Thanks for that.

Merkin Baller

mrussel1 said:

I just read this on WashPo.  While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election.  Megan McArdle is pretty good. 

https://wapo.st/3xZwiEZ

Democratic politicians aren’t looking for student protesters’ support

To push their cause successfully, the demonstrators should reconsider their tactics.

It's s good op-ed... thanks for sharing. 

Lerxst1992

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

I just read this on WashPo.  While I may not agree with everything exactly, I think this article captures much of my perspective on the protesters, their tactics and how it plays into the election.  Megan McArdle is pretty good. 

https://wapo.st/3xZwiEZ

Democratic politicians aren’t looking for student protesters’ support

To push their cause successfully, the demonstrators should reconsider their tactics.

It's s good op-ed... thanks for sharing. 

This article raises a good point, a few colleges changing investment policies is going to do nothing to influence this war. 

However, the United States, Congress, and the United States president, and just passed a law sending billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. That’s the issue right there. The United States has decided to support its main ally in a region, the only democratic and free nation in the region, which is dominated by authoritarian governments.

 If these young people, whose some still consider children, think that supporting authoritarianism terrorist nations is good policy, let them go to Washington - Protest there and tell their leader ship exactly what they want. “We want to support authoritarian terrorist nations “

and let them see first hand what that gets them in their own country this November