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The time has come for two Australian and eight other people to be shot this week or early next for drug smuggling in Indonesia
The Aussie's have been jailed for nine years now on death row
It's so sad to think ten people will be tied to a post and shot through the heart from thirty meters away,the Australian men were just young men when caught attempting to smuggle heroin back to Australia 21 and 22 yrs old
By all reports by other prisoners they have stated how over the duration of the nine years the two have totally reformed and have even helped get other prisoners back on track with total dedication and respect and care
I get they have broken laws and made a detrimental mistake and it can be argued the amount of lives ruined by drugs is pathetic and it sadly is but I can't see how blowing a person's heart apart is the answer,give them life or what ever
This execution kills the soul's of so many innocent people,the parent's,grand parent's,sisters, brothers and friends.
I have a 24 yr old son and he is a great honest person but what iif in a moment of weakness got vacuumed into the parasite leach sucking life of these dealers ,drug lords could happen to anybody young ,naïve and desperate
I am not attempting to cause a debate on drugs and death penalties,just a guy sitting at home listening to PJ and trying to comprehend the barbaric act that is about to take place
On our news bulletin tonight they reported how both the prisoners being lead off to the island where they will be shot thanked the guards deporting them for looking after them and pleaded they look after their fellow prisoners totally excepting there fate
Brave and honourable people who had an obvious brain fade in the name of greed nine years ago
We all are master's of our destiny and make decisions right or wrong but to pay with your life in this manner is disturbing it was reported at the last firing where eleven people were shot(murdered) it took six minutes for the first person to die and eleven minutes the longest for the last person,that was told by a guard that was present and is now remorseful
My heart goes out to all ,the ones being shot and all their families,a sad ,sad situation
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    nice post, and in complete agreement.

    death for drugs offences truly is abhorrent. Yes it is their laws, but that doesn't mean to say they make sense.

    Theres a great thread in these parts on the death penalty and being a part of that thread over a long period of time educated me on the various stances people employ, but I dare say there would be little support for this situation amoungst even the staunchest supporters of the DP.

    Very very sad indeed
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    You get the death penalty for drugs in Australia? Yikes. How is there a drug problem at all there?
  • pljampljam Posts: 387
    They are Australians but it is in Indonesia where they were caught and will be executed on a small island an hour or so from Jakata
    As far as a drug problem all the way down here (Australia) yes my friend "MASSIVE"
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    pljam said:

    They are Australians but it is in Indonesia where they were caught and will be executed on a small island an hour or so from Jakata
    As far as a drug problem all the way down here (Australia) yes my friend "MASSIVE"

    I see. It does seem harsh to get executed for smuggling.
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    drugs are a worldwide problem, but killing the runners solves very little
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    pdalowsky said:

    nice post, and in complete agreement.

    death for drugs offences truly is abhorrent. Yes it is their laws, but that doesn't mean to say they make sense.

    Theres a great thread in these parts on the death penalty and being a part of that thread over a long period of time educated me on the various stances people employ, but I dare say there would be little support for this situation amoungst even the staunchest supporters of the DP.

    Very very sad indeed

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Proponent of the DP for extreme murder cases (torture, serial, mass, children). This is awful though. Even 9 years in prison is brutal. For drugs?

    That being said... what a risk these young men took. I know kids are foolish at the best of times, but they had to know what the consequences were. This was tantamount to playing Russian Roulette.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    This sucks.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Horrible! Makes no sense at all. Very brutal.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    pdalowsky said:

    Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

    indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    callen said:

    pdalowsky said:

    nice post, and in complete agreement.

    death for drugs offences truly is abhorrent. Yes it is their laws, but that doesn't mean to say they make sense.

    Theres a great thread in these parts on the death penalty and being a part of that thread over a long period of time educated me on the various stances people employ, but I dare say there would be little support for this situation amoungst even the staunchest supporters of the DP.

    Very very sad indeed

    Death for any offense is wrong.
    agreed.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    pljam said:

    They are Australians but it is in Indonesia where they were caught and will be executed on a small island an hour or so from Jakata
    As far as a drug problem all the way down here (Australia) yes my friend "MASSIVE"

    a few years ago i had a g/f from new south wales. she said the same thing.
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  • redrawredraw Posts: 1,284
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    pdalowsky said:

    Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

    indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...
    I'm pretty sure their sentencing for murder does not include the DP, yet they view drug smuggling as ruining lives & society so are more severe with the punishment handed down.
    Heard on the news y'day that they still plead with other countries to release Indonesians that face the same fate - doesn't seem quite right to me....
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    redraw said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    pdalowsky said:

    Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

    indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...
    I'm pretty sure their sentencing for murder does not include the DP, yet they view drug smuggling as ruining lives & society so are more severe with the punishment handed down.
    Heard on the news y'day that they still plead with other countries to release Indonesians that face the same fate - doesn't seem quite right to me....
    for the same crime that elicits DP in Indonesia? Note that the law is centered on smugglers , who it could be rightly argued that they are profiting off of others misery as well as the wider crime that occurs in feeding a narcotic habit.


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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I remember flying to Singapore (about 15yrs ago) and just prior to landing the customs cards were handed out. On the bottom was a skull and crossbones that said drug smuggling/possession is illegal and punishable by death.

    It was then I realized that laws are laws. (and what that truly means)
    Right or wrong their law clearly stipulated the consequence of bringing drugs to their soil.

    I am not by any means downplaying what is about to happen to the convicted Australians and the mourning that will ensue to their families.

    I am just merely stating that a law is a law and not to be broken unless that law is changed by the very rules by which it was implemented.

    Jaywalking is a punishable offence but not in the jaywalkers opinion.


  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I remember flying to Singapore (about 15yrs ago) and just prior to landing the customs cards were handed out. On the bottom was a skull and crossbones that said drug smuggling/possession is illegal and punishable by death.

    It was then I realized that laws are laws. (and what that truly means)
    Right or wrong their law clearly stipulated the consequence of bringing drugs to their soil.

    I am not by any means downplaying what is about to happen to the convicted Australians and the mourning that will ensue to their families.

    I am just merely stating that a law is a law and not to be broken unless that law is changed by the very rules by which it was implemented.

    Jaywalking is a punishable offence but not in the jaywalkers opinion.


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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I wonder if Indonesia's prisons are similar to that depicted in Midnight Express. That should be mandatory viewing / reading for anyone considering messing with drug laws (fucked or not) while abroad.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    hedonist said:

    I wonder if Indonesia's prisons are similar to that depicted in Midnight Express. That should be mandatory viewing / reading for anyone considering messing with drug laws (fucked or not) while abroad.

    Return to paradise reminds me of this story as well.
  • pljampljam Posts: 387
    pljam said:

    The time has come for two Australian and eight other people to be shot this week or early next for drug smuggling in Indonesia
    The Aussie's have been jailed for nine years now on death row
    It's so sad to think ten people will be tied to a post and shot through the heart from thirty meters away,the Australian men were just young men when caught attempting to smuggle heroin back to Australia 21 and 22 yrs old
    By all reports by other prisoners they have stated how over the duration of the nine years the two have totally reformed and have even helped get other prisoners back on track with total dedication and respect and care
    I get they have broken laws and made a detrimental mistake and it can be argued the amount of lives ruined by drugs is pathetic and it sadly is but I can't see how blowing a person's heart apart is the answer,give them life or what ever
    This execution kills the soul's of so many innocent people,the parent's,grand parent's,sisters, brothers and friends.
    I have a 24 yr old son and he is a great honest person but what iif in a moment of weakness got vacuumed into the parasite leach sucking life of these dealers ,drug lords could happen to anybody young ,naïve and desperate
    I am not attempting to cause a debate on drugs and death penalties,just a guy sitting at home listening to PJ and trying to comprehend the barbaric act that is about to take place
    On our news bulletin tonight they reported how both the prisoners being lead off to the island where they will be shot thanked the guards deporting them for looking after them and pleaded they look after their fellow prisoners totally excepting there fate
    Brave and honourable people who had an obvious brain fade in the name of greed nine years ago
    We all are master's of our destiny and make decisions right or wrong but to pay with your life in this manner is disturbing it was reported at the last firing where eleven people were shot(murdered) it took six minutes for the first person to die and eleven minutes the longest for the last person,that was told by a guard that was present and is now remorseful
    My heart goes out to all ,the ones being shot and all their families,a sad ,sad situation

    It has just made news here today the Indonesion (Friday) the President has delayed the execution of all ten people for up to ten days,figures crossed it is from a humanity point of view opposed to a buerocadic red tape but I think it will be the second as he has vowed all along that this will happen
    On the trip from their prison cell to the island of execution,a short plane trip and then by ship all up about one and a half hours they President deployed 100 military police,two fighter jets and to military helicopters to transfere two men,so I guess it is inevitable to how this ends,all hope of clemency diminished
    The total sickening finally ,is our papers here in Aus are plastered with photo's of some military police taking selfies standing next to the men to be shot
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2015
    pljam said:

    pljam said:

    The time has come for two Australian and eight other people to be shot this week or early next for drug smuggling in Indonesia
    The Aussie's have been jailed for nine years now on death row
    It's so sad to think ten people will be tied to a post and shot through the heart from thirty meters away,the Australian men were just young men when caught attempting to smuggle heroin back to Australia 21 and 22 yrs old
    By all reports by other prisoners they have stated how over the duration of the nine years the two have totally reformed and have even helped get other prisoners back on track with total dedication and respect and care
    I get they have broken laws and made a detrimental mistake and it can be argued the amount of lives ruined by drugs is pathetic and it sadly is but I can't see how blowing a person's heart apart is the answer,give them life or what ever
    This execution kills the soul's of so many innocent people,the parent's,grand parent's,sisters, brothers and friends.
    I have a 24 yr old son and he is a great honest person but what iif in a moment of weakness got vacuumed into the parasite leach sucking life of these dealers ,drug lords could happen to anybody young ,naïve and desperate
    I am not attempting to cause a debate on drugs and death penalties,just a guy sitting at home listening to PJ and trying to comprehend the barbaric act that is about to take place
    On our news bulletin tonight they reported how both the prisoners being lead off to the island where they will be shot thanked the guards deporting them for looking after them and pleaded they look after their fellow prisoners totally excepting there fate
    Brave and honourable people who had an obvious brain fade in the name of greed nine years ago
    We all are master's of our destiny and make decisions right or wrong but to pay with your life in this manner is disturbing it was reported at the last firing where eleven people were shot(murdered) it took six minutes for the first person to die and eleven minutes the longest for the last person,that was told by a guard that was present and is now remorseful
    My heart goes out to all ,the ones being shot and all their families,a sad ,sad situation

    our papers here in Aus are plastered with photo's of some military police taking selfies standing next to the men to be shot
    .
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • redrawredraw Posts: 1,284
    mickeyrat said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

    indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...
    I'm pretty sure their sentencing for murder does not include the DP, yet they view drug smuggling as ruining lives & society so are more severe with the punishment handed down.
    Heard on the news y'day that they still plead with other countries to release Indonesians that face the same fate - doesn't seem quite right to me....

    for the same crime that elicits DP in Indonesia? Note that the law is centered on smugglers , who it could be rightly argued that they are profiting off of others misery as well as the wider crime that occurs in feeding a narcotic habit.


    In my view if you are going to take the risk knowing what the consequences are then fuck ya when ya get caught.

    Not really sure if the crimes are the same, but I find it strange they will try to get other countries to change their laws yet refuse to even consider revoking their own...
    Our government has even offered a trade of 3 Indonesians convicted for the same thing (and a much larger quantity) 15 years ago but their President literally laughed at this deal...
    I would prefer my tax dollars go towards paying for 2 Aussies in jail rather than 3 Indonesians!!!

    But I do agree - the big signs & the guys with machine guns at the airport make it pretty clear what the law is over there....
    Everyone knows the risks when they go there - personally I don't think that makes the death penalty a good thing
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  • redrawredraw Posts: 1,284
    Sorry - my mobile keeps screwing with the quotes...
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    hedonist said:

    I wonder if Indonesia's prisons are similar to that depicted in Midnight Express. That should be mandatory viewing / reading for anyone considering messing with drug laws (fucked or not) while abroad.

    As a side note... one of my all time favourite movies .
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  • heidihiheidihi Posts: 114
    As an Australian myself, I have to say I cannot turn the television on at the moment without shedding a tear. It is just so sad and the media is saturating news broadcasts- my heart breaks for these young men.... they were 20 odd when they committed the crime.... I am also shocked by people's reactions - some people actually support this... it breaks my heart!
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    we can only hope for some common sense to suddenly leak through to those about to terminate these men.

    They are going to seriously damage their diplomatic ties even further, and for what gain? sending out a message to the world that is already well known and has zero effect?

    I cannot start to comprehend what will go through the minds of those guys as they are led out to their post for that final moment.

    I read the Brazilian guy who was executed by them last month, had to be hosed down before they shot him as his bowels lost complete control. unimaginable.

    Yes I get the laws are laws, but its not always quite as black and white as that, we never know the full story, the circumstances that led to the crime, external factors that could apply pressure, controls over the people etc......
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    badbrains said:

    As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

    preferably yes
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    pdalowsky said:

    badbrains said:

    As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

    preferably yes
    Why? Who are you to say their laws are wrong? It amazes me at what some of you get riled up on and stay silent on.
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    badbrains said:

    pdalowsky said:

    badbrains said:

    As much as this sucks, the law of the land is the law. You guys want to change their laws on this as well.

    preferably yes
    Why? Who are you to say their laws are wrong? It amazes me at what some of you get riled up on and stay silent on.
    to me they are wrong, and that means yes I would like them to change their laws.

    perfectly simple to understand really. I recognise I have no voice in asking them to change their laws, and my position is one that isn't of any consequence to them, but it doesn't change the fact that my answer to your question was, yes.
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