Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

And now to Al Jazeera... where the Arab league is labeling the Iranian arm in Lebanon a terrorist organization

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/arab-league-labels-hezbollah-terrorist-group-160311173735737.html

How is this news and how are you connecting it to Iran deal? Hezbollah, the militant Shia arm of the Lebanese government has been accused of this for years.

Did you and do you support the Iraq War?

Hezbollah is not the arm of the Lebanese Government...it's the arm of the Iranian government. There is no Lebanese government anymore as it has been surrendered to Iran. This is part of the larger picture of what is happening on the ground.

You're right, Hezbollah is connected to Iran, operating in Lebanon. But you're wrong (or rather over stated) on the comment that there is no Lebanese government. SA and Iran continue to fight proxy internal wars for influence of the government. In fact, as you probably know, SA is levying sanctions on them right now, but restricting travel, refusing to do business with Hezbollah related companies, etc. They are trying to increase the influence in Beirut. But they need to be careful and not wreck the economy, thereby creating another failed state.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the recent ballistic missile test by Iran amounts to breaking the Nuke treaty.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

And now to Al Jazeera... where the Arab league is labeling the Iranian arm in Lebanon a terrorist organization

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/arab-league-labels-hezbollah-terrorist-group-160311173735737.html

How is this news and how are you connecting it to Iran deal? Hezbollah, the militant Shia arm of the Lebanese government has been accused of this for years.

Did you and do you support the Iraq War?

Hezbollah is not the arm of the Lebanese Government...it's the arm of the Iranian government. There is no Lebanese government anymore as it has been surrendered to Iran. This is part of the larger picture of what is happening on the ground.

You're right, Hezbollah is connected to Iran, operating in Lebanon. But you're wrong (or rather over stated) on the comment that there is no Lebanese government. SA and Iran continue to fight proxy internal wars for influence of the government. In fact, as you probably know, SA is levying sanctions on them right now, but restricting travel, refusing to do business with Hezbollah related companies, etc. They are trying to increase the influence in Beirut. But they need to be careful and not wreck the economy, thereby creating another failed state.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the recent ballistic missile test by Iran amounts to breaking the Nuke treaty.

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states just pulled all their Lebanese funding. They recognize that Lebanon has become an Iranian client state. Their is a bigger Sunni/Shia picture here that many are failing to grasp.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

And now to Al Jazeera... where the Arab league is labeling the Iranian arm in Lebanon a terrorist organization

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/arab-league-labels-hezbollah-terrorist-group-160311173735737.html

How is this news and how are you connecting it to Iran deal? Hezbollah, the militant Shia arm of the Lebanese government has been accused of this for years.

Did you and do you support the Iraq War?

Hezbollah is not the arm of the Lebanese Government...it's the arm of the Iranian government. There is no Lebanese government anymore as it has been surrendered to Iran. This is part of the larger picture of what is happening on the ground.

You're right, Hezbollah is connected to Iran, operating in Lebanon. But you're wrong (or rather over stated) on the comment that there is no Lebanese government. SA and Iran continue to fight proxy internal wars for influence of the government. In fact, as you probably know, SA is levying sanctions on them right now, but restricting travel, refusing to do business with Hezbollah related companies, etc. They are trying to increase the influence in Beirut. But they need to be careful and not wreck the economy, thereby creating another failed state.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the recent ballistic missile test by Iran amounts to breaking the Nuke treaty.

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states just pulled all their Lebanese funding. They recognize that Lebanon has become an Iranian client state. Their is a bigger Sunni/Shia picture here that many are failing to grasp.

I know, that was my point. But the downside is that they could wreck the state with that strategy and create another power vacuum and failed state. I'm saying that is a dangerous game SA is playing.

It still doesn't mean that Iran violated the JPOA.

Halifax2TheMax

Jeeze, buried on page 3. Guess Obama did something right? C'mon BS, set me straight with a blog link, please.

BS44325

Lotta silence on Ben Rhodes and his interview with respect to the Iran deal...

Guess we'll have to go to Fox for some info

https://youtu.be/YZMrCh74zQI

Josh Earnest can't deny the lies

http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/05/09/watch-the-incredible-moment-when-josh-earnest-cant-deny-obama-admin-officials-lied-about-iran-deal-video/

mickeyrat

how about the guardian?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2016/may/10/was-the-iran-nuclear-deal-just-a-triumph-of-white-house-spin?CMP=fb_gu

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

Criticizing the Iran deal is secondary to his main agenda - demonization of all Muslims in support of his eretz-Israel agenda.
And I can tell you right now - he supports war against any Muslim country in the Middle East, no matter the cost.

Okay thanks. I didn't realize I was arguing with a neoconservative. I thought they had disappeared to the history books. . Like Whigs, Know Nothings and anti Free Masons.

Not only that , but he, as a Candian, is perfectly fine with the U.S, sending our young men and woman in to harms way.

Suit op BS and lead the charge over there.

I want our troops involved but unfortunately my Prime Minister that your President and media glorifies has other plans.

Man up and go on your own.

Jason P

"Iran’s nuclear program will be under lock, key and camera 24 hours a day, 365 days a year," Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va., wrote in an op-ed supporting the deal.

So ... is it under lock and key right now? Are we conducting 27/7/265 inspections? Are there any inspectors in Iran right now?

And where the fuck is Hans Blix?

mickeyrat

Jason P said:

"Iran’s nuclear program will be under lock, key and camera 24 hours a day, 365 days a year," Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va., wrote in an op-ed supporting the deal.

So ... is it under lock and key right now? Are we conducting 27/7/265 inspections? Are there any inspectors in Iran right now?

And where the fuck is Hans Blix?

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

rgambs

It's been almost a year, did Iran "break out"?
Do they have enough fissile material to build a nuclear warhead??
Wasn't their breakout time months away when the deal shut down the majority of centrifuges?
Your welcome, Israel lol

gimmesometruth27

rgambs said:

It's been almost a year, did Iran "break out"?
Do they have enough fissile material to build a nuclear warhead??
Wasn't their breakout time months away when the deal shut down the majority of centrifuges?
Your welcome, Israel lol

depends on whom you ask.

fox news won't talk about it because their boy cotton looks like a moron right now.

mrussel1

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

I am, but Cotton is irrational. I'm a moderate and a centrist. I can deal with most POV, but Cotton is a true regressive in my mind. He and Jim Imhofe are cut from the same cloth. Sometimes I know these guys are just pandering to the least common denominator, but Cotton is serious in his over the top aggressive war stance, anti climate, and anti-gay stance. On the climate, he bizarrely believes in global warming, but wants 'the market' to fix it. That makes zero sense. How can you trust capitalists to address an environmental issue when it's naturally NPV negative for 20 years at least? It's a contradictory solution and tells me he is a partisan hack.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

I am, but Cotton is irrational. I'm a moderate and a centrist. I can deal with most POV, but Cotton is a true regressive in my mind. He and Jim Imhofe are cut from the same cloth. Sometimes I know these guys are just pandering to the least common denominator, but Cotton is serious in his over the top aggressive war stance, anti climate, and anti-gay stance. On the climate, he bizarrely believes in global warming, but wants 'the market' to fix it. That makes zero sense. How can you trust capitalists to address an environmental issue when it's naturally NPV negative for 20 years at least? It's a contradictory solution and tells me he is a partisan hack.

There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about the phrase "out and out psychopath". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about making light of PTSD. There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about tarnishing your ideological opponent by labeling him a "war monger and a bigot". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about referring to his home state as the "redneck south".

People claim they want to see an end to partisan hackery but the above only fans the flames.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

I am, but Cotton is irrational. I'm a moderate and a centrist. I can deal with most POV, but Cotton is a true regressive in my mind. He and Jim Imhofe are cut from the same cloth. Sometimes I know these guys are just pandering to the least common denominator, but Cotton is serious in his over the top aggressive war stance, anti climate, and anti-gay stance. On the climate, he bizarrely believes in global warming, but wants 'the market' to fix it. That makes zero sense. How can you trust capitalists to address an environmental issue when it's naturally NPV negative for 20 years at least? It's a contradictory solution and tells me he is a partisan hack.

There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about the phrase "out and out psychopath". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about making light of PTSD. There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about tarnishing your ideological opponent by labeling him a "war monger and a bigot". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about referring to his home state as the "redneck south".

People claim they want to see an end to partisan hackery but the above only fans the flames.

Sounds like you're fairly PC. Sorry you're offended by my digs at Tom Cotton. I'm not apologizing for them. I'm not making light of his PTSD, but that would be the only excuse for his extremist, irrational positions on the key issues. And again, since you're a Canadian, you've probably never spent substantial time in Old Dixie. Democrats that live down there know exactly what they're surrounded by, I know I did when I lived in FL and now I live in VA which still has those roots. I'd be a-okay if they all give in to the 'lost cause' mentality and tried to form their own country again. But I suspect since Dixie receives far and away more federal assistance than the blue states, that's probably not happening anytime soon.

If you'd like to debate Tom Cotton's positions, I'd be happy to do it. If you're just going to be offended because I don't like the junior senator from Arkansas, well sorry about that.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

I am, but Cotton is irrational. I'm a moderate and a centrist. I can deal with most POV, but Cotton is a true regressive in my mind. He and Jim Imhofe are cut from the same cloth. Sometimes I know these guys are just pandering to the least common denominator, but Cotton is serious in his over the top aggressive war stance, anti climate, and anti-gay stance. On the climate, he bizarrely believes in global warming, but wants 'the market' to fix it. That makes zero sense. How can you trust capitalists to address an environmental issue when it's naturally NPV negative for 20 years at least? It's a contradictory solution and tells me he is a partisan hack.

There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about the phrase "out and out psychopath". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about making light of PTSD. There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about tarnishing your ideological opponent by labeling him a "war monger and a bigot". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about referring to his home state as the "redneck south".

People claim they want to see an end to partisan hackery but the above only fans the flames.

Sounds like you're fairly PC. Sorry you're offended by my digs at Tom Cotton. I'm not apologizing for them. I'm not making light of his PTSD, but that would be the only excuse for his extremist, irrational positions on the key issues. And again, since you're a Canadian, you've probably never spent substantial time in Old Dixie. Democrats that live down there know exactly what they're surrounded by, I know I did when I lived in FL and now I live in VA which still has those roots. I'd be a-okay if they all give in to the 'lost cause' mentality and tried to form their own country again. But I suspect since Dixie receives far and away more federal assistance than the blue states, that's probably not happening anytime soon.

If you'd like to debate Tom Cotton's positions, I'd be happy to do it. If you're just going to be offended because I don't like the junior senator from Arkansas, well sorry about that.

I don't take any offense at all and it is within your right not to apologize but from my perspective you no longer get to claim that you are centrist, moderate and rational. I might have never spent time in "old dixie" but I do know that Arkansas was a democratic stronghold only until a short while ago. Blanch Lincoln and Mark Pryor were democratic senators for the state that both lost relection. They didn't lose because the citizens woke up one day and decide to elect "warmongers and bigots". They lost because the democratic party and it's supporters such as yourself stopped being centrist, moderate and rational.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

I am, but Cotton is irrational. I'm a moderate and a centrist. I can deal with most POV, but Cotton is a true regressive in my mind. He and Jim Imhofe are cut from the same cloth. Sometimes I know these guys are just pandering to the least common denominator, but Cotton is serious in his over the top aggressive war stance, anti climate, and anti-gay stance. On the climate, he bizarrely believes in global warming, but wants 'the market' to fix it. That makes zero sense. How can you trust capitalists to address an environmental issue when it's naturally NPV negative for 20 years at least? It's a contradictory solution and tells me he is a partisan hack.

There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about the phrase "out and out psychopath". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about making light of PTSD. There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about tarnishing your ideological opponent by labeling him a "war monger and a bigot". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about referring to his home state as the "redneck south".

People claim they want to see an end to partisan hackery but the above only fans the flames.

Sounds like you're fairly PC. Sorry you're offended by my digs at Tom Cotton. I'm not apologizing for them. I'm not making light of his PTSD, but that would be the only excuse for his extremist, irrational positions on the key issues. And again, since you're a Canadian, you've probably never spent substantial time in Old Dixie. Democrats that live down there know exactly what they're surrounded by, I know I did when I lived in FL and now I live in VA which still has those roots. I'd be a-okay if they all give in to the 'lost cause' mentality and tried to form their own country again. But I suspect since Dixie receives far and away more federal assistance than the blue states, that's probably not happening anytime soon.

If you'd like to debate Tom Cotton's positions, I'd be happy to do it. If you're just going to be offended because I don't like the junior senator from Arkansas, well sorry about that.

I don't take any offense at all and it is within your right not to apologize but from my perspective you no longer get to claim that you are centrist, moderate and rational. I might have never spent time in "old dixie" but I do know that Arkansas was a democratic stronghold only until a short while ago. Blanch Lincoln and Mark Pryor were democratic senators for the state that both lost relection. They didn't lose because the citizens woke up one day and decide to elect "warmongers and bigots". They lost because the democratic party and it's supporters such as yourself stopped being centrist, moderate and rational.

Negative, and that shows your ignorance (I don't mean that in the derogatory term) of the Solid South and the slow process of Republicanizing (tm) that has occurred since the Southern Strategy started by Nixon in 68. The local races and the senators were teh last ones to go down and AR was one of the last states to go down, but it has nothing to do with centrists and moderates. The Dem party is far more centrist and less beholden to social programs today than it was in the 70's and 80's, when there were still Republicans in the northeast, and Democrats in the South. Now there's neither.

And being a centrist means I'm socially liberal and economically moderate. It doesn't mean I don't have strong opinions and suffer fools lightly. And Tom Cotton is a fucking fool. And there's plenty of times when I think Elizabeth Warren is a fool; however, her foolishness isn't as dangerous.