Reza Aslan On Muslim violence myths

badbrains

Staceb10 said:

So where are these 1.6 billion peaceful muslims? Why aren't they standing up to these tyrants that are destroying their religion? I would think that they would be able to control the 30-40k radicals in ISIS. I in no way think that the majority of muslims are radical and terrorists but it isn't a "myth". that Muslims are the ones responsible for most of the terror attacks over the last 2 decades. They are the ones blowing people up, cutting their heads off on camera for people to watch, killing children and let's hope you aren't a muslim female who is raped and then killed for your "sin" of shaming the family.

I don't care if there is 1 radical Islamist or 3 million. Something has to be done about this "myth" of violence happening right now.

And WHOS been responsible for causing ALL these wars in the past 15 years? Please do tell. And all those peaceful Muslims ARE doing things. Your lame ass media won't show you this. Why u ask? Because it goes AGAINST their agenda. I'm done responding. Gonna think of another song to request since my party thread got closed.

Staceb10

Maybe check out the shooting in Canada thread...see how that ""myth" of violence is going today.

badbrains

Staceb10 said:

Maybe check out the shooting in Canada thread...see how that ""myth" of violence is going today.

Fear is your ONLY god.

benjs

Staceb10 said:

So where are these 1.6 billion peaceful muslims? Why aren't they standing up to these tyrants that are destroying their religion? I would think that they would be able to control the 30-40k radicals in ISIS. I in no way think that the majority of muslims are radical and terrorists but it isn't a "myth". that Muslims are the ones responsible for most of the terror attacks over the last 2 decades. They are the ones blowing people up, cutting their heads off on camera for people to watch, killing children and let's hope you aren't a muslim female who is raped and then killed for your "sin" of shaming the family.

I don't care if there is 1 radical Islamist or 3 million. Something has to be done about this "myth" of violence happening right now.

You've heard from several Muslims on here that the ISIS Islam is not their version of Islam. This might be because their lives do not involve beheading, blowing people up,killing children, or rape. To these peaceful Muslims, ISIS is likely as foreign an entity as it is to you or me. So if you want to place blame for inaction on the 'moderates' - don't just blame Muslims: blame all moderates - and blame yourself. Or better yet, do something about it. That's what I do, because I'm the only person I can control. If we put half the energy into educating ourselves on foreign policies from our governments (which can lead to better voting, educated protesting, positive action) as we do finding reasons to generalize, embellish, stereotype about massive groups of people (which seems to only lead to negative action), I think the political and cultural landscapes would look incredibly differently today.

badbrains

benjs said:

Staceb10 said:

So where are these 1.6 billion peaceful muslims? Why aren't they standing up to these tyrants that are destroying their religion? I would think that they would be able to control the 30-40k radicals in ISIS. I in no way think that the majority of muslims are radical and terrorists but it isn't a "myth". that Muslims are the ones responsible for most of the terror attacks over the last 2 decades. They are the ones blowing people up, cutting their heads off on camera for people to watch, killing children and let's hope you aren't a muslim female who is raped and then killed for your "sin" of shaming the family.

I don't care if there is 1 radical Islamist or 3 million. Something has to be done about this "myth" of violence happening right now.

You've heard from several Muslims on here that the ISIS Islam is not their version of Islam. This might be because their lives do not involve beheading, blowing people up,killing children, or rape. To these peaceful Muslims, ISIS is likely as foreign an entity as it is to you or me. So if you want to place blame for inaction on the 'moderates' - don't just blame Muslims: blame all moderates - and blame yourself. Or better yet, do something about it. That's what I do, because I'm the only person I can control. If we put half the energy into educating ourselves on foreign policies from our governments (which can lead to better voting, educated protesting, positive action) as we do finding reasons to generalize, embellish, stereotype about massive groups of people (which seems to only lead to negative action), I think the political and cultural landscapes would look incredibly differently today.

And that's my Jewish brother standing up for us peaceful Muslims. Well, he's Jewish in name as I'm Muslim in name! ) What's up Ben? How goes my friend?!?!

benjs

badbrains said:

benjs said:

Staceb10 said:

So where are these 1.6 billion peaceful muslims? Why aren't they standing up to these tyrants that are destroying their religion? I would think that they would be able to control the 30-40k radicals in ISIS. I in no way think that the majority of muslims are radical and terrorists but it isn't a "myth". that Muslims are the ones responsible for most of the terror attacks over the last 2 decades. They are the ones blowing people up, cutting their heads off on camera for people to watch, killing children and let's hope you aren't a muslim female who is raped and then killed for your "sin" of shaming the family.

I don't care if there is 1 radical Islamist or 3 million. Something has to be done about this "myth" of violence happening right now.

You've heard from several Muslims on here that the ISIS Islam is not their version of Islam. This might be because their lives do not involve beheading, blowing people up,killing children, or rape. To these peaceful Muslims, ISIS is likely as foreign an entity as it is to you or me. So if you want to place blame for inaction on the 'moderates' - don't just blame Muslims: blame all moderates - and blame yourself. Or better yet, do something about it. That's what I do, because I'm the only person I can control. If we put half the energy into educating ourselves on foreign policies from our governments (which can lead to better voting, educated protesting, positive action) as we do finding reasons to generalize, embellish, stereotype about massive groups of people (which seems to only lead to negative action), I think the political and cultural landscapes would look incredibly differently today.

And that's my Jewish brother standing up for us peaceful Muslims. Well, he's Jewish in name as I'm Muslim in name! ) What's up Ben? How goes my friend?!?!

Eh, it goes. Hopefully things feel better on your end

Pingfah

Staceb10 said:

So where are these 1.6 billion peaceful muslims? Why aren't they standing up to these tyrants that are destroying their religion? I would think that they would be able to control the 30-40k radicals in ISIS.

This is one of the most breathtakingly naive statements I have read on this board. IS are mainly killing other Muslims who aren't quite the right flavour of Muslim for them, if you think these people are just sitting about waiting to be decapitated, then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Seriously, pull your head out, and take a look at what is actually going on in these places, but I suppose that would involve seeking out information that contradicts your blinkered world view. Not something people like you are keen on, I know. Many peaceful Muslims are being killed because they refuse to bow down and convert for these nutters, while you sit there in your comfy chair pontificating this claptrap, thousands of peaceful Muslims are dying and fighting for their beliefs everyday.

badbrains

Pingfah said:

Staceb10 said:

So where are these 1.6 billion peaceful muslims? Why aren't they standing up to these tyrants that are destroying their religion? I would think that they would be able to control the 30-40k radicals in ISIS.

This is one of the most breathtakingly naive statements I have read on this board. IS are mainly killing other Muslims who aren't quite the right flavour of Muslim for them, if you think these people are just sitting about waiting to be decapitated, then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Seriously, pull your head out, and take a look at what is actually going on in these places, but I suppose that would involve seeking out information that contradicts your blinkered world view. Not something people like you are keen on, I know. Many peaceful Muslims are being killed because they refuse to bow down and convert for these nutters, while you sit there in your comfy chair pontificating this claptrap, thousands of peaceful Muslims are dying and fighting for their beliefs everyday.

Thank YOU pingfah. Amen brother.

brianlux

Staceb10 said:

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

Myth of Muslim violence? Not a myth when the masses embrace it. I used to think radical Islam was minority but not anymore.

Masses? As in the majority? Where do you get this information? I don't think even Faux News goes that far. Maybe some of the far right pundits but they're just entertainers. Links? References? (Sorry, you're not going to find any that are worth a thought, damn or straw.)

Why do liberals act like conservatives only watch Fox News? That isn't the case and you guys should really start using a better argument. Masses wasn't a literal comment but when there are over 30k muslims in ISIS.. that's not counting the Al Qaeda faction of terrorists.. or Hamas.. then that is more than just a few Islamic radicals. I do understand that Muslims aren't inherently violent but people can't keep acting like this is some small group of crazy people.

I don't go by "liberal" or "conservative". I'm just a guy looking for a straight answer. If you say "masses" I take it to mean you mean masses. The masses of Muslims are not blood thirsty radical killers. OK?

OK.

badbrains

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

Myth of Muslim violence? Not a myth when the masses embrace it. I used to think radical Islam was minority but not anymore.

Masses? As in the majority? Where do you get this information? I don't think even Faux News goes that far. Maybe some of the far right pundits but they're just entertainers. Links? References? (Sorry, you're not going to find any that are worth a thought, damn or straw.)

Why do liberals act like conservatives only watch Fox News? That isn't the case and you guys should really start using a better argument. Masses wasn't a literal comment but when there are over 30k muslims in ISIS.. that's not counting the Al Qaeda faction of terrorists.. or Hamas.. then that is more than just a few Islamic radicals. I do understand that Muslims aren't inherently violent but people can't keep acting like this is some small group of crazy people.

I don't go by "liberal" or "conservative". I'm just a guy looking for a straight answer. If you say "masses" I take it to mean you mean masses. The masses of Muslims are not blood thirsty radical killers. OK?

OK.

Fuck radical Islam! This coming FROM a Muslim.

brianlux

badbrains said:

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

Myth of Muslim violence? Not a myth when the masses embrace it. I used to think radical Islam was minority but not anymore.

Masses? As in the majority? Where do you get this information? I don't think even Faux News goes that far. Maybe some of the far right pundits but they're just entertainers. Links? References? (Sorry, you're not going to find any that are worth a thought, damn or straw.)

Why do liberals act like conservatives only watch Fox News? That isn't the case and you guys should really start using a better argument. Masses wasn't a literal comment but when there are over 30k muslims in ISIS.. that's not counting the Al Qaeda faction of terrorists.. or Hamas.. then that is more than just a few Islamic radicals. I do understand that Muslims aren't inherently violent but people can't keep acting like this is some small group of crazy people.

I don't go by "liberal" or "conservative". I'm just a guy looking for a straight answer. If you say "masses" I take it to mean you mean masses. The masses of Muslims are not blood thirsty radical killers. OK?

OK.

Fuck radical Islam! This coming FROM a Muslim.

:-bd

badbrains

brianlux said:

badbrains said:

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

brianlux said:

Staceb10 said:

Myth of Muslim violence? Not a myth when the masses embrace it. I used to think radical Islam was minority but not anymore.

Masses? As in the majority? Where do you get this information? I don't think even Faux News goes that far. Maybe some of the far right pundits but they're just entertainers. Links? References? (Sorry, you're not going to find any that are worth a thought, damn or straw.)

Why do liberals act like conservatives only watch Fox News? That isn't the case and you guys should really start using a better argument. Masses wasn't a literal comment but when there are over 30k muslims in ISIS.. that's not counting the Al Qaeda faction of terrorists.. or Hamas.. then that is more than just a few Islamic radicals. I do understand that Muslims aren't inherently violent but people can't keep acting like this is some small group of crazy people.

I don't go by "liberal" or "conservative". I'm just a guy looking for a straight answer. If you say "masses" I take it to mean you mean masses. The masses of Muslims are not blood thirsty radical killers. OK?

OK.

Fuck radical Islam! This coming FROM a Muslim.

:-bd

I'd protest those fuckers just as I protested against the war. NO MORE. Enough.

chadwick

in eye to eye life, bb, if you spoke against those IS clowns, i would think they would enjoy fucking you up awhile, you know torture & murder because you protested their silly ass bullshit.

or

you grabbed a machine gun real fast & started laying down some lead, you know maybe toss a few gernades at their goofy asses.

does the local mosque speak out against these idiots? i would believe they do. they may want to consider using their money donations to supply weaponry to those fighting IS

badbrains

chadwick said:

in eye to eye life, bb, if you spoke against those IS clowns, i would think they would enjoy fucking you up awhile, you know torture & murder because you protested their silly ass bullshit.

or

you grabbed a machine gun real fast & started laying down some lead, you know maybe toss a few gernades at their goofy asses.

does the local mosque speak out against these idiots? i would believe they do. they may want to consider using their money donations to supply weaponry to those fighting IS

Or maybe the powers that be can allow these governments who have IS running rampant in their countries to take care of their rat infestation of IS. Close the border in turkey for 3 days and watch what syrias army/air force can do with IS. But America won't allow that to happen. Now ask yourself why?

And yes Chadwick, I'm sure mosques around the ENTIRE world speak up AGAINST IS. You guys just don't hear about here because it doesn't fit the "agenda."

chadwick

thank you, bb

badbrains

chadwick said:

thank you, bb

Anytime my friend.

yosi

The focus on IS seems far too narrow to me. They're simply the nuttiest of the nutty. It does seem to me that the Muslim world (by which I mean those countries that are majority Muslim) suffers from widespread illiberalism, which in the most extreme cases manifests itself in groups like IS, but more routinely takes the form of repression of women, gays, and religious and ethnic minorities, brutal penal laws, a violent defensiveness around matters of faith (e.g., the cartoon incident, Rushdie), etc. Not every country is necessarily afflicted, and those that are, are not always afflicted in the same way. And I fully acknowledge that not all of this is due to the influence of Islamic ideas. Still, I don't think it's unfair to question how Islamic doctrines/teachings contribute to these maladies. And I also think that when viewed through this wider lens it becomes a bit more problematic to assert that the percentage of Muslims in the world that we're talking about is vanishingly small. When you start talking about how many Muslims subscribe to really troubling beliefs about how to treat women, gays, religion, etc., and do so explicitly based on what they understand to be the teachings of Islam, I think we're talking about a pretty significant percentage of the Muslim world.

badbrains

yosi said:

The focus on IS seems far too narrow to me. They're simply the nuttiest of the nutty. It does seem to me that the Muslim world (by which I mean those countries that are majority Muslim) suffers from widespread illiberalism, which in the most extreme cases manifests itself in groups like IS, but more routinely takes the form of repression of women, gays, and religious and ethnic minorities, brutal penal laws, a violent defensiveness around matters of faith (e.g., the cartoon incident, Rushdie), etc. Not every country is necessarily afflicted, and those that are, are not always afflicted in the same way. And I fully acknowledge that not all of this is due to the influence of Islamic ideas. Still, I don't think it's unfair to question how Islamic doctrines/teachings contribute to these maladies. And I also think that when viewed through this wider lens it becomes a bit more problematic to assert that the percentage of Muslims in the world that we're talking about is vanishingly small. When you start talking about how many Muslims subscribe to really troubling beliefs about how to treat women, gays, religion, etc., and do so explicitly based on what they understand to be the teachings of Islam, I think we're talking about a pretty significant percentage of the Muslim world.

Of course you do. Funny, you were MIA during your country's mass murder of Palestinians and now that byrnzie's gone and the fire has somewhat Deminshed with regards to Israel, you come on here and throw facts out the window and claim that we shouldn't look at the percentage as small even though polls show that it's THAT SMALL. Smh. Care to share what your teachings are? Oh wait, never mind, I think we already know. Unreal yosi, unreal.

Edit-thanks, we don't have enough islamophobia out there. Please, push more hate.

yosi

I think you're vastly overreacting to my comments. My point is simply that while the number of people in the world who support something like IS is almost certainly miniscule, a much larger group of people appear to subscribe to beliefs that I think many of us would agree are troubling, and they understand their reasons for doing so to be grounded in Islam. For example, what percentage of Muslims in the world do you think believe, based on their understanding of their faith, that homosexuality is a problem? I don't have a poll handy with the answer, but I'd be shocked if the percentage wasn't significant. Now, clearly what I'm talking about isn't a problem only with Islam, but anecdotally at least, it seems like religiously inspired illiberalism is particularly widespread and virulent in the Muslim world RIGHT NOW. I don't think it's islamophobic to criticize a religion for its teachings. Am I Catholophobic because I think that a lot of Church teachings are utter bullshit and contribute to real misery in the world?

badbrains

yosi said:

I think you're vastly overreacting to my comments. My point is simply that while the number of people in the world who support something like IS is almost certainly miniscule, a much larger group of people appear to subscribe to beliefs that I think many of us would agree are troubling, and they understand their reasons for doing so to be grounded in Islam. For example, what percentage of Muslims in the world do you think believe, based on their understanding of their faith, that homosexuality is a problem? I don't have a poll handy with the answer, but I'd be shocked if the percentage wasn't significant. Now, clearly what I'm talking about isn't a problem only with Islam, but anecdotally at least, it seems like religiously inspired illiberalism is particularly widespread and virulent in the Muslim world RIGHT NOW. I don't think it's islamophobic to criticize a religion for its teachings. Am I Catholophobic because I think that a lot of Church teachings are utter bullshit and contribute to real misery in the world?

I don't see Muslims everywhere killing people because they are gay. There mite be a big number of Muslims who are against homosexuality just like there are in the catholic religion, but they're not out there dropping bombs or launching artillery at them because they are gay. But your teachings seem to teach that you guys have a god given right to a land and to do whatever it takes to get said land. Hence you see what happened a couple months ago.

So since we're talking about faults in religions, what do you find WRONG with the teachings of YOUR religion? I'm curious to see this.