Pearl Jam 2016 Rock Hall Of Fame

HughFreakingDillon

HesCalledDyer said:

Pearl Jam will be in the HOF for different reasons than Nirvana. There's not much sense in arguing about which band deserves it more, who was on a higher level, who said what about whom, etc. Their careers and places in music history are on completely different levels and both bands deserve to be in the Hall for the impact they have in music history. Nirvana may have built the house, but Pearl Jam are the ones that moved in and maintained it.

it just came up because I disagreed with people saying pj is a first year lock, and I used nirvana as an example of a band that was a first year lock without a doubt in my eyes. that was all. it kind of took on a life of its own after that!

igotid88

If it was about impact then Kiss would have been in their first year

Last-12-Exit

I just don't see how anyone would think PJ wouldn't be a first year lock.

I know you said why Hugh, I disagree with your assessment of the bands influence.

HughFreakingDillon

igotid88 said:

If it was about impact then Kiss would have been in their first year

kiss is a circuis act. and honestly, the reasoning behind who they induct and who they don't is really beyond me. I don't think anyone really knows what they are thinking.

HughFreakingDillon

Last-12-Exit said:

I just don't see how anyone would think PJ wouldn't be a first year lock.

I know you said why Hugh, I disagree with your assessment of the bands influence.

fair enough.

rummy

I posted this link:
http://grantland.com/features/projecting-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-coldplay-adele-radiohead-pearl-jam/
in an earlier thread. (No, I'm not trying to get anyone "excited" about Taylor Swift)

And then there's this:
http://www.futurerocklegends.com/year.php?eligible_year=2016
Although I'm not too sure where they get their data from.

HughFreakingDillon

if the RRHOF history of inducting bands that don't necessarily deserve it over those that do, Dave "Yawn" Matthews will probably get in before NIN.

will all of Beyonce's 16 songwriters get in with her? what a joke. it should be about artists, not performers. then again, I guess that would mean Elvis shouldn't be in there either.

Last-12-Exit

paulonious said:

if the RRHOF history of inducting bands that don't necessarily deserve it over those that do, Dave "Yawn" Matthews will probably get in before NIN.

will all of Beyonce's 16 songwriters get in with her? what a joke. it should be about artists, not performers. then again, I guess that would mean Elvis shouldn't be in there either.

That I can agree with.

PJ_Soul

rummy said:

paulonious said:

joseph33 said:

There was an interview of Kurt a ways back where he stated Ed was a nice guy,he just didnt like their music. He also,thought they jumped the grunge band wagon. Look at his face and body language when he is speaking. He was threatened by a band he was afraid would be bigger than Nirvana,and he was right. Ed's vocal range blows away anything Kurt could ever dream of. I will credit him for being a genius at song writing. Everybody knows the seeds of grunge began with Green River. Two members of that band were not in Nirvana. Could you guess who they might be? Does Nirvana belong to the HOF,absolutely! But make no mistake,Pearl Jam will be in Los Angeles in 2016 to take their rightful place. I will retire this argument with agree to disagree.

Now we are experts on what kurt actually thought when he stated something to the contrary in an interview on tv? A pretty big stretch, i must say.

PJ never eclipsed nirvana. And never will.

I don't agree...PJ was bigger than Nirvana in 1993... They did indeed surpass them - at least in terms over mass popularity. Don't get me wrong, Nirvana is awesome (I even preferred them back then) but Pj was still ascending during the period of Kurt's ultimate demise.

...I appreciate your statement of "that's just my take on it" as I suppose the above comments are simply my own (fading) memory of how it was over two decades ago.

That are actually stats you could refer to in order to see who was bigger in 1993. Looking at the chart rankings from that year, it goes Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, U2, Nirvana, Pearl Jam... and Meatloaf.
So no, Nirvana did not eclipse PJ. It was neck and neck. And a few months later Kurt was dead and Nirvana ceased to exist.
And i guess it's clear that Nirvana and Pearl Jam weren't THAT huge. They didn't even really get close to beating the soundtrack to a Kevin Costner movie, lol.

broloco

paulonious said:

igotid88 said:

If it was about impact then Kiss would have been in their first year

kiss is a circuis act. and honestly, the reasoning behind who they induct and who they don't is really beyond me. I don't think anyone really knows what they are thinking.

Yeah Kiss is clown-like but both Nirvana and Pearl Jam members at one point started to love rock n' roll because of Kiss

HughFreakingDillon

broloco said:

paulonious said:

igotid88 said:

If it was about impact then Kiss would have been in their first year

kiss is a circuis act. and honestly, the reasoning behind who they induct and who they don't is really beyond me. I don't think anyone really knows what they are thinking.

Yeah Kiss is clown-like but both Nirvana and Pearl Jam members at one point started to love rock n' roll because of Kiss

they were a good party band back in the day. but hindsight being 20/20.....they are laughable. Hey, I saw them in concert! I liked them as a kid. AS A KID. I'd like to know how many people started liking them as an adult.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

rummy said:

paulonious said:

joseph33 said:

There was an interview of Kurt a ways back where he stated Ed was a nice guy,he just didnt like their music. He also,thought they jumped the grunge band wagon. Look at his face and body language when he is speaking. He was threatened by a band he was afraid would be bigger than Nirvana,and he was right. Ed's vocal range blows away anything Kurt could ever dream of. I will credit him for being a genius at song writing. Everybody knows the seeds of grunge began with Green River. Two members of that band were not in Nirvana. Could you guess who they might be? Does Nirvana belong to the HOF,absolutely! But make no mistake,Pearl Jam will be in Los Angeles in 2016 to take their rightful place. I will retire this argument with agree to disagree.

Now we are experts on what kurt actually thought when he stated something to the contrary in an interview on tv? A pretty big stretch, i must say.

PJ never eclipsed nirvana. And never will.

I don't agree...PJ was bigger than Nirvana in 1993... They did indeed surpass them - at least in terms over mass popularity. Don't get me wrong, Nirvana is awesome (I even preferred them back then) but Pj was still ascending during the period of Kurt's ultimate demise.

...I appreciate your statement of "that's just my take on it" as I suppose the above comments are simply my own (fading) memory of how it was over two decades ago.

That are actually stats you could refer to in order to see who was bigger in 1993. Looking at the chart rankings from that year, it goes Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, U2, Nirvana, Pearl Jam... and Meatloaf.
So no, Nirvana did not eclipse PJ. It was neck and neck. And a few months later Kurt was dead and Nirvana ceased to exist.
And i guess it's clear that Nirvana and Pearl Jam weren't THAT huge. They didn't even really get close to beating the soundtrack to a Kevin Costner movie, lol.

but that actually WAS a big deal back then. back then, pop music was king. for nirvana and pearl jam to be in the same company as those in terms of mass popularity was a massive achievement for music.

Meatloaf. ugh. there's a guy at work who is his biggest fan. travels to see him like we travel to see pj. I. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT.

F Me In The Brain

paulonious said:

PJ_Soul said:

rummy said:

paulonious said:

joseph33 said:

There was an interview of Kurt a ways back where he stated Ed was a nice guy,he just didnt like their music. He also,thought they jumped the grunge band wagon. Look at his face and body language when he is speaking. He was threatened by a band he was afraid would be bigger than Nirvana,and he was right. Ed's vocal range blows away anything Kurt could ever dream of. I will credit him for being a genius at song writing. Everybody knows the seeds of grunge began with Green River. Two members of that band were not in Nirvana. Could you guess who they might be? Does Nirvana belong to the HOF,absolutely! But make no mistake,Pearl Jam will be in Los Angeles in 2016 to take their rightful place. I will retire this argument with agree to disagree.

Now we are experts on what kurt actually thought when he stated something to the contrary in an interview on tv? A pretty big stretch, i must say.

PJ never eclipsed nirvana. And never will.

I don't agree...PJ was bigger than Nirvana in 1993... They did indeed surpass them - at least in terms over mass popularity. Don't get me wrong, Nirvana is awesome (I even preferred them back then) but Pj was still ascending during the period of Kurt's ultimate demise.

...I appreciate your statement of "that's just my take on it" as I suppose the above comments are simply my own (fading) memory of how it was over two decades ago.

That are actually stats you could refer to in order to see who was bigger in 1993. Looking at the chart rankings from that year, it goes Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, U2, Nirvana, Pearl Jam... and Meatloaf.
So no, Nirvana did not eclipse PJ. It was neck and neck. And a few months later Kurt was dead and Nirvana ceased to exist.
And i guess it's clear that Nirvana and Pearl Jam weren't THAT huge. They didn't even really get close to beating the soundtrack to a Kevin Costner movie, lol.

but that actually WAS a big deal back then. back then, pop music was king. for nirvana and pearl jam to be in the same company as those in terms of mass popularity was a massive achievement for music.

Meatloaf. ugh. there's a guy at work who is his biggest fan. travels to see him like we travel to see pj. I. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT.

rummy

For better or worse, we could start talking about that Time magazine cover from 1993...

HughFreakingDillon

rummy said:

For better or worse, we could start talking about that Time magazine cover from 1993...

time wanted both of them, did they not? my memory may be foggy on that story.

Last-12-Exit

I have never been a kiss fan. I would say that the makeup and gene Simmons constant self promotion is a good reason why they aren't in the Hof. (At least I think they're not in the hall. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong).

They have one song that has stood the test of time. The rest of their music is very dated and quite simply not that good. I know Mike is a huge kiss fan, and he was supposedly influenced by them. I don't hear it in his guitar play. Can anyone think of an example of a shred by Mike that can said to be a kiss influenced lick?

igotid88

Last-12-Exit said:

I have never been a kiss fan. I would say that the makeup and gene Simmons constant self promotion is a good reason why they aren't in the Hof. (At least I think they're not in the hall. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong).

They have one song that has stood the test of time. The rest of their music is very dated and quite simply not that good. I know Mike is a huge kiss fan, and he was supposedly influenced by them. I don't hear it in his guitar play. Can anyone think of an example of a shred by Mike that can said to be a kiss influenced lick?

They were inducted last year. And the Alive riff was inspired by the song "She" I believe.

DewieCox

I think a lot of the Alive solo was lifted from She, which was lifted from The Doors' Five to One.

About any of McCready's lead playing on mid tempo rockers can be traced pretty easily to Kiss. Not to say those licks originated with Kiss, but with McCready's constant profession of his fandom, it's likely where he picked them up.

Kiss has become a joke, but they really have a lot of classic tunes and helped set the standard for big rock shows. Not really musically original in the slightest, but responsible for more people pickng up guitars that any other band.

Last-12-Exit

I guess I'll have to listen to she. I'm not sure I've ever heard it. Rock n roll all night is the only kiss song that I can listen to the entire way through. I used to like the song beth, but really I just cringe when I hear it today. I just don't like them.

Could you imagine the smile on Mike's face if kiss inducted them?

joseph33

DewieCox said:

I think a lot of the Alive solo was lifted from She, which was lifted from The Doors' Five to One.

About any of McCready's lead playing on mid tempo rockers can be traced pretty easily to Kiss. Not to say those licks originated with Kiss, but with McCready's constant profession of his fandom, it's likely where he picked them up.

Kiss has become a joke, but they really have a lot of classic tunes and helped set the standard for big rock shows. Not really musically original in the slightest, but responsible for more people pickng up guitars that any other band.

I saw an interview awhile back where Mike said the solo in Alive was his imitation of a Stevie Ray Vaughn solo.