But I invited you to a BBQ gf, isn't that nice of me? I thought I was being nice. Or maybe you can contact "your" contacts and have a drone drop a bomb on us enjoying the BBQ. There will be a few of us Muslims there. But there also be some non-Muslims. I guess u can call them collateral damage. That's a common phrase you war mongers use when shit goes astray.
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
When did everyone become so thin skinned?
Think about your question. If we're still using a schoolyard analogy - would a kid not get in shit for creating and passing around a degrading cartoon about a classmate or their beliefs? It's still bullying.
And the cartoons are only the tip of the iceberg - you're making the same mistake GF just did. you're ignoring all of the context and nuance, which is the whole problem with this discussion. This didn't happen over free speech and offensive cartoons! might have been the trigger, but these people didn't start down an extremist path when they read these cartoons - there is much more to it.
I understand the complexities of the situation, and I'm not arguing that we shouldn't look deeper, but sometimes we need to take a step back and look at the simplicities of the situation.....if that makes any sense.
I think arguing about who the bully here is may be a chicken and egg thing. I still don't see making cartoons as an aggressive act. Killing most definitely is.
I sometimes wonder what opinions would be shared if it were proven that one of these attacks was coordinated or coerced by western intelligence. Where would that leave the people who scream about free speech and call for violent retribution?
But I invited you to a BBQ gf, isn't that nice of me? I thought I was being nice. Or maybe you can contact "your" contacts and have a drone drop a bomb on us enjoying the BBQ. There will be a few of us Muslims there. But there also be some non-Muslims. I guess u can call them collateral damage. That's a common phrase you war mongers use when shit goes astray.
very kind indeed...my "contacts" would never spoil a good BBQ and beside eastern food is not for me but thank you anyway.
but seriously if it where closer I would show up just see the look on your face when I showed up and I'd bet it wouldn't be as bad you think.
Hahahaha eastern food? Hahahaha no gf, we're actually making REAL authentic California food, carne asada tacos and chicken tacos, rice and beans. And let's be REAL here, LA is big but not that big. I've been driving around the whole week bro. Stop kidding yourself. Everyone else is more then welcome.
Edit-last night I went from LA to Costa Mesa in 45 mins. That's LA-Costa Mesa, by Newport Beach. Gas is expensive but not that expensive. Hahaha. It's 2.39 a gallon now. Was 3.99 when I moved back to jersey on 2011. Hahaha
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I sometimes wonder what opinions would be shared of it were proven that one of these attacks was coordinated or coerced by western intelligence. Where would that leave the people who scream about free speech and call for violent retribution?
I was imagining a similar scenario, Drowned Out. It's difficult to think that this could happen and I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but it is an interesting question to ponder.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I sometimes wonder what opinions would be shared of it were proven that one of these attacks was coordinated or coerced by western intelligence. Where would that leave the people who scream about free speech and call for violent retribution?
I was imagining a similar scenario, Drowned Out. It's difficult to think that this could happen and I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but it is an interesting question to ponder.
Why is it difficult to think it could happen? There are many examples of similar scenarios that have been verified and admitted to by western powers...conspiracies? Yes. Theories? No.
I imagine we will start seeing articles soon that assert such involvement by western intelligence, but I doubt we will ever reach a consensus that the charges have been "proven".
but I am not going to print anything that is just an obvious attempt to incite rage.
Don't know whose quote this was but if people are going to rage about a comic, the bank getting robbed, the fact the person beside me on the bus can't speak any of the two official languages of the country I live in, etc., they may well just off themselves to save the rest of us who can get along with the way the world runs. Incite rage, SWEET!
Don't like the new country you want to call home and the way they run their bizniz, just fuck off back home. Nobody will miss you. And while you are their don't open a magazine that will put you in a rage.
People on this board trying to defend killing because you are outraged. Fucking odd balls!
I'll say it again in hopes that people can actually fucking get this through their heads: no one is defending killing. NOT ONE PERSON.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.
Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.
Hahahaha eastern food? Hahahaha no gf, we're actually making REAL authentic California food, carne asada tacos and chicken tacos, rice and beans. And let's be REAL here, LA is big but not that big. I've been driving around the whole week bro. Stop kidding yourself. Everyone else is more then welcome.
Edit-last night I went from LA to Costa Mesa in 45 mins. That's LA-Costa Mesa, by Newport Beach. Gas is expensive but not that expensive. Hahaha. It's 2.39 a gallon now. Was 3.99 when I moved back to jersey on 2011. Hahaha
carne asada tacos and chicken tacos, rice and beans...yes that is a BBQ ! sounds awesome.
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.
Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.
now you are just arguing semantics.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.
Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.
now you are just arguing semantics.
No I'm not. You claimed bullying. I don't see it. Showing that someone may have been upset by something is not showing someone was bullied. People are upset by things all the time, both rightly and wrongly. Someone being upset by something is not proof someone was bullied. That is not semantics.
When did printing cartoons become bullying? Having your office firebombed is being bullied. Murdering 12 cartoonists is bullying. Printing cartoons is not bullying.
I don't know, but it is a good question.
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.
Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.
now you are just arguing semantics.
No I'm not. You claimed bullying. I don't see it. Showing that someone may have been upset by something is not showing someone was bullied. People are upset by things all the time, both rightly and wrongly. Someone being upset by something is not proof someone was bullied. That is not semantics.
I know those words aren't synonymous.....but in the context I presented, I think it's pretty clear that it would be considered bullying. put that same situation in the classroom, or the workplace, etc, and it's considered bullying. putting it in mass media is no different. it's just a different vehicle.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Every newspaper, magazine, tv show should show image of Mohamed. Then we stop being considerate and call out all gods as BS. How can we as a seemingly intelligent species continue this charade. Humans.
Every newspaper, magazine, tv show should show image of Mohamed. Then we stop being considerate and call out all gods as BS. How can we as a seemingly intelligent species continue this charade. Humans.
And some people wonder why others of us make fun of religion. Arguing that a snowman made in the likeness of man is sinful? That sure is a lusty and erotic snowman and is clearly "anti-Islamic."
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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I sometimes wonder what opinions would be shared of it were proven that one of these attacks was coordinated or coerced by western intelligence. Where would that leave the people who scream about free speech and call for violent retribution?
I was imagining a similar scenario, Drowned Out. It's difficult to think that this could happen and I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but it is an interesting question to ponder.
Why is it difficult to think it could happen? There are many examples of similar scenarios that have been verified and admitted to by western powers...conspiracies? Yes. Theories? No.
No you're right, it's not difficult to think that it could happen, it's difficult and unsettling to think that maybe it did happen. Many theories surrounding conspiracies have been debunked... but of course, not all. That is unsettling.
Now, folks, here's something that I've been hesitant to mention but I'll throw it out there because I'm curious as to whether or not this makes sense:
Not too many years ago, many Americans were bashing the French because of France's opposition to the invasion of Iraq. We even went so far as to rename "French Fries"- "Freedom Fries". For some people here, everything French was evil.
So this afternoon, while I was rummaging around in a local thrift store, the Rush Limbaugh show was being aired on that stores radio (always nice to have some entertainment going while shopping). The commentators were practically falling all over themselves talking about how we really need to rally to support the French people in the wake of the Charlie Hebo shootings.
Now look, don't get me wrong. I'm NOT saying we should condone the shooting or that we should not have compassion for the French people. What I am questioning is why some segments of our population seem to be rather fickle when it comes to running the gamut from Franceophobia to Frenchophilia.
Is this a stretch?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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I understand the complexities of the situation, and I'm not arguing that we shouldn't look deeper, but sometimes we need to take a step back and look at the simplicities of the situation.....if that makes any sense.
I think arguing about who the bully here is may be a chicken and egg thing. I still don't see making cartoons as an aggressive act. Killing most definitely is.
very kind indeed...my "contacts" would never spoil a good BBQ and beside eastern food is not for me but thank you anyway.
but seriously if it where closer I would show up just see the look on your face when I showed up and I'd bet it wouldn't be as bad you think.
Godfather.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Edit-last night I went from LA to Costa Mesa in 45 mins. That's LA-Costa Mesa, by Newport Beach. Gas is expensive but not that expensive. Hahaha. It's 2.39 a gallon now. Was 3.99 when I moved back to jersey on 2011. Hahaha
I was imagining a similar scenario, Drowned Out. It's difficult to think that this could happen and I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but it is an interesting question to ponder.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Why is it difficult to think it could happen? There are many examples of similar scenarios that have been verified and admitted to by western powers...conspiracies? Yes. Theories? No.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'll say it again in hopes that people can actually fucking get this through their heads: no one is defending killing. NOT ONE PERSON.
-EV 8/14/93
how would you feel if someone printed a cartoon of one of your loved ones, or someone you respect, or whatever, being fucked in the ass by a donkey, or whatever the hell it was? i'm pretty sure that's the very definition of bullying.
if there was a magazine out there with ed getting anally raped by scott stapp, this place would fucking explode.
-EV 8/14/93
It would upset me. Would I go murder that person? No.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
didn't say you would. but you agreed with dignin originally that printing a cartoon was not bullying, which was my point.
-EV 8/14/93
Upsetting someone is not the same as bullying them. Those aren't synonymous terms.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
carne asada tacos and chicken tacos, rice and beans...yes that is a BBQ ! sounds awesome.
Godfather.
ahhh dude ! that picture makes my guts turn please make it go away HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA
Godfather.
now you are just arguing semantics.
-EV 8/14/93
No I'm not. You claimed bullying. I don't see it. Showing that someone may have been upset by something is not showing someone was bullied. People are upset by things all the time, both rightly and wrongly. Someone being upset by something is not proof someone was bullied. That is not semantics.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I know those words aren't synonymous.....but in the context I presented, I think it's pretty clear that it would be considered bullying. put that same situation in the classroom, or the workplace, etc, and it's considered bullying. putting it in mass media is no different. it's just a different vehicle.
-EV 8/14/93
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
100% agree.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I would also agree with that.
-EV 8/14/93
I wonder what kind of cartoon would be drawn about this article?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/12/saudi-arabia-snowmen-winter-fatwa
And some people wonder why others of us make fun of religion. Arguing that a snowman made in the likeness of man is sinful? That sure is a lusty and erotic snowman and is clearly "anti-Islamic."
No you're right, it's not difficult to think that it could happen, it's difficult and unsettling to think that maybe it did happen. Many theories surrounding conspiracies have been debunked... but of course, not all. That is unsettling.
Now, folks, here's something that I've been hesitant to mention but I'll throw it out there because I'm curious as to whether or not this makes sense:
Not too many years ago, many Americans were bashing the French because of France's opposition to the invasion of Iraq. We even went so far as to rename "French Fries"- "Freedom Fries". For some people here, everything French was evil.
So this afternoon, while I was rummaging around in a local thrift store, the Rush Limbaugh show was being aired on that stores radio (always nice to have some entertainment going while shopping). The commentators were practically falling all over themselves talking about how we really need to rally to support the French people in the wake of the Charlie Hebo shootings.
Now look, don't get me wrong. I'm NOT saying we should condone the shooting or that we should not have compassion for the French people. What I am questioning is why some segments of our population seem to be rather fickle when it comes to running the gamut from Franceophobia to Frenchophilia.
Is this a stretch?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"