Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    now trump is saying he is going to slap tough sanctions on iraq if they make us leave... this guy is just the absolute worst.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    yep. iran deal is dead. so do weclose this thread now?

    tom cotton is somewhere smiling.
    fortunately, edits are possible. title updated for current events...

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,660
    What was that debate about again? Something about WWII and Japanese Americans? What was the previous debate about again? Something about descending into facism and Nazi Germany? How it couldn’t possibly happen here? That white nationalist Stephen Miller is all up in here on this.

    ryme and lindamarie, do you agree?

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,520
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that debate about again? Something about WWII and Japanese Americans? What was the previous debate about again? Something about descending into facism and Nazi Germany? How it couldn’t possibly happen here? That white nationalist Stephen Miller is all up in here on this.

    ryme and lindamarie, do you agree?

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    Did you mean this stephen miller?


  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,096
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that debate about again? Something about WWII and Japanese Americans? What was the previous debate about again? Something about descending into facism and Nazi Germany? How it couldn’t possibly happen here? That white nationalist Stephen Miller is all up in here on this.

    ryme and lindamarie, do you agree?

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    Did you mean this stephen miller?



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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,392
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that debate about again? Something about WWII and Japanese Americans? What was the previous debate about again? Something about descending into facism and Nazi Germany? How it couldn’t possibly happen here? That white nationalist Stephen Miller is all up in here on this.

    ryme and lindamarie, do you agree?

    https://apple.news/A-UcAyO78Si-Y0uZv9jQqHQ
    Did you mean this stephen miller?


    Aren't there enough unsavoury actions from this guy that we can attack his policies rather than nonsense like the fact that he looks like another unsavoury figure? The picture comparison is childish and degrades the quality of the conversation and debate.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,096
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    So now there’s rules to what is kosher in the kill the bad guy play ? We just blew up the number two guy in Iran and people are pissed that they put a bounty on Baffoon’s head c’mon people wtf did you think Iran was gonna do holy fuck people are dense! There’s no rules in this game ...
    This is a bad take. You can’t be against what trump did and be ok with a bounty on his head from a foreign country. Well you can, but you’d be a gigantic hypocrite.

    This is a party driven conflict.

    this is not a country driven conflict

    the gop has had it in for Iran for years, from bomb bomb Iran to  trump personally escalating tensions

    the republicans start another Mid East war my beloved country can go f*ck itself

    let the red states pay for it all. Let the trump family and all its donors fight it

    time for tea party 2
    the red states unfortunately can't even pay their bills. many of the red states get more tax money sent to them than they pay in. 

    but i agree. let the trump supporters sign up and go fight. i saw that there was a significant increase in google searches for potential draft requirements, so people are getting scared and taking this seriously.

    That's the truth I was searching for.  Make the reds live on what they can afford.

    Hey, I'm a founding father. Why dont I write up a system where 35% can control the country and makes the 65% pay for the wars only the 35% want!

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,610
    World leaders and countries have an agreement to NOT kill other world leaders.  This is a reason why we never killed Khadafi, Noriega, Khomeini or Hussein.  Killing their military leader is different.  Dude was a general.

    Let us not forget that the Ayatollah liked to put bounties on people too.  I do believe Mr Rushdie has a price on his head?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    tempo_n_groove said:
    World leaders and countries have an agreement to NOT kill other world leaders.  This is a reason why we never killed Khadafi, Noriega, Khomeini or Hussein.  Killing their military leader is different.  Dude was a general.

    Let us not forget that the Ayatollah liked to put bounties on people too.  I do believe Mr Rushdie has a price on his head?
    isnt that a different ayatollah?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,610
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    World leaders and countries have an agreement to NOT kill other world leaders.  This is a reason why we never killed Khadafi, Noriega, Khomeini or Hussein.  Killing their military leader is different.  Dude was a general.

    Let us not forget that the Ayatollah liked to put bounties on people too.  I do believe Mr Rushdie has a price on his head?
    isnt that a different ayatollah?
    The same Ayatollah that we put in power, that we never killed, was the same one to place a bounty on Rushdie.

    If I am reading your question right?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,919
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    World leaders and countries have an agreement to NOT kill other world leaders.  This is a reason why we never killed Khadafi, Noriega, Khomeini or Hussein.  Killing their military leader is different.  Dude was a general.

    Let us not forget that the Ayatollah liked to put bounties on people too.  I do believe Mr Rushdie has a price on his head?
    isnt that a different ayatollah?
    The same Ayatollah that we put in power, that we never killed, was the same one to place a bounty on Rushdie.

    If I am reading your question right?
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Whelp, every Israel & Bibi told us were going alone in this one.  We have no support for attacking Iran. China & Russia are filling the power vacuum. Good jerb tRUmp!
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,610
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    World leaders and countries have an agreement to NOT kill other world leaders.  This is a reason why we never killed Khadafi, Noriega, Khomeini or Hussein.  Killing their military leader is different.  Dude was a general.

    Let us not forget that the Ayatollah liked to put bounties on people too.  I do believe Mr Rushdie has a price on his head?
    isnt that a different ayatollah?
    The same Ayatollah that we put in power, that we never killed, was the same one to place a bounty on Rushdie.

    If I am reading your question right?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    the ayatollah of rockn rollah!!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,919
    This admin is so incompetent.  They are strategically inept and cannot shoot straight.  This letter was issued today, and then secy Esper comes out and says no decision has been made..  fucking morons.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    mrussel1 said:
    This admin is so incompetent.  They are strategically inept and cannot shoot straight.  This letter was issued today, and then secy Esper comes out and says no decision has been made..  fucking morons.
    national embarrassment number 10, 389.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,783
    mrussel1 said:
    This admin is so incompetent.  They are strategically inept and cannot shoot straight.  This letter was issued today, and then secy Esper comes out and says no decision has been made..  fucking morons.
    right, so the man on the ground IN country writes a letter of respect etc that you would hope would be written, the honorable thing given the circumstances.

    I suspect he retires in due course.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415

    Trump properties could become Iranian targets

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-properties-could-become-iranian-targets-190912364.html

    There’s a unique set of targets Iran is likely eyeing as it contemplates retaliation for the U.S. killing of a top Iranian general in Iraq on Jan. 2: Trump Organization properties in 11 countries outside the United States.

    President Trump’s real-estate company owns or manages buildings bearing the Trump name in Canada, Dubai, India, Indonesia, Ireland, the Philippines, Scotland, South Korea, St. Martin, Turkey and Uruguay. Those properties are all listed on the company’s website.

    “[Iran] will look for the most opportune chance to strike back in a way that hurts President Trump personally,” Iran scholar Suzanne Maloney of the Brookings Institution said on a recent Lawfare podcast. “I will assume security around any Trump property is enhanced.”

    On Jan. 5, an Iranian official who advises the country’s president hinted that Iran is, in fact, tracking Trump properties. Hesameddin Ashena, who runs the Iranian president’s research outfit, posted a tweet, without comment, linking to a Forbes web page on Trump’s personal wealth that lists 19 Trump properties, mostly in the United States. The Trump Organization owns those properties. Most of the firm’s international properties are owned by others, with the Trump Organization branding and managing them.

    “We have ZERO problems with the American people,” Ashena wrote, in English, in a separate tweet. “Our sole problem is Trump. In the event of war, it is he who will bear full responsibility.”

    The Trump Organization did not respond to Yahoo Finance questions about security enhancements at properties it owns or manages.

    Watching for retaliation

    An Iranian attack on a Trump property in the United States would be an overt act of terrorism likely to trigger an aggressive U.S. military response that could be devastating for Iran. It might also generate domestic support for Trump and help him get reelected if it occurred before the November election. If Iran denied responsibility for such an attack, suspicion would fall on them anyway and it might not matter.

    An attack on a Trump property outside the United States might be different, since the United States wouldn’t automatically be able to characterize it as a violation of U.S. sovereignty. Foreign investigators might bungle the investigation into who did it. The United States could retaliate militarily against Iran as an ally, but that would be odd if it were in association with a country like Indonesia or the Philippines that isn’t a normal military partner and might not even want U.S. assistance.

    Security experts point out that in addition to conventional military assets such as missiles, mines and submarines, Iran has cyberwarfare capabilities and could cause digital disruption. Cyber attacks could narrowly target individual organizations or aim to cause havoc by disabling power grids or other essential infrastructure.

    Iranian-backed militias are known mainly for the trouble they cause in other parts of the Middle East, such as Yemen, Lebanon and Syria. But Iran has gone much further from home in the past to avenge perceived grievances. The Iranian proxy group Hezbollah planned and carried out two attacks on Jewish and Israeli sites in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1992 and 1994 that killed more than 100 and injured hundreds more. The trigger for those attacks was Argentina’s suspension of cooperation on nuclear technology with Iran.

    The theocratic nation faces tough choices in weighing how to respond to the U.S. airstrike that killed Iranian general Qassem Soleimani and five others as they were leaving the Baghdad airport on Jan. 2. Trump has threatened devastating retaliation for any attack that harms Americans and can be traced to Iran. And Iran would be the immediate suspect in a covert attack. “There will be a carefully calibrated response over the long term,” says Maloney of the Brookings Institution. “With an eye to what serves their interests best.”

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,772
    i'd bet on a summer attack. not on american soil. too risky for iran. by a rogue group that could claim responsibility but paid for by iran. 

    or eric trump conducts a false flag event and ends up accidentally shoving the lit dynamite up his own ass and blaming it on hillary. 
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    I really hope the situation will calm down and not the other way around. 

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