The Russians had no such missiles in the region, nor did the rebels. They also had no training in these weapons systems. The Ukrainian government had the missiles and the training. Russia released satellite imagery showing Ukrainian fighters trailing the plane. Bullet holes were found in the fuselage near the cockpit. The U.S. refused to release any satellite imagery. There's more... It is not a cut and dry case. The evidence does not implicate Putin, and the fact that the story (like the nemtsov assassination), can be used to condemn Putin in the court of public opinion, makes the likelihood of Putin sponsorship minute. AND...you changed your tune when challenged. You originally said "Putin is currently murdering domestic opposition, shooting down passenger jets...'. Now it was the rebels, and it was an accident. But why bother stating your actual opinion when you can blow hot air and tell us to prepare for a new Cold War? Typical Fear monngering BS....
He does that a lot. Back when gaza was being destroyed he defended the Israeli governments actions (which started this riff between us) then said he did no such thing and that he somehow called me out on some shit about Hamas killing their own people for, get this, TREASON. Something that EVERY fucken country does. And that I couldn't handle that.
Talk about crazy pills....
Best part, he lives in canada and has no prob with the us sending "our" own soldiers to fight. Asked him if he volunteered his services or the services of his children, crickets....Chalkenge him on something and he'll label u an anti-Semite or some other shit.
Putin lives in Canada? How did I miss that?
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
The Russians had no such missiles in the region, nor did the rebels. They also had no training in these weapons systems. The Ukrainian government had the missiles and the training. Russia released satellite imagery showing Ukrainian fighters trailing the plane. Bullet holes were found in the fuselage near the cockpit. The U.S. refused to release any satellite imagery. There's more... It is not a cut and dry case. The evidence does not implicate Putin, and the fact that the story (like the nemtsov assassination), can be used to condemn Putin in the court of public opinion, makes the likelihood of Putin sponsorship minute. AND...you changed your tune when challenged. You originally said "Putin is currently murdering domestic opposition, shooting down passenger jets...'. Now it was the rebels, and it was an accident. But why bother stating your actual opinion when you can blow hot air and tell us to prepare for a new Cold War? Typical Fear monngering BS....
He does that a lot. Back when gaza was being destroyed he defended the Israeli governments actions (which started this riff between us) then said he did no such thing and that he somehow called me out on some shit about Hamas killing their own people for, get this, TREASON. Something that EVERY fucken country does. And that I couldn't handle that.
Talk about crazy pills....
Best part, he lives in canada and has no prob with the us sending "our" own soldiers to fight. Asked him if he volunteered his services or the services of his children, crickets....Chalkenge him on something and he'll label u an anti-Semite or some other shit.
The Russians had no such missiles in the region, nor did the rebels. They also had no training in these weapons systems. The Ukrainian government had the missiles and the training. Russia released satellite imagery showing Ukrainian fighters trailing the plane. Bullet holes were found in the fuselage near the cockpit. The U.S. refused to release any satellite imagery. There's more... It is not a cut and dry case. The evidence does not implicate Putin, and the fact that the story (like the nemtsov assassination), can be used to condemn Putin in the court of public opinion, makes the likelihood of Putin sponsorship minute. AND...you changed your tune when challenged. You originally said "Putin is currently murdering domestic opposition, shooting down passenger jets...'. Now it was the rebels, and it was an accident. But why bother stating your actual opinion when you can blow hot air and tell us to prepare for a new Cold War? Typical Fear monngering BS....
He does that a lot. Back when gaza was being destroyed he defended the Israeli governments actions (which started this riff between us) then said he did no such thing and that he somehow called me out on some shit about Hamas killing their own people for, get this, TREASON. Something that EVERY fucken country does. And that I couldn't handle that.
Talk about crazy pills....
Best part, he lives in canada and has no prob with the us sending "our" own soldiers to fight. Asked him if he volunteered his services or the services of his children, crickets....Chalkenge him on something and he'll label u an anti-Semite or some other shit.
Putin lives in Canada? How did I miss that?
Apparently it's dark in canada too.
Nah, bright and sunny where I am.
(PS: was referring to your avatar - not sure if that came through)
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Assassinating Nemtsov would be considered to make no sense for Putin, but I consider Putin to have gone into full megalomaniac mode. This appears to be a well coordinated hit carried out in the most public areas of Russia that should have multiple camera evidence . With what appears to have involved multiple teams of skilled operators.
If Ukraine operators were behind this, it should be pretty simple for Russian authorities to provide conclusive evidence. Yet early statements suggest cameras were not working. In the world leader of dash cams. Go figure.
Sorry for the late reply to your comments. You know, the Girkin social media post you mentioned earlier is pretty damning. I don't think there is much wiggle room in that statement. I don't discount the suggestion that these idiots accidentally shot down a passenger plane (or accidentally on-purpose due to bad information....from who?), even tho it would imply that the rebels did have a BUK system....which I can't find any conclusive evidence to support. The video of the BUK missiles being transported was pretty cleanly debunked. And I don't entirely discount the evidence coming from the Russian side. The same thing you said about Russia providing conclusive evidence in the Nemtsov killing could apply to the MH-17 tragedy....why won't the US release their satellite footage? If they have conclusive evidence that it was the rebels who fired missiles and took down the plane, why not release it? Russia provided their satellite footage to prove the presence of the Ukranian jets. The problem here is that neither side has provided anything conclusive. The post to social media is the most damning evidence of all, though it doesn't exactly provide information on why the event happened. Which is important. The sources I use to get the 'other side' of these stories (unsurprisingly) gloss over the post as insignificant, or a mistake, or a forgery....which def calls their validity as a legit source into question. It is pretty damn close to a smoking gun and I can't find any info to discredit the post in any meaningful way. And to be honest, I didn't even know about it until you brought it up. Still, in the end....there is an even more damning smoking gun proving US involvement in the overthrow of Ukraine, and their hand-picking of government officials - which is the root cause of ALL of these events, from Crimea, to the Odessa fire, to MH17. The US was caught red-handed stirring unrest in the backyard of one of the most powerful nations on earth. I don't see any of you guys addressing that fact.
Assassinating Nemtsov would be considered to make no sense for Putin, but I consider Putin to have gone into full megalomaniac mode. This appears to be a well coordinated hit carried out in the most public areas of Russia that should have multiple camera evidence . With what appears to have involved multiple teams of skilled operators.
If Ukraine operators were behind this, it should be pretty simple for Russian authorities to provide conclusive evidence. Yet early statements suggest cameras were not working. In the world leader of dash cams. Go figure.
Sorry for the late reply to your comments. You know, the Girkin social media post you mentioned earlier is pretty damning. I don't think there is much wiggle room in that statement. I don't discount the suggestion that these idiots accidentally shot down a passenger plane (or accidentally on-purpose due to bad information....from who?), even tho it would imply that the rebels did have a BUK system....which I can't find any conclusive evidence to support. The video of the BUK missiles being transported was pretty cleanly debunked. And I don't entirely discount the evidence coming from the Russian side. The same thing you said about Russia providing conclusive evidence in the Nemtsov killing could apply to the MH-17 tragedy....why won't the US release their satellite footage? If they have conclusive evidence that it was the rebels who fired missiles and took down the plane, why not release it? Russia provided their satellite footage to prove the presence of the Ukranian jets. The problem here is that neither side has provided anything conclusive. The post to social media is the most damning evidence of all, though it doesn't exactly provide information on why the event happened. Which is important. The sources I use to get the 'other side' of these stories (unsurprisingly) gloss over the post as insignificant, or a mistake, or a forgery....which def calls their validity as a legit source into question. It is pretty damn close to a smoking gun and I can't find any info to discredit the post in any meaningful way. And to be honest, I didn't even know about it until you brought it up. Still, in the end....there is an even more damning smoking gun proving US involvement in the overthrow of Ukraine, and their hand-picking of government officials - which is the root cause of ALL of these events, from Crimea, to the Odessa fire, to MH17. The US was caught red-handed stirring unrest in the backyard of one of the most powerful nations on earth. I don't see any of you guys addressing that fact.
I've had some time to consider the "who has what to gain" from this hit. It doesn't factor to be Putin unless he really has gone full scale megalomaniac ... I don't think he has reached that point quite yet.
Could it be a message from a Russian oligarch or an internal power faction to let Putin know they can pull this off on the doorstep of his house? Crashing energy markets and loss of money are a probable cause. It's possible a Ukraine team could have done it, but I doubt they are that capable to do that right in front of the Kremlin. And if they were caught, they would risk the possibility of full scale invasion with cause.
Whoever was behind this was sending a message. But from who and to whom?
The current arrest of an Islamic hit commando group stinks to high heavens. A relatively small comment from a man condemning the attacks, with little political standings in regards to the France attack, and a group of commandos decide to forfeit their lives for Allah? Putin was one of the the first world leader to condemn the attacks.
The main suspect is a hero of Russia for his heroics in Chechnya for a Putin lead offense. Now Putin has been unseen in public for a week. I think he is trying to flush out a rat from within.
This doesn't seem like some pretty far-fetched speculation to you? Russia invading Sweden? Can you think of a precedent for something like this? Not going to happen.
This doesn't seem like some pretty far-fetched speculation to you? Russia invading Sweden? Can you think of a precedent for something like this? Not going to happen.
I'm sure that Sweden's bordering neighbor, Finland, could never imagine such an outlandish scenario.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/03/commercial-planes-forced-to-dodge-cloaked-russian-bombers-flying-in-irish-airspace-report/
(PS: was referring to your avatar - not sure if that came through)
You know, the Girkin social media post you mentioned earlier is pretty damning. I don't think there is much wiggle room in that statement. I don't discount the suggestion that these idiots accidentally shot down a passenger plane (or accidentally on-purpose due to bad information....from who?), even tho it would imply that the rebels did have a BUK system....which I can't find any conclusive evidence to support. The video of the BUK missiles being transported was pretty cleanly debunked. And I don't entirely discount the evidence coming from the Russian side. The same thing you said about Russia providing conclusive evidence in the Nemtsov killing could apply to the MH-17 tragedy....why won't the US release their satellite footage? If they have conclusive evidence that it was the rebels who fired missiles and took down the plane, why not release it? Russia provided their satellite footage to prove the presence of the Ukranian jets. The problem here is that neither side has provided anything conclusive. The post to social media is the most damning evidence of all, though it doesn't exactly provide information on why the event happened. Which is important. The sources I use to get the 'other side' of these stories (unsurprisingly) gloss over the post as insignificant, or a mistake, or a forgery....which def calls their validity as a legit source into question. It is pretty damn close to a smoking gun and I can't find any info to discredit the post in any meaningful way. And to be honest, I didn't even know about it until you brought it up.
Still, in the end....there is an even more damning smoking gun proving US involvement in the overthrow of Ukraine, and their hand-picking of government officials - which is the root cause of ALL of these events, from Crimea, to the Odessa fire, to MH17. The US was caught red-handed stirring unrest in the backyard of one of the most powerful nations on earth. I don't see any of you guys addressing that fact.
Could it be a message from a Russian oligarch or an internal power faction to let Putin know they can pull this off on the doorstep of his house? Crashing energy markets and loss of money are a probable cause. It's possible a Ukraine team could have done it, but I doubt they are that capable to do that right in front of the Kremlin. And if they were caught, they would risk the possibility of full scale invasion with cause.
Whoever was behind this was sending a message. But from who and to whom?
The current arrest of an Islamic hit commando group stinks to high heavens. A relatively small comment from a man condemning the attacks, with little political standings in regards to the France attack, and a group of commandos decide to forfeit their lives for Allah? Putin was one of the the first world leader to condemn the attacks.
The main suspect is a hero of Russia for his heroics in Chechnya for a Putin lead offense. Now Putin has been unseen in public for a week. I think he is trying to flush out a rat from within.
So what was Putin up to?
Watching rival factions react to his absence?
Attending the birth of his love child via his gymnast girlfriend?
Surgery?
Taking Craster's sons and turning them into White Walkers in The Haunted Forest?
The world may never know.
https://pubsecrets.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/how-putin-could-break-nato-or-ready-for-great-northern-war-ii/