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How do you expect Jordan's neighbors to rally around them when they can't fart without the permission of the US? Assad has told the UN over and over, close the fucken border with turkey and he'll END Isis. And yet, still no.
Assad lost credibility long ago. He'll end ISIS? hes not done a great job of sorting out the civil war within his country......In fact didn't ISIS grow from the shit storm within Syria?
Turkey have other interests to consider and they will only act in a manner which is beneficial to them considering the risk that the Kurds apparently pose them within Turkey and the risk to their stability. Given that they consider the Kurdish groups there terrorists it does leave them 'between a rock and a hard place'.....
I don't buy into the suggestion either that Jordans allies all dance to the americans tune......I think we are certainly seeing otherwise on varying matters0 -
paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »oki-doki fellas I get it....I would want to offend anyone.
Godfather.
No dude. It was right to be posted here. Since I now have come to see it as free speech as is the thread subtopic I believe.
So are you now saying you wont stand for free speech?
I believe in free speach for everyone in fact it's one of the great things I love about America...well free speach as much we have anyway some places in the world are very restricted in that area but I just didn't want to keep rocking the boat or train as it were, free speach is limited on the train as well with the MODS rules of engaugement and the sencetivity of some members on different topics I feel that in some cases we are bound to censorship under the disguise of politeness, we all enjoy the opertunity to share our opinions here on the train and get feed back from one another but posting our real deep down feelings on different topics is a no no if they offend others, there are some topics that offend me but the right of free speach and the right to believe as one will is also important to me.
and by the way thank you for your post.
Godfather.
free speech is not limited on the train. disrespectful speech is.
you can state your opinion on any matter as long as it is done in a respectful way. you don't always do that, with your "let's wipe them all out" comments regarding Muslims. being offended by stuff like that is not being defensive. saying stuff like that is being outright bigoted.
another example: there is no issue with saying homosexuality is against your personal beliefs. saying "what they do makes me want to vomit", as you have also done, is not in keeping with respectful debate.
and on the flip side, someone saying "I don't believe in god" is respectful. saying "anyone who believes in god is a fucktard" is not.
so FREE speach is limited then.....and what a memory you have ! you must remember other posts by members of the train that included members of my family then....right ? that must fall under the "is not" catigory of your post.
Godfather.
I remember incredibly racist and bigoted and Hitler-like posts, yes. I have zero idea what you are talking about with your family comment.
it wassn't you, I just asked if you remember it since you remember so much of what I post but I think you pick and choose what you remember about my posts but that's o.k. ..if I said it I own it no problem .
Godfather.
I remember posts by ANYONE, not just you, when they are that extreme. and I call out EVERYONE who makes such statements, not just you.
I didn't call you a nazi. I said posts of eradicating an entire race/culture is reminiscent of Hitler.
hahhahhah don't ya just hate when someone adds words to a statement you may have made.
Godfather.
the difference is, GF, you actually did say "wipe them all out" on more than one occasion.
I get your point completely, but there are massive problems in these religious books, and medieval notions in that they are so out of touch with the modern day. Folk can argue all day on the subject but there is no denying that the Muslim faith is a peaceful one largely speaking but there are extracts from the book that are always going to cause these problems, and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.
We've seen the same with the other faiths too.
If atheism was all there was, where would we be?
you know, that's a good question. I used to be of the thinking that religion causes all wars and conflicts in the world. I now realize that is a very simplistic take on a more complex issue: it isn't religion that causes the issue, it's man's interpretation of said religion to suit their own agendas/beliefs that causes these conflicts and atrocities. there are extremists in all religions, they just have different methods. Westboro, for example, causes unimaginable emotional pain; ISIS causes unimaginable physical pain.
if there were no religion, there would still be conflict. territorial, economic, ethical, ethnic, you name it. why? because mankind is, in a word, a fucktard.
it would be interesting to see how the world would have worked with our population numbers back in the era before there was any particular belief system other than "survive". I think it would be Thunderdome, to be honest. Religion or not.
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Hmmm good point but im not certain of that. if there is no religious text to interpret to suit an agenda or belief then there is no room to start a conflict through the twisting of words that don't exist.
But what would we fight about ? borders? probably. But as the world currently exists, Its fair to say most borders are respected and not in conflict. Resources? economics sure? but then those battles would be fought on both sides via perhaps the same ideals leaving a more levelled playing field for all?
I take your point though, i'm no fun to talk about on these issues to be honest, as I have a massive downer on all religion and have a huge problem understanding why so many educated intelligent people subscribe to much of the stuff in the 'teachings'. But who am I to say they are wrong.0 -
Assad lost credibility? Really? But yet McCain gets a pass with all the pics of him and bagdadi all over the internet? And McCain wants to arm both sides in this conflict? Really? Come on dude. Dig deeper for the truth man. It's there.0
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paulonious wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »oki-doki fellas I get it....I would want to offend anyone.
Godfather.
No dude. It was right to be posted here. Since I now have come to see it as free speech as is the thread subtopic I believe.
So are you now saying you wont stand for free speech?
I believe in free speach for everyone in fact it's one of the great things I love about America...well free speach as much we have anyway some places in the world are very restricted in that area but I just didn't want to keep rocking the boat or train as it were, free speach is limited on the train as well with the MODS rules of engaugement and the sencetivity of some members on different topics I feel that in some cases we are bound to censorship under the disguise of politeness, we all enjoy the opertunity to share our opinions here on the train and get feed back from one another but posting our real deep down feelings on different topics is a no no if they offend others, there are some topics that offend me but the right of free speach and the right to believe as one will is also important to me.
and by the way thank you for your post.
Godfather.
free speech is not limited on the train. disrespectful speech is.
you can state your opinion on any matter as long as it is done in a respectful way. you don't always do that, with your "let's wipe them all out" comments regarding Muslims. being offended by stuff like that is not being defensive. saying stuff like that is being outright bigoted.
another example: there is no issue with saying homosexuality is against your personal beliefs. saying "what they do makes me want to vomit", as you have also done, is not in keeping with respectful debate.
and on the flip side, someone saying "I don't believe in god" is respectful. saying "anyone who believes in god is a fucktard" is not.
so FREE speach is limited then.....and what a memory you have ! you must remember other posts by members of the train that included members of my family then....right ? that must fall under the "is not" catigory of your post.
Godfather.
I remember incredibly racist and bigoted and Hitler-like posts, yes. I have zero idea what you are talking about with your family comment.
it wassn't you, I just asked if you remember it since you remember so much of what I post but I think you pick and choose what you remember about my posts but that's o.k. ..if I said it I own it no problem .
Godfather.
I remember posts by ANYONE, not just you, when they are that extreme. and I call out EVERYONE who makes such statements, not just you.
I didn't call you a nazi. I said posts of eradicating an entire race/culture is reminiscent of Hitler.
hahhahhah don't ya just hate when someone adds words to a statement you may have made.
Godfather.
the difference is, GF, you actually did say "wipe them all out" on more than one occasion.
I get your point completely, but there are massive problems in these religious books, and medieval notions in that they are so out of touch with the modern day. Folk can argue all day on the subject but there is no denying that the Muslim faith is a peaceful one largely speaking but there are extracts from the book that are always going to cause these problems, and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.
We've seen the same with the other faiths too.
If atheism was all there was, where would we be?
you know, that's a good question. I used to be of the thinking that religion causes all wars and conflicts in the world. I now realize that is a very simplistic take on a more complex issue: it isn't religion that causes the issue, it's man's interpretation of said religion to suit their own agendas/beliefs that causes these conflicts and atrocities. there are extremists in all religions, they just have different methods. Westboro, for example, causes unimaginable emotional pain; ISIS causes unimaginable physical pain.
if there were no religion, there would still be conflict. territorial, economic, ethical, ethnic, you name it. why? because mankind is, in a word, a fucktard.
it would be interesting to see how the world would have worked with our population numbers back in the era before there was any particular belief system other than "survive". I think it would be Thunderdome, to be honest. Religion or not.
I don't appreciate you calling mankind a 'Billy Corgan'."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Hmmm good point but im not certain of that. if there is no religious text to interpret to suit an agenda or belief then there is no room to start a conflict through the twisting of words that don't exist.
But what would we fight about ? borders? probably. But as the world currently exists, Its fair to say most borders are respected and not in conflict. Resources? economics sure? but then those battles would be fought on both sides via perhaps the same ideals leaving a more levelled playing field for all?
I take your point though, i'm no fun to talk about on these issues to be honest, as I have a massive downer on all religion and have a huge problem understanding why so many educated intelligent people subscribe to much of the stuff in the 'teachings'. But who am I to say they are wrong.
there are currently how many wars going on at any given time in the world? what is it, like 100? 200? and only a small fraction are faith-based. and we hear about those because it's in our countries' economic interest to be concerned about that particular region.
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paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »oki-doki fellas I get it....I would want to offend anyone.
Godfather.
No dude. It was right to be posted here. Since I now have come to see it as free speech as is the thread subtopic I believe.
So are you now saying you wont stand for free speech?
I believe in free speach for everyone in fact it's one of the great things I love about America...well free speach as much we have anyway some places in the world are very restricted in that area but I just didn't want to keep rocking the boat or train as it were, free speach is limited on the train as well with the MODS rules of engaugement and the sencetivity of some members on different topics I feel that in some cases we are bound to censorship under the disguise of politeness, we all enjoy the opertunity to share our opinions here on the train and get feed back from one another but posting our real deep down feelings on different topics is a no no if they offend others, there are some topics that offend me but the right of free speach and the right to believe as one will is also important to me.
and by the way thank you for your post.
Godfather.
free speech is not limited on the train. disrespectful speech is.
you can state your opinion on any matter as long as it is done in a respectful way. you don't always do that, with your "let's wipe them all out" comments regarding Muslims. being offended by stuff like that is not being defensive. saying stuff like that is being outright bigoted.
another example: there is no issue with saying homosexuality is against your personal beliefs. saying "what they do makes me want to vomit", as you have also done, is not in keeping with respectful debate.
and on the flip side, someone saying "I don't believe in god" is respectful. saying "anyone who believes in god is a fucktard" is not.
so FREE speach is limited then.....and what a memory you have ! you must remember other posts by members of the train that included members of my family then....right ? that must fall under the "is not" catigory of your post.
Godfather.
I remember incredibly racist and bigoted and Hitler-like posts, yes. I have zero idea what you are talking about with your family comment.
it wassn't you, I just asked if you remember it since you remember so much of what I post but I think you pick and choose what you remember about my posts but that's o.k. ..if I said it I own it no problem .
Godfather.
I remember posts by ANYONE, not just you, when they are that extreme. and I call out EVERYONE who makes such statements, not just you.
I didn't call you a nazi. I said posts of eradicating an entire race/culture is reminiscent of Hitler.
hahhahhah don't ya just hate when someone adds words to a statement you may have made.
Godfather.
the difference is, GF, you actually did say "wipe them all out" on more than one occasion.
I get your point completely, but there are massive problems in these religious books, and medieval notions in that they are so out of touch with the modern day. Folk can argue all day on the subject but there is no denying that the Muslim faith is a peaceful one largely speaking but there are extracts from the book that are always going to cause these problems, and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.
We've seen the same with the other faiths too.
If atheism was all there was, where would we be?
There's an expression: in the absence of leadership... leadership will prevail.
To your last question: if atheism was all there was... we'd figure out a way to make ourselves idiotic. Some extreme branch of atheism would emerge and irritate the hell out of everyone.
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Oh yes, I do. But has Assad dealt with the uprising since day one? IF he was going to crush ISIS, the chance was there and it was blown. The conflict, before the others started to back their horses in the race, was not exactly being controlled by a man who claims he is able to deal with IS in 3 days......I believe its a pretty desperate attempt by a man who is vastly out of his depth to use a terrible situation to garner some much needed international support.
Of course this is a very simplistic take on a very complicated situation, but that's the way I understand things. At the end of the day Assad has Russian support, and I fail to believe that by closing the Syrian border with Turkey (more than it already is), would make the battle against this vermin that much easier. I believe if it was as simple as that they would be able to take them out very easy regardless of that border.
Initially Turkey assisting the coalition (anti assad) hasn't helped, but given that everyone is opposed to ISIS a few years on, I don't think Turkey would object to their being wiped out and open their borders to hamper efforts. Wasn't it the no fly zone that was the contentious part?Post edited by pdalowsky on0 -
"Perhaps Godfathers thoughts on 'wiping them all out' mean wiping out the entire group of IS militants and not the billion plus muslims in the world."
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Godfather. wrote: »"Perhaps Godfathers thoughts on 'wiping them all out' mean wiping out the entire group of IS militants and not the billion plus muslims in the world."
Most took it this way.
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I'd say assads been doing a pretty good job in "his" country fighting 2 enemies and having the west arming both enemies. No? Oh and he's also having to walk on egg shells with Israel even though they keep meddling in his affairs.0
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Godfather. wrote: »"Perhaps Godfathers thoughts on 'wiping them all out' mean wiping out the entire group of IS militants and not the billion plus muslims in the world."
Godfather,
I don't think you're a bigot who would call for the annihilation of all Muslims of the world.
I personally owe you an apology: there was ambiguity in the statement you made about 'wiping them out', and I should have been more analytical before commenting on it, especially because it was an attack on character, which was juvenile and irresponsible of me.
Looking back, at most, your comment about 'wiping them all out' was naive (but not inhumane) in the sense that, if IS militants could be wiped out in a way without a new wave sprouting up in their place, and if IS militants could be wiped out in a way that civilian casualties could be avoided, clearly this would have already been done. Moving forward, these poor innocent people in the devastated portions of the world at the hands of these monsters have suffered enough: what's left of their quality of life ought to be seen as sacred, and protected at all costs. I believe humanity owes them that: not to indiscriminately or rashly invade and attack, before factoring in the reason for the civil strife, and the results that could come from either intervening or not. AKA, let a cost/benefit analysis be done, consider the possible outcomes, act from there.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and I'll respect u on that.0
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Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »"Perhaps Godfathers thoughts on 'wiping them all out' mean wiping out the entire group of IS militants and not the billion plus muslims in the world."
Most took it this way.
he made this comment about all middle easterners before ISIS even was on the radar. but whatever. he can deny it all he wants.
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Sounds like someone's backtracking0
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paulonious wrote: »Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »"Perhaps Godfathers thoughts on 'wiping them all out' mean wiping out the entire group of IS militants and not the billion plus muslims in the world."
Most took it this way.
he made this comment about all middle easterners before ISIS even was on the radar. but whatever. he can deny it all he wants.
At least the one I remember, it was ambiguous and could have been perceived as being about either of extremists or Muslims.
I don't think it's here nor there though: as was said before, we are all here to discuss a topic. Why let the discussion pivot to the quality or morality of the members discussing, rather than the topic we're all emotionally invested in? I'm guilty of this myself, but I think we should aspire to get back on track.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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paulonious wrote: »Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »Godfather. wrote: »"Perhaps Godfathers thoughts on 'wiping them all out' mean wiping out the entire group of IS militants and not the billion plus muslims in the world."
Most took it this way.
he made this comment about all middle easterners before ISIS even was on the radar. but whatever. he can deny it all he wants.
At least the one I remember, it was ambiguous and could have been perceived as being about either of extremists or Muslims.
I don't think it's here nor there though: as was said before, we are all here to discuss a topic. Why let the discussion pivot to the quality or morality of the members discussing, rather than the topic we're all emotionally invested in? I'm guilty of this myself, but I think we should aspire to get back on track.
well, when someone makes a statement, and then backtracks on it, and not only that, insults others in the process, I call them out on it. but yes, it is getting redundunt, so let's move on.
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Seems the board really can't help itself , making it about a poster rather than the topic at hand.
12 people are still dead another 5 in the aftermath for a tasteless attack on religion.
I wonder if ole charlie goes after athiesm with as much seeming glee as it does Islam. It IS a growing belief system._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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