Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

rgambs

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

Whatever you think. He's a war monger and bigot. He makes Trump look tolerant.

You should move to the redneck south and let him rep you, rather than your comfy Canada.

Wow. I really thought you were one of the rational ones.

I am, but Cotton is irrational. I'm a moderate and a centrist. I can deal with most POV, but Cotton is a true regressive in my mind. He and Jim Imhofe are cut from the same cloth. Sometimes I know these guys are just pandering to the least common denominator, but Cotton is serious in his over the top aggressive war stance, anti climate, and anti-gay stance. On the climate, he bizarrely believes in global warming, but wants 'the market' to fix it. That makes zero sense. How can you trust capitalists to address an environmental issue when it's naturally NPV negative for 20 years at least? It's a contradictory solution and tells me he is a partisan hack.

There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about the phrase "out and out psychopath". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about making light of PTSD. There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about tarnishing your ideological opponent by labeling him a "war monger and a bigot". There is nothing rational, moderate or centrist about referring to his home state as the "redneck south".

People claim they want to see an end to partisan hackery but the above only fans the flames.

Is it your contention that war mongers and bigots don't exist, or that Tom Cotton isn't a war monger or bigot?
Either way, you don't have much of a case to make, but please go ahead and try.

mickeyrat

Given Cotton is a veteran officer fromn the iraq debacle , its entirely rational AND logical to think he may be suffering to some degree from PTSD. Thats an acknowledgement of a very real possibilty.

Cotton own statements and actions can rationally lead one to think he is a war monger etc.

Dont delude yourself in thinking he is actually representling the good people of Arkansas. He isnt.

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tom Cotton is an out and out psychopath whose only excuse must be PTSD.

And with that attack your credibility is gone.

As if you're an authority on credibility. Got a link to your credentials? Jeesh.

BS44325

Unbelievable. Obama caved on everything.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-signed-secret-document-to-lift-u-n-sanctions-on-iranian-banks-1475193723?mod=e2tw

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

Unbelievable. Obama caved on everything.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-signed-secret-document-to-lift-u-n-sanctions-on-iranian-banks-1475193723?mod=e2tw

Ooooooooooo, is the storm coming?

Halifax2TheMax

So has 'ol Rexy Boy withdrawn the US from this poor deal yet? Has good 'ol boy Rick Perry reformulated America's nuclear posture and where's Trump damning his Russian ally Iran? Does Iran have the bomb yet? They were within nine to twelve months away about eighteen months ago. Oops. More brilliance on display.

Halifax2TheMax

Seems like the Trump Administration has reported to congress that Iran is in compliance. Yea, Obama's team was incompetent. But now we have the brilliance of Rick Perry to renegotiate. I feel so secure in that knowledge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/19/trump-administration-grudgingly-faces-reality-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a:homepage/story&utm_term=.d97bc23874c0

BS44325

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

Don't forget this was a multilateral agreement. The other countries that were needed to sign on would only do so if the deal was limited to nuclear weapons. All other topics were off the table.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

Don't forget this was a multilateral agreement. The other countries that were needed to sign on would only do so if the deal was limited to nuclear weapons. All other topics were off the table.

Actually a lot of the deal has still been kept secret. Recall cash changing hands on tarmacs. Hopefully once the review is completed details can be made public.

rgambs

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

BS44325

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

Don't forget this was a multilateral agreement. The other countries that were needed to sign on would only do so if the deal was limited to nuclear weapons. All other topics were off the table.

Actually a lot of the deal has still been kept secret. Recall cash changing hands on tarmacs. Hopefully once the review is completed details can be made public.

I think you know these were frozen Iranian assets and a part of the deal. There was no secret to that.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

A nuclear Iran sounds better? They were funding terrorism before. It's not as if this was new.

rgambs

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

Yeah, it does. I recall a whole chorus of crickets when Democrats all across the nation asked what better solutions conservatives had.
Continue with the sanctions that weren't working, start a war... non-solutions

gimmesometruth27

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

Yeah, it does. I recall a whole chorus of crickets when Democrats all across the nation asked what better solutions conservatives had.
Continue with the sanctions that weren't working, start a war... non-solutions

their solution was to put their fingers in their ears and scream "noooooo!!!!" all while trying to sabotage the only idea that had been presented.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

A nuclear Iran sounds better? They were funding terrorism before. It's not as if this was new.

You're right. This deal will turn out perfect. Just like the North Korean deal of the 90's or just like the Syrian deal on chemical weapons where 100% of the weapons were removed. To see all of you defend the Iran deal with seemingly a straight face while Assad gasses his own people and the North Koreans develop long range missle technology is beyond absurd. All the Iran deal did was strenghten the mullahs, top them up with cash, and kick the can down the road. Heckuva job Barry.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

A nuclear Iran sounds better? They were funding terrorism before. It's not as if this was new.

You're right. This deal will turn out perfect. Just like the North Korean deal of the 90's or just like the Syrian deal on chemical weapons where 100% of the weapons were removed. To see all of you defend the Iran deal with seemingly a straight face while Assad gasses his own people and the North Koreans develop long range missle technology is beyond absurd. All the Iran deal did was strenghten the mullahs, top them up with cash, and kick the can down the road. Heckuva job Barry.

So what's your solution? More nation building? Nuclear annihilation? It's easy to be against something, much harder to accomplish something.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

A nuclear Iran sounds better? They were funding terrorism before. It's not as if this was new.

You're right. This deal will turn out perfect. Just like the North Korean deal of the 90's or just like the Syrian deal on chemical weapons where 100% of the weapons were removed. To see all of you defend the Iran deal with seemingly a straight face while Assad gasses his own people and the North Koreans develop long range missle technology is beyond absurd. All the Iran deal did was strenghten the mullahs, top them up with cash, and kick the can down the road. Heckuva job Barry.

So what's your solution? More nation building? Nuclear annihilation? It's easy to be against something, much harder to accomplish something.

The solution is victory.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Because they are in compliance doesn't necessarily mean it it is a good deal. It is not hard to comply with something where the compliance obligations are minimal.

The time when they would have had enough fissile materials for a nuclear weapon passed already. They didn't "break out".
They are running far fewer centrifuges, and they don't seem to be cheating, so far.

It's time to suck it up and admit this deal beats the pants off the non-solutions that it supplanted.

Don't forget about the mullahs using all that new cash to prop up their regime, fund terrorism, hezbollah, and Assad. It sure beats the pants off the non-solutions.

A nuclear Iran sounds better? They were funding terrorism before. It's not as if this was new.

You're right. This deal will turn out perfect. Just like the North Korean deal of the 90's or just like the Syrian deal on chemical weapons where 100% of the weapons were removed. To see all of you defend the Iran deal with seemingly a straight face while Assad gasses his own people and the North Koreans develop long range missle technology is beyond absurd. All the Iran deal did was strenghten the mullahs, top them up with cash, and kick the can down the road. Heckuva job Barry.

So what's your solution? More nation building? Nuclear annihilation? It's easy to be against something, much harder to accomplish something.

The solution is victory.

Okay, good plan Donald. Brilliant. That was our plan in Korea and Vietnam too.