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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
    You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
    Let s be fair, Iran has been stirring the pot since Carter.  
    To be fair,  as a reaction to the ridiculous carving of the ottoman empire and subsequent 50 years as a client or puppet state.  I certainly don't blame the people.  However,  the Revolutionary Guard hasn't done its people any favors since 79.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
    You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
    Let s be fair, Iran has been stirring the pot since Carter.  
    everything seemed pretty ok until trump walked in and fucked it all up in the name of un-obama-ing everything. 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Hi!
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    Have we bombed inside Irans boarders since Trump took office, or since tensions have ratcheted up? Just curious. I’m sure we will be tonight and I guess I wonder if that’s a whole new level of escalation. 

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
    You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
    Let s be fair, Iran has been stirring the pot since Carter.  
    To be fair,  as a reaction to the ridiculous carving of the ottoman empire and subsequent 50 years as a client or puppet state.  I certainly don't blame the people.  However,  the Revolutionary Guard hasn't done its people any favors since 79.
    You re going Ottoman Empire?! Wow.  And I can tell you didn’t google that.    You and I need to sit down one day and just talk history. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
    You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.
    Let s be fair, Iran has been stirring the pot since Carter.  
    everything seemed pretty ok until trump walked in and fucked it all up in the name of un-obama-ing everything. 

    I remember... pepperidge farms remembers.

    It's a fact that since Trump took office,  our relationship with Iran has plummeted,  this after the Shia helped us with ISIS.  We had the opportunity to bring Iran into a peaceful fold but we have been belligerent since January '17.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    So?

    Funny you're in here defending the act (of war). 

    My god.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    Should someone have assassinated Nixon then? I mean the guy prolonged the murder of the vietnamese people to win an election - that's some cold hearted not so fucking Boy Scout-ish shit?

    Or war criminal W Bush lying himself to a war in Iraq and all the blood that is on his hands?

    Let's not pretend they were Boy Scouts. Right? Fair game?

    Or you find it more okey when they are from the middle east?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,840
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 

    This is a gop war. They alone have been escalating with Iran over the last ten years. There is nothing wrong having a peaceful presence in the region to keep the oil flowing.

    No one is sayin Iran are Boy Scouts. But trump has been goading Iran , since the day he took office after Obama tried peace. 

    Haley’s comments today are disgusting and dishonest. She was supposed to be one of the moderate republicans and she proved herself to be a liar. No one in the dem party is shedding tears for Iran, we just don’t want another republican war.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    So?

    Funny you're in here defending the act (of war). 

    My god.
    I ve actually been against this assassination since the beginning. RIF

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 

    This is a gop war. They alone have been escalating with Iran over the last ten years. There is nothing wrong having a peaceful presence in the region to keep the oil flowing.

    No one is sayin Iran are Boy Scouts. But trump has been goading Iran , since the day he took office after Obama tried peace. 

    Haley’s comments today are disgusting and dishonest. She was supposed to be one of the moderate republicans and she proved herself to be a liar. No one in the dem party is shedding tears for Iran, we just don’t want another republican war.
    This is very reminiscent of the Cold War. A few proxy wars, some confrontations, threat of war but no all out war.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    So?

    Funny you're in here defending the act (of war). 

    My god.
    I ve actually been against this assassination since the beginning. RIF

    But let's anyways make sure to point out that the guy who was assinateted was not a boy scout. 

    Lol. sure jan.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited January 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    So?

    Funny you're in here defending the act (of war). 

    My god.
    I ve actually been against this assassination since the beginning. RIF

    But let's anyways make sure to point out that the guy who was assinateted was not a boy scout. 

    Lol. sure jan.
    I m not sure what your point is. Dude was a bad guy; Are you debating that?
    What grade would you give Iran in the area of human rights?

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    So?

    Funny you're in here defending the act (of war). 

    My god.
    I ve actually been against this assassination since the beginning. RIF

    But let's anyways make sure to point out that the guy who was assinateted was not a boy scout. 

    Lol. sure jan.
    I m not sure what your point is. Dude was a bad guy; Are you debating that?

    To me, it’s irrelevant.  I think it was a strategic blunder caused, mostly, by not having a strategy. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,558
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    what dreams said:
    When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 
     when was the last time a country invaded the US under the guise of liberation just to control the region's oil supply, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, bragged "mission accomplished", and occupied that territory for a decade. 

    just imagine if that happened. you'd be in the streets shouting at the top of you lungs too. 
    Yeah but that was Iraq, not Iran. I agree with what dreams.  Pull the hell
    out of the Middle East and let them sort out their own problems. 
    And maybe not assassinate people in their military. 

    Let’s not pretend the guy was a Boy Scout.  
    So?

    Funny you're in here defending the act (of war). 

    My god.
    I ve actually been against this assassination since the beginning. RIF

    But let's anyways make sure to point out that the guy who was assinateted was not a boy scout. 

    Lol. sure jan.
    I m not sure what your point is. Dude was a bad guy; Are you debating that?

    To me, it’s irrelevant.  I think it was a strategic blunder caused, mostly, by not having a strategy. 
    Agreed.  I m anxious to see trump s next move.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,558
    This could turn real ugly fast tonight 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....

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