When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
Im sorry but that was a paper attack. There were no casualties. The assassination was disproportionate in scale. I wonder how many women and children will be killed in Tehran as we bomb it to the ground. I guess that's better than living in a black sheet? Or maybe, just maybe there's a solution in between.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
And you're right, they stampede each other to death.. I'll give you that. They're just like those heathens at Roskilde, or those heretics at the Who concert in Cincinnati. I mean, only lunatics could possibly have a stampede that takes a human life. Kill em all, let God sort them out.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
yeah, so we should let our religious fanatics in turn bomb tehran to the ground. listen to yourself.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
Yes, even if the USA assassinated another high-value military official in a nuclear-armed nation who exerts power through shadowy proxies across a region and has decades of legitimate animosity against the USA due to exploitation of oil revenues leading to a destabilized economy, an orchestrated coup against a democratically elected leader, and ongoing sanctions to assure its crippled status - the attack would still be reckless. You seriously think it's because he's an Iranian? I know you're smarter than that.
Forgive me if I completely missed your point, but if I'm hearing this right, I truly don't think race has anything to do with the fact that this is void of logic and introduces risk to the people Trump has sworn to protect, along with the USA allies in the region. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like Iraq (couldn't resist).
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So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
i have never celebrated the death of anybody, and i am not starting now.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
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Fucking war.
Iran launches missiles at US forces in Iraq at al-Asad and Erbil – live updates
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
I disagree. He is a high ranking general of a legitimate nation-state. Iran has a seat in the UN General Assembly. They are not a rag tag bunch of terrorists. And you if you start criticizing their asymmetrical warfare, then you are completing ignoring our history (past and present) of doing the same.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
i have never celebrated the death of anybody, and i am not starting now.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
i have never celebrated the death of anybody, and i am not starting now.
Not bin laden?
i did not celebrate when bin laden was killed. i felt relief. i felt a sense of closure. i felt like we were all a little bit safer. i felt proud of obama for getting the guy bush couldn't, but i did not pop champagne and get turnt and go riot or some shit.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
I disagree. He is a high ranking general of a legitimate nation-state. Iran has a seat in the UN General Assembly. They are not a rag tag bunch of terrorists. And you if you start criticizing their asymmetrical warfare, then you are completing ignoring our history (past and present) of doing the same.
Iran is far from legitimate. I do not agree with what trump did but I have no soft spot for that country. Take a look at Iran’s humans rights records and ask yourself if the country would be better off without their current government.
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
Yes, even if the USA assassinated another high-value military official in a nuclear-armed nation who exerts power through shadowy proxies across a region and has decades of legitimate animosity against the USA due to exploitation of oil revenues leading to a destabilized economy, an orchestrated coup against a democratically elected leader, and ongoing sanctions to assure its crippled status - the attack would still be reckless. You seriously think it's because he's an Iranian? I know you're smarter than that.
Forgive me if I completely missed your point, but if I'm hearing this right, I truly don't think race has anything to do with the fact that this is void of logic and introduces risk to the people Trump has sworn to protect, along with the USA allies in the region. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like Iraq (couldn't resist).
So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party?
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th. Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate. Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part. Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties. Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty. The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world. This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.
Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?
I don't understand..
If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are? No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead. The only issue is of course is his nationality. Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror.
I disagree. He is a high ranking general of a legitimate nation-state. Iran has a seat in the UN General Assembly. They are not a rag tag bunch of terrorists. And you if you start criticizing their asymmetrical warfare, then you are completing ignoring our history (past and present) of doing the same.
Iran is far from legitimate. I do not agree with what trump did but I have no soft spot for that country. Take a look at Iran’s humans rights records and ask yourself if the country would be better off without their current government.
The government is legitimate until it's overthrown. And that is nowhere near happening, and these last three years only puts it further away, as the people move towards the gov't as a natural result of the escalating war. If one wants eventual regime change in Iran, this is literally the least likely path. If it takes us 20 years to pull off regime change in a country half the size of Iran, and with the far less national pride, then we don't have a shot in the heart of Persia.
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hedonist
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So...as someone half-Persian, am I still welcome here?
When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
so you don't want to wear a black sheet walking down the street, so the logical solution to you not having to nor ever having to is to kill all those that do?
in case you missed it, obama had a no-nuke deal, as mrussel stated, that by all measures iran was complying with.
so you are concerned about the american citizens that trump put in harm's way, and you blame iran for that?
When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
Believe it or not, Iranian people are also someone’s children, husbands, wives and parents.
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When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
Believe it or not, Iranian people are also someone’s children, husbands, wives and parents.
oh, come on, often, everyone who isn't american is expendable! those folks over there don't mean nothin'!
When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!" Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics.
You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.
Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
First bolded: I wonder if that phrase will one day be applied to those who chose to stay in the US as it is clearly a fucking shit show these days. The election of this fuck wad is evidence alone of that.
Second bolded: The exact same sentiments being uttered about some major US city and our hide behind my god leaders.
And people wonder why the Osama's of the world are in existence.
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Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.
But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending.
At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.
What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins?
I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
my guess is he is probably waiting on his marching orders from putin.
or it will take him until 9 am to get his hair back on straight.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Forgive me if I completely missed your point, but if I'm hearing this right, I truly don't think race has anything to do with the fact that this is void of logic and introduces risk to the people Trump has sworn to protect, along with the USA allies in the region. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like Iraq (couldn't resist).
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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in case you missed it, obama had a no-nuke deal, as mrussel stated, that by all measures iran was complying with.
so you are concerned about the american citizens that trump put in harm's way, and you blame iran for that?
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Second bolded: The exact same sentiments being uttered about some major US city and our hide behind my god leaders.
And people wonder why the Osama's of the world are in existence.
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