I Just Canceled My Free Obamacare ...

DriftingByTheStorm

Bentleyspop said:

I can't understand anything you write without an "F" bomb in every sentence.

Cool.
The Medium IS The Message, Don't You Know?

DriftingByTheStorm

lolobugg said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

healthcare should be a basic human right.

I agree. Also free access to water. Free organic food. And a free solar home.
No one should die because they can not afford food, water, or shelter.
We should provide the very best we can for everyone, and split the cost.

sarcasm... I seriously can't tell...
the solar home comment makes me think so

Absolute.
Sarcasm in the 1st Degree.
Your basic human rights are:
a right to live.
a right to be free while you are alive.
a right to pursue gainful employment without ANY encumbrance (as it is of necessity to your right to life) ... [this was actually the former governing opinion of the land and was reiterated by the supreme courts before the 20th century took us horribly off course]

everything else, you're on your own for.
and should work for if you want it.
and should talk to your representative about if you see an injustice somewhere.
but it should NOT be yours for free.

I personally think socks and shoes are an essential human right,
and think that Puma should provide those both to me free.

DriftingByTheStorm

Gern Blansten said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

healthcare should be a basic human right.

I agree. Also free access to water. Free organic food. And a free solar home.
No one should die because they can not afford food, water, or shelter.
We should provide the very best we can for everyone, and split the cost.

Just go off the grid and cancel your health insurance. You won't get penalized if your income is low enough OR if your health plan costs 8% or more of your total income. (and guess what....it's going to be hard to find a health plan that is less than 8% of your income unless you are making $150K or more...see how that works?)

Problem solved.

Cool
Thanks for your help.
I would like to offer you compensation in exchange for your life coaching skills.
Can I get you on retainer, and can you send me your paypal donation or bitcoin wallet link?
TY

Gern Blansten

DriftingByTheStorm said:

Gern Blansten said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

healthcare should be a basic human right.

I agree. Also free access to water. Free organic food. And a free solar home.
No one should die because they can not afford food, water, or shelter.
We should provide the very best we can for everyone, and split the cost.

Just go off the grid and cancel your health insurance. You won't get penalized if your income is low enough OR if your health plan costs 8% or more of your total income. (and guess what....it's going to be hard to find a health plan that is less than 8% of your income unless you are making $150K or more...see how that works?)

Problem solved.

Cool
Thanks for your help.
I would like to offer you compensation in exchange for your life coaching skills.
Can I get you on retainer, and can you send me your paypal donation or bitcoin wallet link?
TY

Yes...PM sent

lolobugg

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

healthcare should be a basic human right.

I agree. Also free access to water. Free organic food. And a free solar home.
No one should die because they can not afford food, water, or shelter.
We should provide the very best we can for everyone, and split the cost.

sarcasm... I seriously can't tell...
the solar home comment makes me think so

Absolute.
Sarcasm in the 1st Degree.
Your basic human rights are:
a right to live.
a right to be free while you are alive.
a right to pursue gainful employment without ANY encumbrance (as it is of necessity to your right to life) ... [this was actually the former governing opinion of the land and was reiterated by the supreme courts before the 20th century took us horribly off course]

everything else, you're on your own for.
and should work for if you want it.
and should talk to your representative about if you see an injustice somewhere.
but it should NOT be yours for free.

I personally think socks and shoes are an essential human right,
and think that Puma should provide those both to me free.

I'll agree to disagree....
I hold two jobs and I feel like everyone should work for what they get,
however you can't put a price on someone's life.
how do you feel about children?
put them to work to earn their healthcare if their mommy and daddy's don't work?
should they starve too?
basic concern for the welfare of our fellow humans is what places us above animals.

benjs

lolobugg said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

healthcare should be a basic human right.

I agree. Also free access to water. Free organic food. And a free solar home.
No one should die because they can not afford food, water, or shelter.
We should provide the very best we can for everyone, and split the cost.

sarcasm... I seriously can't tell...
the solar home comment makes me think so

Absolute.
Sarcasm in the 1st Degree.
Your basic human rights are:
a right to live.
a right to be free while you are alive.
a right to pursue gainful employment without ANY encumbrance (as it is of necessity to your right to life) ... [this was actually the former governing opinion of the land and was reiterated by the supreme courts before the 20th century took us horribly off course]

everything else, you're on your own for.
and should work for if you want it.
and should talk to your representative about if you see an injustice somewhere.
but it should NOT be yours for free.

I personally think socks and shoes are an essential human right,
and think that Puma should provide those both to me free.

I'll agree to disagree....
I hold two jobs and I feel like everyone should work for what they get,
however you can't put a price on someone's life.
how do you feel about children?
put them to work to earn their healthcare if their mommy and daddy's don't work?
should they starve too?
basic concern for the welfare of our fellow humans is what places us above animals.

I agree with you about all of this, except for the last sentence. Greed, a lack of personal accountability, in addition to basic neglect of the welfare of our fellow humans and our home are what keep us below animals. Animals work together typically to get what they need (and little more) for their respective breeds.

lolobugg

benjs said:

lolobugg said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

DriftingByTheStorm said:

lolobugg said:

healthcare should be a basic human right.

I agree. Also free access to water. Free organic food. And a free solar home.
No one should die because they can not afford food, water, or shelter.
We should provide the very best we can for everyone, and split the cost.

sarcasm... I seriously can't tell...
the solar home comment makes me think so

Absolute.
Sarcasm in the 1st Degree.
Your basic human rights are:
a right to live.
a right to be free while you are alive.
a right to pursue gainful employment without ANY encumbrance (as it is of necessity to your right to life) ... [this was actually the former governing opinion of the land and was reiterated by the supreme courts before the 20th century took us horribly off course]

everything else, you're on your own for.
and should work for if you want it.
and should talk to your representative about if you see an injustice somewhere.
but it should NOT be yours for free.

I personally think socks and shoes are an essential human right,
and think that Puma should provide those both to me free.

I'll agree to disagree....
I hold two jobs and I feel like everyone should work for what they get,
however you can't put a price on someone's life.
how do you feel about children?
put them to work to earn their healthcare if their mommy and daddy's don't work?
should they starve too?
basic concern for the welfare of our fellow humans is what places us above animals.

I agree with you about all of this, except for the last sentence. Greed, a lack of personal accountability, in addition to basic neglect of the welfare of our fellow humans and our home are what keep us below animals. Animals work together typically to get what they need (and little more) for their respective breeds.

very true
can't disagree with you....
I guess I should have said "should"

"they don't eat, don't sleep.....

Last-12-Exit

Free healthcare is NOT a human right. Absurd.

lolobugg

Last-12-Exit said:

Free healthcare is NOT a human right. Absurd.

it is not free....
it is paid for by taxes
for all the stupid shit my taxes go to-
I would rather it go to this than to some fucking bombs or missiles.

Last-12-Exit

Ok, I'll say it like this, health care is NOT a human right.

lolobugg

Last-12-Exit said:

Ok, I'll say it like this, health care is NOT a human right.

it is not....
but it should be.
I don't know why you guys don't think it should be....
are you scared of overpopulation?

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lolobugg said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Ok, I'll say it like this, health care is NOT a human right.

it is not....
but it should be.
I don't know why you guys don't think it should be....
are you scared of overpopulation?

Don't be silly. Insurance doesn't prevent dealth.

lolobugg

Last-12-Exit said:

lolobugg said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Ok, I'll say it like this, health care is NOT a human right.

it is not....
but it should be.
I don't know why you guys don't think it should be....
are you scared of overpopulation?

Don't be silly. Insurance doesn't prevent dealth.

but access to quality heathcare does....
paying out of pocket is too much for uninsured

my ex-wife's father just found out he has throat cancer....
I has had it for a long time but put off going to a doctor...
if they caught it earlier he might have had a chance.

catefrances

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People with insurance die every day.

Gern Blansten

And people without it can die and leave their families bankrupt

Last-12-Exit

Financial problems doesn't mean it's a human right.

Last-12-Exit

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

The saddest part is that people think that it is more important to have an arsenal in their basements rather than obtain affordable insurance.

callen

lolobugg said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Free healthcare is NOT a human right. Absurd.

it is not free....
it is paid for by taxes
for all the stupid shit my taxes go to-
I would rather it go to this than to some fucking bombs or missiles.

fk the poor let's spread some freedom.

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

but I'm paying for others emergency room visits and be great if the uninsured would pick up their share.

We should have affordable healthcare. Feel we should spend the resources.

Hope AHC is refined rather than scrapped.

callen

DriftingByTheStorm said:

rustyrails said:

Is it really that hard to keep your finances in order?... I mean shit dude.. You have time to come on here and bitch about it. Would you be upset if wealthy people were getting subsidies because they didn't have to prove their income?

You're going to pop a blood vessel... chill the F out if you're not going to have health care.

If You're asking me is it really that hard for me to prove my current years income for three separate jobs, the answer is yes. It really is that fucking hard.

Really?!? So it's pain in but to pull together some numbers and doesn't offset you becoming seriously ill and being in debt for the rest of your freakin life???

Like your attitude, much needed on board so hope you keep posting. Really enjoyed your thoughts on market.

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callen said:

lolobugg said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Free healthcare is NOT a human right. Absurd.

it is not free....
it is paid for by taxes
for all the stupid shit my taxes go to-
I would rather it go to this than to some fucking bombs or missiles.

fk the poor let's spread some freedom.

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

but I'm paying for others emergency room visits and be great if the uninsured would pick up their share.

We should have affordable healthcare. Feel we should spend the resources.

Hope AHC is refined rather than scrapped.

We are still paying for it. Just because Obama is forcing people to get insurance under the threat of penalty doesn't mean people are getting it.

Another problem is the cost of health care. What these doctors and hospitals charge for basic check ups and procedures are insane.

Last-12-Exit

I go to the doctor now to get a script for some allergy meds today and pay $20. If I go in January, I'll pay $97. That's just so my doctor can write the script. Nothing else is done. That is friggin nuts.

Gern Blansten

Not bad....if I go now I pay $120. If I go in January I pay $120

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

lolobugg said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Free healthcare is NOT a human right. Absurd.

it is not free....
it is paid for by taxes
for all the stupid shit my taxes go to-
I would rather it go to this than to some fucking bombs or missiles.

fk the poor let's spread some freedom.

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

but I'm paying for others emergency room visits and be great if the uninsured would pick up their share.

We should have affordable healthcare. Feel we should spend the resources.

Hope AHC is refined rather than scrapped.

We are still paying for it. Just because Obama is forcing people to get insurance under the threat of penalty doesn't mean people are getting it.

Another problem is the cost of health care. What these doctors and hospitals charge for basic check ups and procedures are insane.

Do you not do any research before you post this stuff? Look up the % of uninsured now....then compare it to two years ago.

And we agree that costs are insane....isn't it better to have MORE people insured and contributing toward those costs? You are kind of writing your own dissent

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

The saddest part is that people think that it is more important to have an arsenal in their basements rather than obtain affordable insurance.

They COULD fix the gun problem. YOU won't elect the people that can fix it.

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

The saddest part is that people think that it is more important to have an arsenal in their basements rather than obtain affordable insurance.

They COULD fix the gun problem. YOU won't elect the people that can fix it.

Do you know my voting record over the past 10 years?

Wow. I was not aware that 100% of the US population has healthcare since 2010. Do you research this? Because I know for a fact that is not the case.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

The saddest part is that people think that it is more important to have an arsenal in their basements rather than obtain affordable insurance.

They COULD fix the gun problem. YOU won't elect the people that can fix it.

Do you know my voting record over the past 10 years?

Wow. I was not aware that 100% of the US population has healthcare since 2010. Do you research this? Because I know for a fact that is not the case.

I never said it was 100%....I said that the ACA certainly put more people on the insurance rolls. That's a fact. You suggested that "paying a penalty won't force people to get insurance". I don't necessarily believe that the penalty is what is doing it but the % of increase is definitely verifiable.

oftenreading

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

The saddest part is that people think that it is more important to have an arsenal in their basements rather than obtain affordable insurance.

They COULD fix the gun problem. YOU won't elect the people that can fix it.

Do you know my voting record over the past 10 years?

Wow. I was not aware that 100% of the US population has healthcare since 2010. Do you research this? Because I know for a fact that is not the case.

Did you see 100% quoted in Gern's post? I didn't. Anyone see 100%? Anyone? Bueller?

Gern Blansten

http://www.gallup.com/poll/168248/uninsured-rate-lowest-2008.aspx

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oftenreading said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The problem here is the government forcing people to have it. The government should not be mandating health insurance. The same people telling us that we have to have health insurance are the same people that can't fix the gun problem in this country.

The saddest part is that people think that it is more important to have an arsenal in their basements rather than obtain affordable insurance.

They COULD fix the gun problem. YOU won't elect the people that can fix it.

Do you know my voting record over the past 10 years?

Wow. I was not aware that 100% of the US population has healthcare since 2010. Do you research this? Because I know for a fact that is not the case.

Did you see 100% quoted in Gern's post? I didn't. Anyone see 100%? Anyone? Bueller?

No, but the assumption was made that I don't research my posts after I said that everybody would not get insurance even after Obamas threat of penalty.

I'm sure gern appreciates you sticking up for him.