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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,990
    bootlegger10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I don’t either.  I don’t know what their end game is.  Iran can’t beat the US in a war so they aren’t going to go to full on war mode in the region.  Starting a war isn’t going to get rid of economic sanctions.  Gotta see what Russia would do.   The more real concern is targeted attacks a few times a year.  Trump will bomb them if they start up the nuclear program again. 

    As crazy as Trump is, I think Iran has to be a little nervous that Trump isn’t going to take their shit if they try to retaliate.  
    iran alone cannot beat us in a war. but iran with assistance from other countries in the middle east could really harm us and israel, because israel is the only ally we have left that would fight to help us. even that is questionable. they take our 4 billion a year and we still have to do their dirty work for them.
    For sure.  Further destabilization is gonna be one of their main options.  Pushing the nuclear program forward too.  

    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the world still is in 2020.  
    part of me thinks putin will pull the ultimate heel turn on trump and come into any conflict siding with iran. he has been buttering trump up for years and trump has fallen for it.

    i can see russia and china teaming up with iran on this. those two countries have been wanting a fight for a long time.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I don’t either.  I don’t know what their end game is.  Iran can’t beat the US in a war so they aren’t going to go to full on war mode in the region.  Starting a war isn’t going to get rid of economic sanctions.  Gotta see what Russia would do.   The more real concern is targeted attacks a few times a year.  Trump will bomb them if they start up the nuclear program again. 

    As crazy as Trump is, I think Iran has to be a little nervous that Trump isn’t going to take their shit if they try to retaliate.  
    iran alone cannot beat us in a war. but iran with assistance from other countries in the middle east could really harm us and israel, because israel is the only ally we have left that would fight to help us. even that is questionable. they take our 4 billion a year and we still have to do their dirty work for them.
    For sure.  Further destabilization is gonna be one of their main options.  Pushing the nuclear program forward too.  

    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the world still is in 2020.  
    part of me thinks putin will pull the ultimate heel turn on trump and come into any conflict siding with iran. he has been buttering trump up for years and trump has fallen for it.

    i can see russia and china teaming up with iran on this. those two countries have been wanting a fight for a long time.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-apparently-gets-its-ass-handed-to-it-in-war-games-2019-3
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,283
    Umm hey shithead, maybe you come back to washington since thousands are being deployed cuz of your recklessness......

    Trump warns Iran to not retaliate for U.S. airstrike
    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-u-hit-52-232633459.html

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,951
    bootlegger10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I don’t either.  I don’t know what their end game is.  Iran can’t beat the US in a war so they aren’t going to go to full on war mode in the region.  Starting a war isn’t going to get rid of economic sanctions.  Gotta see what Russia would do.   The more real concern is targeted attacks a few times a year.  Trump will bomb them if they start up the nuclear program again. 

    As crazy as Trump is, I think Iran has to be a little nervous that Trump isn’t going to take their shit if they try to retaliate.  
    iran alone cannot beat us in a war. but iran with assistance from other countries in the middle east could really harm us and israel, because israel is the only ally we have left that would fight to help us. even that is questionable. they take our 4 billion a year and we still have to do their dirty work for them.
    For sure.  Further destabilization is gonna be one of their main options.  Pushing the nuclear program forward too.  

    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the world still is in 2020.  
    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the United States still is in 2020. Can’t exist without a boogeyman to saber rattle at. Mix in gun culture and lack of health insurance, high incarceration rate, one in five children living in poverty and going hungry and I’d argue we’re headed toward shit hole country status.
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  • mickeyrat
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    ummm just yesterday there was no threat here.....


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    is this actually true?


    Among others who indicate that this is true:
    Fox via fox10phoenix
    vox.com
    Rolling Stone
    politico.com
    Washington Post
    CNN
    thehill.com
    theres a tweet for everything....

    I don't tweet.

    And I only bark when I'm righteously pissed.  And what our POTus is doing?...


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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I don’t either.  I don’t know what their end game is.  Iran can’t beat the US in a war so they aren’t going to go to full on war mode in the region.  Starting a war isn’t going to get rid of economic sanctions.  Gotta see what Russia would do.   The more real concern is targeted attacks a few times a year.  Trump will bomb them if they start up the nuclear program again. 

    As crazy as Trump is, I think Iran has to be a little nervous that Trump isn’t going to take their shit if they try to retaliate.  
    iran alone cannot beat us in a war. but iran with assistance from other countries in the middle east could really harm us and israel, because israel is the only ally we have left that would fight to help us. even that is questionable. they take our 4 billion a year and we still have to do their dirty work for them.
    For sure.  Further destabilization is gonna be one of their main options.  Pushing the nuclear program forward too.  

    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the world still is in 2020.  
    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the United States still is in 2020. Can’t exist without a boogeyman to saber rattle at. Mix in gun culture and lack of health insurance, high incarceration rate, one in five children living in poverty and going hungry and I’d argue we’re headed toward shit hole country status.

    You hit it right on H2M.  Yes, this pretty much wraps up where we're heading. 

    This is a good time time to clean house, move past any bullshit notions winning some fucking war, start taking care of each other and the planet, make great music again, become smarter again, have a clear vision again.  That or just eat shit.  Not a hard choice if we think about it.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,516
    It’s like we have a 12 yr old playing war games with the world, take a look at those videos of protest over there do we really think those young boys will grow up to admire America? 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,381
    edited January 2020
    josevolution said:
    It’s like we have a 12 yr old playing war games with the world, take a look at those videos of protest over there do we really think those young boys will grow up to admire America? 
    He's an immature, narcissistic, petulant,  spoiled 12yr old behaving like a 5yr old who throws a tantrum everytime he doesn't  get what he wants or feels slighted in some way.
    Who also happens to be a lying racist xenophobe who doesn't understand nor care about the constitution.

    Now imagine his supporters/voters
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  • CM189191
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Fuck...
    What happens after we bomb those 52 sites? It’s happening. Iran is gonna retaliate, Trump already said 52 sites. Will it be all 52 at once?
    “Cultural Sites”? 

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Hi! said:
    Fuck...
    What happens after we bomb those 52 sites? It’s happening. Iran is gonna retaliate, Trump already said 52 sites. Will it be all 52 at once?
    “Cultural Sites”? 
    Deliberately attacking cultural sites is a war crime
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,381
    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Fuck...
    What happens after we bomb those 52 sites? It’s happening. Iran is gonna retaliate, Trump already said 52 sites. Will it be all 52 at once?
    “Cultural Sites”? 
    Deliberately attacking cultural sites is a war crime
    The currently elected president does not understand or believe in the constitution so "war crimes" meaning to him or his supporters. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Fuck...
    What happens after we bomb those 52 sites? It’s happening. Iran is gonna retaliate, Trump already said 52 sites. Will it be all 52 at once?
    “Cultural Sites”? 
    Deliberately attacking cultural sites is a war crime
    I doubt he ever read “monuments men.”  Fucking isis destroyed cultural sites, we can’t be on that level.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,951
    Hi! said:
    Fuck...
    What happens after we bomb those 52 sites? It’s happening. Iran is gonna retaliate, Trump already said 52 sites. Will it be all 52 at once?
    “Cultural Sites”? 
    I thought you weren’t supposed to tell your enemy what you were targeting? Oh wait, a Syrian airbase with Russian MIGs that was empty when we bombed it? That’s our CIC?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,798
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I don’t either.  I don’t know what their end game is.  Iran can’t beat the US in a war so they aren’t going to go to full on war mode in the region.  Starting a war isn’t going to get rid of economic sanctions.  Gotta see what Russia would do.   The more real concern is targeted attacks a few times a year.  Trump will bomb them if they start up the nuclear program again. 

    As crazy as Trump is, I think Iran has to be a little nervous that Trump isn’t going to take their shit if they try to retaliate.  
    iran alone cannot beat us in a war. but iran with assistance from other countries in the middle east could really harm us and israel, because israel is the only ally we have left that would fight to help us. even that is questionable. they take our 4 billion a year and we still have to do their dirty work for them.
    For sure.  Further destabilization is gonna be one of their main options.  Pushing the nuclear program forward too.  

    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the world still is in 2020.  
    It is just so fucking weird how fucked up the United States still is in 2020. Can’t exist without a boogeyman to saber rattle at. Mix in gun culture and lack of health insurance, high incarceration rate, one in five children living in poverty and going hungry and I’d argue we’re headed toward shit hole country status.
    Well in reality, there is always a boogeyman. Denying that is kinda crazy. It’s just that the real boogeyman right now is Russia and Putin. All the others are pieces of the chess board (NK, Iran, Syria) and instill wonder where China fits in. Cause those fuckers are boogeymen too for all the intellectual property they have stolen over the years. They are no ones friend. 

    That said I cannot believe how apparent it is that trump is using the embassy issue to remind his voters of Benghazi and that he is acting all tough militarily to deflect from the impeachment and the fact that he is still doing nothing to protect the USA and the elections from the real boogeyman.

    And, trump is a the boogeyman for far too many. The US President isn’t going to make everyone friends, the US president will always be someone’s boogeyman, but trump has taken this to a whole other level.
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  • cincybearcat
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    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Fuck...
    What happens after we bomb those 52 sites? It’s happening. Iran is gonna retaliate, Trump already said 52 sites. Will it be all 52 at once?
    “Cultural Sites”? 
    Deliberately attacking cultural sites is a war crime
    It’s worse than that to me. Just awful and to say it shows a complete lack of any morales. But it’s just 1 more piece of evidence of this for trump. We already knew that.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,283
    JCPOA IS OVER.

    Live Updates: Iran Ends Commitment to Nuclear Deal https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/world/middleeast/Iran-us-trump.html

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,990
    yep. iran deal is dead. so do we close this thread now?

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,876
    mickeyrat said:
    JCPOA IS OVER.

    Live Updates: Iran Ends Commitment to Nuclear Deal https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/world/middleeast/Iran-us-trump.html

    The whole thing is sickening.  The sad irony is that Trump would take the JCPOA deal, all day, every day with NK and declare it the greatest negotiation success of all time.  

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