Pit bull lover? Don't live in Mississippi

backseatLover12

Proposed Law Would Let Police Enter Homes Without Warrants And Shoot Dogs
House Bill 1261 not only says police may enter homes without warrants, but they could actually kill a homeowner's pet if the dogs are “not under proper restraint when on the premises of its owner”.

A new bill has been proposed which would allow police officers to enter any home, regardless of whether or not they have a warrant, if there is a pit bull on the property. Even worse, the bill would allow officers to shoot and kill the dog if only a handful of conditions were met.

The Huffington Post reported that measure would make Mississippi the only state in history with a policy against a specific dog breed.

House Bill 1261 not only says police may enter homes without warrants, but they could actually kill the animal if they determine the dogs are “not under proper restraint when on the premises of its owner” or if they are not wearing vaccination tags and “attempts to peacefully capture the dog have been made and proven unsuccessful.”

The bill is being called the Mississippi Regulation of Dangerous Dogs Act, and proponents say it is intended “create civil and criminal penalties for failing to keep dangerous dogs securely confined and under restraint, and for failing to meet certain requirements designed to protect the public.”

“This bill would make Mississippi the only state in the nation with a statewide policy discriminating against a specific dog breed, and the impact on local communities, animal shelters, and law enforcement would be disastrous,” Chloe Waterman, the senior manager of state legislative strategy for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said.

“Dogs permitted by their owners to run loose, and dogs who attack people or other animals, pose a serious problem to public safety. But breed-specific dangerous dog laws are ineffective, inhumane and costly.”

Kris Diaz, executive director of a group that advocates for breed-neutral legislation, said that “the fourth amendment clearly protects people from such actions.

“This bill effectively removes any protections people have from unreasonable search and seizure, and opens the door to using a dangerous dog claim as a way to scrutinize people for things they couldn’t otherwise get a warrant for.”

http://www.mintpressnews.com/proposed-law-would-let-police-enter-homes-without-warrants-and-shoot-dogs/203140/

brianlux

Oh man! If that bill passes... but just that fact that the bill has made it this far.

States I would consider moving to:
Mississippi

Last-12-Exit

It wouldn't bother me one iota if every pit bull on the planet would die.

rgambs

This is so messed up. How do they determine a "dangerous dog"???? The most dangerous dogs I have ever been around were ex K-9 units...go figure lol

rr165892

Last-12-Exit said:

It wouldn't bother me one iota if every pit bull on the planet would die.

I know why you said that. A medic buddy at the gym always is bitchin about it when he goes on calls.But they are one of the kindest most loving,faithful dogs on the planet.Just beautiful creatures.You should reconsider your stance.BtW,I say this as someone who was attack by one about 25 years ago.Tore up my fore arm and back of leg pretty good.But That was an individual dog with an asshole owner.Cant blame the breed.

brianlux

rr165892 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

It wouldn't bother me one iota if every pit bull on the planet would die.

I know why you said that. A medic buddy at the gym always is bitchin about it when he goes on calls.But they are one of the kindest most loving,faithful dogs on the planet.Just beautiful creatures.You should reconsider your stance.BtW,I say this as someone who was attack by one about 25 years ago.Tore up my fore arm and back of leg pretty good.But That was an individual dog with an asshole owner.Cant blame the breed.

I used to be a bit fearful of pit bulls too until one day when we had taken our yellow lab Ari in to see our vet and while she was in there being checked out a pit bull that the Doc had rescued came up to me and, oh man, that was the sweetest dog in the world. She had been really badly torn up- I'm not sure how but that dog had been so badly injured a year or so previously that she made Oogy look like the perfect show dog. But I'm telling you, that dog could melt the heart of a Terminator.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

It wouldn't bother me one iota if every pit bull on the planet would die.

What a terrible thing to say. I was attacked by an ex K-9 as a child, and I don't think all German Shepherds should die. You, and everybody like you, are terribly uninformed about dogs and breeds.
Is it just the pure-bred Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier? Or does the American Bulldog count? And does that include mutts that look like Pits? What about German Boxers, they are often mistaken for Pits? All of them?

Jason P

I look at pit bull ownership the same way I do gun regulation. You should have to take a test to prove you are competent and obtain a a license.

brianlux

This is the part of the OP article linked I'm surprised we haven't addressed here:

“This bill effectively removes any protections people have from unreasonable search and seizure, and opens the door to using a dangerous dog claim as a way to scrutinize people for things they couldn’t otherwise get a warrant for.”

Last-12-Exit

My hatred of pit bulls runs back to my childhood where I would have to walk out of my way to avoid that blood lusting dog on the corner. Then when I was about 10, I was walking home from school when a blood sucking pit bull broke the zip zie that was holding him back and attacked me from behind. I kicked that dog in the head with everything I had and it still kept on going. Finally I was able to get t my lunch box and open it up to distract him long enough for me to run home.

Fuck those vampire animals. They serve no good purpose.

brianlux

Last-12-Exit said:

My hatred of pit bulls runs back to my childhood where I would have to walk out of my way to avoid that blood lusting dog on the corner. Then when I was about 10, I was walking home from school when a blood sucking pit bull broke the zip zie that was holding him back and attacked me from behind. I kicked that dog in the head with everything I had and it still kept on going. Finally I was able to get t my lunch box and open it up to distract him long enough for me to run home.

Fuck those vampire animals. They serve no good purpose.

Shit! I can see why you would not be a pit bull fan. But do you really mean "fuck those vampire animals" or do you mean, "Fuck the irresponsible owners who trained them to be aggressive"? Most of the time, that is the problem. To paraphrase George Carlin, "It's not the dogs that are fucked, it's the people that are fucked".

hedonist

rr165892 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

It wouldn't bother me one iota if every pit bull on the planet would die.

I know why you said that. A medic buddy at the gym always is bitchin about it when he goes on calls.But they are one of the kindest most loving,faithful dogs on the planet.Just beautiful creatures.You should reconsider your stance.BtW,I say this as someone who was attack by one about 25 years ago.Tore up my fore arm and back of leg pretty good.But That was an individual dog with an asshole owner.Cant blame the breed.

Bless you, rr.

And Jason, yes! Not just pits, either.

Last-12-Exit

brianlux said:

Last-12-Exit said:

My hatred of pit bulls runs back to my childhood where I would have to walk out of my way to avoid that blood lusting dog on the corner. Then when I was about 10, I was walking home from school when a blood sucking pit bull broke the zip zie that was holding him back and attacked me from behind. I kicked that dog in the head with everything I had and it still kept on going. Finally I was able to get t my lunch box and open it up to distract him long enough for me to run home.

Fuck those vampire animals. They serve no good purpose.

Shit! I can see why you would not be a pit bull fan. But do you really mean "fuck those vampire animals" or do you mean, "Fuck the irresponsible owners who trained them to be aggressive"? Most of the time, that is the problem. To paraphrase George Carlin, "It's not the dogs that are fucked, it's the people that are fucked".

I was not for executing my neighbors but would liked to see them flogged. Still doesn't sway my hatred for that blood luster species. Die.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

There are so many breeds that make loving pets and pose less risk to the neighborhood children.

I don't listen to people try and tell me that a Pitbull is just as loving as a Pomeranian. A Pitbull is a working dog just like the aforementioned German Shepherd. These dogs are great for aggressively guarding things or providing companionship and safety for people in isolation (ranchers, remote forest workers, etc.).

The stories are too numerous to begin citing any one in particular, but I seethe when I hear some idiot say, "He's never bit anyone before" when their beast mauls a child. Yes... yes your dog has not bitten anyone yet, but the breed of your dog has a deep history of unpredictable behavior relevant to their instincts. Don't act surprised... you purchased a Pitbull to do the job you need from a Yorkshire Terrier and you got the aggression that comes with it.

Hipsters that get Pitbulls for pets to sit inside their condominiums all day are as goofy as one can get. Rodent-like, skinny little morons that get Pitbulls to enhance their penis size are worse though.

We've had really bad luck with dogs. I'm just not a fan of Wolves, Huskies, Pitbulls, Rottweilers, or German Shepherds (to name a few) as family pets.

And arguing this, to me, is like arguing against guns. People rationalize and deflect to the 'owner' refusing to concede that the dog can be very dangerous and not worth the risk as an urban family pet.

hedonist

I understand your view as much as I respect you, Thirty - and have read of your / your family's past experiences. The breed is powerful for sure (as are the others you mentioned), but most any dog can turn if/when provoked. It, to me, does come down to the owner at the time.

As to wolves, I've heard of some being domesticated, but it just seems wrong to have it as a pet.

PJfanwillneverleave1

It is strange at times that problems in society that people have with pitbulls reminds me of a prolific novel I once read.
I read this book quite some time ago and this extract has played key when I try to explain to people how "they just don't understand how an infant in a car seat was mauled by their family dog",
let alone a fucking pitbull.

Pitbull owners like their owners are a special breed not to be confused with owners of pets eventually look like them.
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/4218-extract-from-chapter-2-of-the-greatest-show-on-earth-the-truth-dogs-reveal-about-evolution

Fuck pitbulls
They continue to be bred with the selfish gene.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

I understand your view as much as I respect you, Thirty - and have read of your / your family's past experiences. The breed is powerful for sure (as are the others you mentioned), but most any dog can turn if/when provoked. It, to me, does come down to the owner at the time.

As to wolves, I've heard of some being domesticated, but it just seems wrong to have it as a pet.

When the dog turns though... you have a cap gun (Yorky that can do nothing to anyone) compared to a .38 (Pitbull that can rip your throat out).

And Hedo... thanks for all the understanding. It has not been lost on me that we think very much alike. We can disagree here without the slightest of disappointment or regret on my side.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

I understand your view as much as I respect you, Thirty - and have read of your / your family's past experiences. The breed is powerful for sure (as are the others you mentioned), but most any dog can turn if/when provoked. It, to me, does come down to the owner at the time.

As to wolves, I've heard of some being domesticated, but it just seems wrong to have it as a pet.

When the dog turns though... you have a cap gun (Yorky that can do nothing to anyone) compared to a .38 (Pitbull that can rip your throat out).

And Hedo... thanks for all the understanding. It has not been lost on me that we think very much alike. We can disagree here without the slightest of disappointment or regret on my side.

Nor on mine (and thank you).

I continue to advocate these dogs - despite my initial fear/intimidation based (and admittedly) solely on what I'd read/heard from others. I can't not support those (if anyone is so inclined to check out!) rescues and the like who have saved these animals so severely neglected and hurt, who have shown them love and kindness, who have given them loving homes with warmth and free of chains, a sweet and happy life.

I've mentioned Pit Bulls & Parolees many times...I encourage viewing just even a bit. It may not change anyone's views as it did mine, but perhaps present a different one.

rr165892

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

I understand your view as much as I respect you, Thirty - and have read of your / your family's past experiences. The breed is powerful for sure (as are the others you mentioned), but most any dog can turn if/when provoked. It, to me, does come down to the owner at the time.

As to wolves, I've heard of some being domesticated, but it just seems wrong to have it as a pet.

When the dog turns though... you have a cap gun (Yorky that can do nothing to anyone) compared to a .38 (Pitbull that can rip your throat out).

And Hedo... thanks for all the understanding. It has not been lost on me that we think very much alike. We can disagree here without the slightest of disappointment or regret on my side.

Nor on mine (and thank you).

I continue to advocate these dogs - despite my initial fear/intimidation based (and admittedly) solely on what I'd read/heard from others. I can't not support those (if anyone is so inclined to check out!) rescues and the like who have saved these animals so severely neglected and hurt, who have shown them love and kindness, who have given them loving homes with warmth and free of chains, a sweet and happy life.

I've mentioned Pit Bulls & Parolees many times...I encourage viewing just even a bit. It may not change anyone's views as it did mine, but perhaps present a different one.

The lady on that show is doing wonderful things.It always makes me think "Who rescued who"?

rr165892

Btw Dalmations I think are the breed that bites the most,followed by the poodle.If I am remembering proper.

Last-12-Exit

rr165892 said:

Btw Dalmations I think are the breed that bites the most,followed by the poodle.If I am remembering proper.

Dalmations are also a breed I could live without seeing again for the rest of my life.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

It is strange at times that problems in society that people have with pitbulls reminds me of a prolific novel I once read.
I read this book quite some time ago and this extract has played key when I try to explain to people how "they just don't understand how an infant in a car seat was mauled by their family dog",
let alone a fucking pitbull.

Pitbull owners like their owners are a special breed not to be confused with owners of pets eventually look like them.
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/4218-extract-from-chapter-2-of-the-greatest-show-on-earth-the-truth-dogs-reveal-about-evolution

Fuck pitbulls
They continue to be bred with the selfish gene.

Not at all sure where you were going with this...you seem to be arguing the innate wildness of dogs but the excert is making a point AGAINST that theory...

lolobugg

Last-12-Exit said:

rr165892 said:

Btw Dalmations I think are the breed that bites the most,followed by the poodle.If I am remembering proper.

Dalmations are also a breed I could live without seeing again for the rest of my life.

Better call.... Mike Vick and Cruella Deville.

seriously though.....pit bulls were bred for blood sports so inherently they will have the tendency to attack. my in-laws had a Rottweiler for years.. they had her professionally trained. and she was the sweetest dog ever. so big she could lift you up off your feet. so I can see why people would fear these dogs if they are not properly trained from birth. I really don't know how I feel other than I would never approach either of these breeds if I didn't trust the owner and know 100% that they had been thru some kind of training.

Edit: Here is a link for you Scott.... I know you are a sports fan too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25101022/report-jadeveon-clowney-bitten-by-teammates-pit-bull

curly

they passed some sort of laws against pit bulls a few years back just over the river in council bluffs, Iowa from where I live here in Omaha... Either way...this is a tough topic that I can relate with both sides... so sorry,..but quite frankly... I'm staying out of this one...

rgambs

Here is something interesting a quick google search turned up...https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php

It appears that a child is much more likely to suffer at the hands of a family member than a dog.

"In 2012, state agencies identified an estimated 1,640 children who died as a result of abuse and neglect — between four and five children a day. 3 However, studies also indicate significant undercounting of child maltreatment fatalities by state agencies — by 50% or more. 10"

"A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008."

"Every year more than 3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving more than 6 million children (a report can include multiple children)."

"In 2001, an estimated 368,245 persons were treated in U.S. emergency rooms for nonfatal dog bite-related injuries."

Of course, these stats don't come close to telling the whole story...

callen

Have mixed thoughts on Pits.

First it's NOT the dogs fault.

I have very close friend and he has two and his buddies have several more. When I go to their house and they are outside they come at me. Once I'm in the pack all kisses and petting. Pits are dangerous and I don't understand why one would want one.

I do though know that many love their dogs. Had dogs all my life including German shepherd.

As with Guns and yes perfect example Humans aren't very swift and many can't handle responsibility of owning a Pitt.

So I think we should stop breeding them. Yes get that there are other dogs out there that hurt but Pitts are a problem.

Unauthorized search and seizure is nuts.

hedonist

Good points, callen...and as to stopping breeding them, I say this goes for all. Might as well throw cats into that mix.

Neuter / spay your animals, people! Shelters and rescues are overflowing. I say once they're emptied, let the breeding begin again.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Here is something interesting a quick google search turned up...https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php

It appears that a child is much more likely to suffer at the hands of a family member than a dog.

"In 2012, state agencies identified an estimated 1,640 children who died as a result of abuse and neglect — between four and five children a day. 3 However, studies also indicate significant undercounting of child maltreatment fatalities by state agencies — by 50% or more. 10"

"A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008."

"Every year more than 3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving more than 6 million children (a report can include multiple children)."

"In 2001, an estimated 368,245 persons were treated in U.S. emergency rooms for nonfatal dog bite-related injuries."

Of course, these stats don't come close to telling the whole story...

And more people die or get injured in automobile accidents than guns each year.

So what are you saying?

rgambs

Jason P said:

I look at pit bull ownership the same way I do gun regulation. You should have to take a test to prove you are competent and obtain a a license.

I'm not against this (provided the process makes sense) because it would benefit the dogs as well. You should not have a large breed sporting dog if you do not exercise often...dogs need to cover miles, if you wont do that, you shouldnt have any of the "dangerous" or high energy breeds.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Here is something interesting a quick google search turned up...https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php

It appears that a child is much more likely to suffer at the hands of a family member than a dog.

"In 2012, state agencies identified an estimated 1,640 children who died as a result of abuse and neglect — between four and five children a day. 3 However, studies also indicate significant undercounting of child maltreatment fatalities by state agencies — by 50% or more. 10"

"A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008."

"Every year more than 3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving more than 6 million children (a report can include multiple children)."

"In 2001, an estimated 368,245 persons were treated in U.S. emergency rooms for nonfatal dog bite-related injuries."

Of course, these stats don't come close to telling the whole story...

And more people die or get injured in automobile accidents than guns each year.

So what are you saying?

Just saying it is interesting to note the scale of the problem. As I said, it doesn't tell the whole story, it's not an argument as much as a note.

callen

hedonist said:

Good points, callen...and as to stopping breeding them, I say this goes for all. Might as well throw cats into that mix.

Neuter / spay your animals, people! Shelters and rescues are overflowing. I say once they're emptied, let the breeding begin again.

Mutt from shelter only way to get a pooch. Fuck pure breeds.