Two Aussie's to be executed within days by firing squad

PJfanwillneverleave1

pljam said:

pljam said:

The time has come for two Australian and eight other people to be shot this week or early next for drug smuggling in Indonesia
The Aussie's have been jailed for nine years now on death row
It's so sad to think ten people will be tied to a post and shot through the heart from thirty meters away,the Australian men were just young men when caught attempting to smuggle heroin back to Australia 21 and 22 yrs old
By all reports by other prisoners they have stated how over the duration of the nine years the two have totally reformed and have even helped get other prisoners back on track with total dedication and respect and care
I get they have broken laws and made a detrimental mistake and it can be argued the amount of lives ruined by drugs is pathetic and it sadly is but I can't see how blowing a person's heart apart is the answer,give them life or what ever
This execution kills the soul's of so many innocent people,the parent's,grand parent's,sisters, brothers and friends.
I have a 24 yr old son and he is a great honest person but what iif in a moment of weakness got vacuumed into the parasite leach sucking life of these dealers ,drug lords could happen to anybody young ,naïve and desperate
I am not attempting to cause a debate on drugs and death penalties,just a guy sitting at home listening to PJ and trying to comprehend the barbaric act that is about to take place
On our news bulletin tonight they reported how both the prisoners being lead off to the island where they will be shot thanked the guards deporting them for looking after them and pleaded they look after their fellow prisoners totally excepting there fate
Brave and honourable people who had an obvious brain fade in the name of greed nine years ago
We all are master's of our destiny and make decisions right or wrong but to pay with your life in this manner is disturbing it was reported at the last firing where eleven people were shot(murdered) it took six minutes for the first person to die and eleven minutes the longest for the last person,that was told by a guard that was present and is now remorseful
My heart goes out to all ,the ones being shot and all their families,a sad ,sad situation

our papers here in Aus are plastered with photo's of some military police taking selfies standing next to the men to be shot

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redraw

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...

I'm pretty sure their sentencing for murder does not include the DP, yet they view drug smuggling as ruining lives & society so are more severe with the punishment handed down.
Heard on the news y'day that they still plead with other countries to release Indonesians that face the same fate - doesn't seem quite right to me....

for the same crime that elicits DP in Indonesia? Note that the law is centered on smugglers , who it could be rightly argued that they are profiting off of others misery as well as the wider crime that occurs in feeding a narcotic habit.


In my view if you are going to take the risk knowing what the consequences are then fuck ya when ya get caught.

Not really sure if the crimes are the same, but I find it strange they will try to get other countries to change their laws yet refuse to even consider revoking their own...
Our government has even offered a trade of 3 Indonesians convicted for the same thing (and a much larger quantity) 15 years ago but their President literally laughed at this deal...
I would prefer my tax dollars go towards paying for 2 Aussies in jail rather than 3 Indonesians!!!

But I do agree - the big signs & the guys with machine guns at the airport make it pretty clear what the law is over there....
Everyone knows the risks when they go there - personally I don't think that makes the death penalty a good thing

redraw

Sorry - my mobile keeps screwing with the quotes...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

I wonder if Indonesia's prisons are similar to that depicted in Midnight Express. That should be mandatory viewing / reading for anyone considering messing with drug laws (fucked or not) while abroad.

As a side note... one of my all time favourite movies .

heidihi

As an Australian myself, I have to say I cannot turn the television on at the moment without shedding a tear. It is just so sad and the media is saturating news broadcasts- my heart breaks for these young men.... they were 20 odd when they committed the crime.... I am also shocked by people's reactions - some people actually support this... it breaks my heart!

pdalowsky

we can only hope for some common sense to suddenly leak through to those about to terminate these men.

They are going to seriously damage their diplomatic ties even further, and for what gain? sending out a message to the world that is already well known and has zero effect?

I cannot start to comprehend what will go through the minds of those guys as they are led out to their post for that final moment.

I read the Brazilian guy who was executed by them last month, had to be hosed down before they shot him as his bowels lost complete control. unimaginable.

Yes I get the laws are laws, but its not always quite as black and white as that, we never know the full story, the circumstances that led to the crime, external factors that could apply pressure, controls over the people etc......

badbrains

As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

pdalowsky

badbrains said:

As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

preferably yes

badbrains

pdalowsky said:

badbrains said:

As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

preferably yes

Why? Who are you to say their laws are wrong? It amazes me at what some of you get riled up on and stay silent on.

pdalowsky

badbrains said:

pdalowsky said:

badbrains said:

As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

preferably yes

Why? Who are you to say their laws are wrong? It amazes me at what some of you get riled up on and stay silent on.

to me they are wrong, and that means yes I would like them to change their laws.

perfectly simple to understand really. I recognise I have no voice in asking them to change their laws, and my position is one that isn't of any consequence to them, but it doesn't change the fact that my answer to your question was, yes.

badbrains

pdalowsky said:

badbrains said:

pdalowsky said:

badbrains said:

As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

preferably yes

Why? Who are you to say their laws are wrong? It amazes me at what some of you get riled up on and stay silent on.

to me they are wrong, and that means yes I would like them to change their laws.

perfectly simple to understand really. I recognise I have no voice in asking them to change their laws, and my position is one that isn't of any consequence to them, but it doesn't change the fact that my answer to your question was, yes.

And that's fine and dandy

lolobugg

feel bad for these guys...
but don't smuggle in Indonesia....
pretty well known that these fucks don't play around with drug runners...
these guys knew the risk.