Two Aussie's to be executed within days by firing squad

pljam

The time has come for two Australian and eight other people to be shot this week or early next for drug smuggling in Indonesia
The Aussie's have been jailed for nine years now on death row
It's so sad to think ten people will be tied to a post and shot through the heart from thirty meters away,the Australian men were just young men when caught attempting to smuggle heroin back to Australia 21 and 22 yrs old
By all reports by other prisoners they have stated how over the duration of the nine years the two have totally reformed and have even helped get other prisoners back on track with total dedication and respect and care
I get they have broken laws and made a detrimental mistake and it can be argued the amount of lives ruined by drugs is pathetic and it sadly is but I can't see how blowing a person's heart apart is the answer,give them life or what ever
This execution kills the soul's of so many innocent people,the parent's,grand parent's,sisters, brothers and friends.
I have a 24 yr old son and he is a great honest person but what iif in a moment of weakness got vacuumed into the parasite leach sucking life of these dealers ,drug lords could happen to anybody young ,naïve and desperate
I am not attempting to cause a debate on drugs and death penalties,just a guy sitting at home listening to PJ and trying to comprehend the barbaric act that is about to take place
On our news bulletin tonight they reported how both the prisoners being lead off to the island where they will be shot thanked the guards deporting them for looking after them and pleaded they look after their fellow prisoners totally excepting there fate
Brave and honourable people who had an obvious brain fade in the name of greed nine years ago
We all are master's of our destiny and make decisions right or wrong but to pay with your life in this manner is disturbing it was reported at the last firing where eleven people were shot(murdered) it took six minutes for the first person to die and eleven minutes the longest for the last person,that was told by a guard that was present and is now remorseful
My heart goes out to all ,the ones being shot and all their families,a sad ,sad situation

pdalowsky

nice post, and in complete agreement.

death for drugs offences truly is abhorrent. Yes it is their laws, but that doesn't mean to say they make sense.

Theres a great thread in these parts on the death penalty and being a part of that thread over a long period of time educated me on the various stances people employ, but I dare say there would be little support for this situation amoungst even the staunchest supporters of the DP.

Very very sad indeed

Last-12-Exit

You get the death penalty for drugs in Australia? Yikes. How is there a drug problem at all there?

pljam

They are Australians but it is in Indonesia where they were caught and will be executed on a small island an hour or so from Jakata
As far as a drug problem all the way down here (Australia) yes my friend "MASSIVE"

Last-12-Exit

pljam said:

They are Australians but it is in Indonesia where they were caught and will be executed on a small island an hour or so from Jakata
As far as a drug problem all the way down here (Australia) yes my friend "MASSIVE"

I see. It does seem harsh to get executed for smuggling.

pdalowsky

drugs are a worldwide problem, but killing the runners solves very little

pdalowsky

Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

callen

pdalowsky said:

nice post, and in complete agreement.

death for drugs offences truly is abhorrent. Yes it is their laws, but that doesn't mean to say they make sense.

Theres a great thread in these parts on the death penalty and being a part of that thread over a long period of time educated me on the various stances people employ, but I dare say there would be little support for this situation amoungst even the staunchest supporters of the DP.

Very very sad indeed

Death for any offense is wrong.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Proponent of the DP for extreme murder cases (torture, serial, mass, children). This is awful though. Even 9 years in prison is brutal. For drugs?

That being said... what a risk these young men took. I know kids are foolish at the best of times, but they had to know what the consequences were. This was tantamount to playing Russian Roulette.

badbrains

This sucks.

brianlux

Horrible! Makes no sense at all. Very brutal.

gimmesometruth27

pdalowsky said:

Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...

gimmesometruth27

callen said:

pdalowsky said:

nice post, and in complete agreement.

death for drugs offences truly is abhorrent. Yes it is their laws, but that doesn't mean to say they make sense.

Theres a great thread in these parts on the death penalty and being a part of that thread over a long period of time educated me on the various stances people employ, but I dare say there would be little support for this situation amoungst even the staunchest supporters of the DP.

Very very sad indeed

Death for any offense is wrong.

agreed.

gimmesometruth27

pljam said:

They are Australians but it is in Indonesia where they were caught and will be executed on a small island an hour or so from Jakata
As far as a drug problem all the way down here (Australia) yes my friend "MASSIVE"

a few years ago i had a g/f from new south wales. she said the same thing.

redraw

gimmesometruth27 said:

pdalowsky said:

Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...

I'm pretty sure their sentencing for murder does not include the DP, yet they view drug smuggling as ruining lives & society so are more severe with the punishment handed down.
Heard on the news y'day that they still plead with other countries to release Indonesians that face the same fate - doesn't seem quite right to me....

mickeyrat

redraw said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pdalowsky said:

Its fairly well known that Indonesia are hardline on drugs ....yet there is a massive problem with them in their society. Something tells me their draconian stance doesn't work particularly well in solving what it sets out to do.

indonesia is actually pretty hardcore on all crimes...

I'm pretty sure their sentencing for murder does not include the DP, yet they view drug smuggling as ruining lives & society so are more severe with the punishment handed down.
Heard on the news y'day that they still plead with other countries to release Indonesians that face the same fate - doesn't seem quite right to me....

for the same crime that elicits DP in Indonesia? Note that the law is centered on smugglers , who it could be rightly argued that they are profiting off of others misery as well as the wider crime that occurs in feeding a narcotic habit.


In my view if you are going to take the risk knowing what the consequences are then fuck ya when ya get caught.

PJfanwillneverleave1

I remember flying to Singapore (about 15yrs ago) and just prior to landing the customs cards were handed out. On the bottom was a skull and crossbones that said drug smuggling/possession is illegal and punishable by death.

It was then I realized that laws are laws. (and what that truly means)
Right or wrong their law clearly stipulated the consequence of bringing drugs to their soil.

I am not by any means downplaying what is about to happen to the convicted Australians and the mourning that will ensue to their families.

I am just merely stating that a law is a law and not to be broken unless that law is changed by the very rules by which it was implemented.

Jaywalking is a punishable offence but not in the jaywalkers opinion.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I remember flying to Singapore (about 15yrs ago) and just prior to landing the customs cards were handed out. On the bottom was a skull and crossbones that said drug smuggling/possession is illegal and punishable by death.

It was then I realized that laws are laws. (and what that truly means)
Right or wrong their law clearly stipulated the consequence of bringing drugs to their soil.

I am not by any means downplaying what is about to happen to the convicted Australians and the mourning that will ensue to their families.

I am just merely stating that a law is a law and not to be broken unless that law is changed by the very rules by which it was implemented.

Jaywalking is a punishable offence but not in the jaywalkers opinion.

Law is a law is law.... Some laws are unjust, barbaric even.

hedonist

I wonder if Indonesia's prisons are similar to that depicted in Midnight Express. That should be mandatory viewing / reading for anyone considering messing with drug laws (fucked or not) while abroad.

badbrains

hedonist said:

I wonder if Indonesia's prisons are similar to that depicted in Midnight Express. That should be mandatory viewing / reading for anyone considering messing with drug laws (fucked or not) while abroad.

Return to paradise reminds me of this story as well.

pljam

pljam said:

The time has come for two Australian and eight other people to be shot this week or early next for drug smuggling in Indonesia
The Aussie's have been jailed for nine years now on death row
It's so sad to think ten people will be tied to a post and shot through the heart from thirty meters away,the Australian men were just young men when caught attempting to smuggle heroin back to Australia 21 and 22 yrs old
By all reports by other prisoners they have stated how over the duration of the nine years the two have totally reformed and have even helped get other prisoners back on track with total dedication and respect and care
I get they have broken laws and made a detrimental mistake and it can be argued the amount of lives ruined by drugs is pathetic and it sadly is but I can't see how blowing a person's heart apart is the answer,give them life or what ever
This execution kills the soul's of so many innocent people,the parent's,grand parent's,sisters, brothers and friends.
I have a 24 yr old son and he is a great honest person but what iif in a moment of weakness got vacuumed into the parasite leach sucking life of these dealers ,drug lords could happen to anybody young ,naïve and desperate
I am not attempting to cause a debate on drugs and death penalties,just a guy sitting at home listening to PJ and trying to comprehend the barbaric act that is about to take place
On our news bulletin tonight they reported how both the prisoners being lead off to the island where they will be shot thanked the guards deporting them for looking after them and pleaded they look after their fellow prisoners totally excepting there fate
Brave and honourable people who had an obvious brain fade in the name of greed nine years ago
We all are master's of our destiny and make decisions right or wrong but to pay with your life in this manner is disturbing it was reported at the last firing where eleven people were shot(murdered) it took six minutes for the first person to die and eleven minutes the longest for the last person,that was told by a guard that was present and is now remorseful
My heart goes out to all ,the ones being shot and all their families,a sad ,sad situation

It has just made news here today the Indonesion (Friday) the President has delayed the execution of all ten people for up to ten days,figures crossed it is from a humanity point of view opposed to a buerocadic red tape but I think it will be the second as he has vowed all along that this will happen
On the trip from their prison cell to the island of execution,a short plane trip and then by ship all up about one and a half hours they President deployed 100 military police,two fighter jets and to military helicopters to transfere two men,so I guess it is inevitable to how this ends,all hope of clemency diminished
The total sickening finally ,is our papers here in Aus are plastered with photo's of some military police taking selfies standing next to the men to be shot
THE MORE I TRY TO WORK THIS WORLD OUT,THE MORE WORK IT TAKES !!