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unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
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This tactic is starting to be used by the anti-gun crowd, they see someone open carrying and their feelings get hurt so they call the cops to execute the law abiding person.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/26/1324793/-Video-Shows-John-Crawford-Was-Shot-on-Sight-By-Cops-With-No-Warning-Family-Attorneys-Say
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    It's clear who the real enemy is, the hurt feelings crowd.


    http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-supporters-hope-executions-open-carriers/

    See they don't want law abiding people to exercise their right so they'll call costumed government thugs to come and use guns on the innocent person because they hate guns. Makes total sense.

    These people are accomplices to murder. They are cowards.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    to me, open carrying with a big gun in a public place like a store or mall, or restaurant, even a protest like in ferguson where a big gun is not needed, is nothing more than overtly being an asshole. it is trying to intimidate people who do not have a gun on their person. that is all it is. open carry is nothing more than using the law to act like a dick.

    people who whine about their right to carry a gun make me laugh, it is so predictable now.

    sorry. that is just how i see it, and no amount of blog posts is going to change that.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    I realize I may be wading into hot water commenting on this. not being American and all, but I looked at those links and somehow I doubt that your Founding Fathers had anything like this in mind.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    Yeah the Wild West was so awesome...why did we ever get away from that?

    Oh that's right, some of us evolved beyond being scared shitless and having to have a weapon to make us feel tough.

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Walking around with your gun is about as ridiculous as it gets.

    Laws that support walking around with your gun are even more ridiculous.

    To the case presented, phoning 9-11 and making up a story that results in a guy getting shot inside of Wal-Mart is criminal... provided evidence like the video footage verifies this version.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Seeing someone carrying openly would not hurt my feelings at all. But it would give me good cause to be very wary. Think about the number of people walking around out there who really don't have their shit together, all there oars in that water, not playing with a full deck, etc, etc. Sure, there are some very responsible gun owners- I've copped to that- but if I see some dude or woman packing in the open, how the hell do I know they're not half way out the window already? No thanks!

    Yesterday, I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Why is it so much easier to get a gun than it is to get mental health." Damn good question!
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Some of you are sort of missing my point, open carry isn't the discussion. We already have threads in that. My topic was based around people that use police to 'punish'. They call in fake threats, they talk about murdering open carry people simply because they disagree with it.

    Do you guys believe that this is acceptable? Thirty has said it is not. I agree. This is the way of a coward at best, more likely the way of being complicent in murder.

    These people hate guns so much, but have no problem with calling people in to use guns under false pretenses in order to force their beliefs on others.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    If they are lying, no I do not think that is acceptable. There are irresponsible people on every side of every issue. But in a country where it is easier to obtain a gun that it is to get obtain mental health, what is the more crazy issue? Maybe it is the fact that guns are so prolific and so easy to obtain that has driven some people- otherwise honest people for all we know- to take desperate measures. Each case is different and I'm sure some of these fake calls are bogus as hell and that is wrong, but I'll bet you anything some of these people are just plain tired of the massive proliferation of guns and of seeing and hearing about innocent people being killed by guns. If the gun lobbyists were more open to making guns more difficult to obtain and gun owners were required to take much more training and registration were more strict and these freaky mass killing machine assault weapons were banned, things like this might not happen, desperate measures less apt to be taken.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Ugh.
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    30 also said that walking around with your gun is about as ridiculous as it gets.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The cops didn't exercise restraint and should be suspended upon investigation. But don't carry what appears to be an assault rifle in the pet section of a Walmart. That is just plain stupid.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    unsung said:

    Ugh.

    "Ugh?" That's it? C'mon, unsung- MORE GRIT! :))

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I just wanted to discuss the topic of swatting and how it's a tactic that the anti gun crowd is using. I didn't want this thread to turn into another "woe is me its too easy to get guns" or "open carry is for people who xxxxx" threads.

    Swat away.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    OK, but that is what I did address and all I got was "ugh".
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    edited October 2014
    It is a worthwhile discussion.

    In the country we live in, I do understand fear when encountering someone with a gun in a store. However, people need to think before calling police. Encountering someone with a gun in the middle of, say. Macy's is different than encountering the same in a Walmart where those guns are sold. If the 911 calls were truly embellished that is a shame those callers will have to live with. Is there any legal means to go after them?

    I also think the last paragraph of the article has relevance, too. You do have to wonder if that scenario would have played out differently had the victim been white.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited October 2014
    brianlux said:

    OK, but that is what I did address and all I got was "ugh".



    You went off topic in your third sentence with the mental health comparison.


    Some of these anti-gun crowd are so radical that they encourage murder of a person that isn't breaking a law, who is minding their own business. Read the comments by these extremists, one stated that if he saw someone open carrying that he would shoot the person because that person was a threat.

    Wait so it's ok to murder someone because you don't like what they are doing, or in your mind they don't NEED to open carry?

    Or we call the cops on these law abiding citizens and create a story so that the cops will execute them?

    THAT is what the anti side uses for tactics, MURDER. Simply for the only reason of having hurt feelings.


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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    I just wanted to discuss the topic of swatting and how it's a tactic that the anti gun crowd is using. I didn't want this thread to turn into another "woe is me its too easy to get guns" or "open carry is for people who xxxxx" threads.

    Swat away.

    How can you say, with complete accuracy, that this is a tactic of the anti-gun crowd?

    With the level of paranoia on display throughout these boards (bad men, impending government takeover, etc.)... how do you know this wasn't a call made by some gun kook that had forgotten their gun at home to take care of business themselves?

    It seems to me, based on the mentality I have come to understand, is that the people most inclined to fear the worst are the pro-gun crowd. So, your assertion that the anti-gun crowd has joined the list of potential threats to be prepared for is obviously unfounded, further divisive, and slightly cuckoo.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    As someone with a CCP,No I think This swatting is cowardly and just plain shitty.A dick move.That being said other then a military,law enforcement and a Hunter why the fuck would you walk around with a shot gun,Long Rifle or AR-15 in public.You are asking for trouble and you deserve to be at least questioned about your motives.I could also see just regular citizens not just the anti gun folks being concerned and calling it in.If I go to Target and some guy is standing outside with a clearly displayed weapon I would think that is sketchy and I might call it in.Shit there is a reason it's called a "concealed" carry Permit.
    Sounds like although it may be a right,it's a public safety concern and that must trump the individuals skewed version of their rights.
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    edited October 2014
    Just because you can do something (meaning you have the "right" to), doesn't make it a great idea to actually do that thing in a WalMart or at a Popeye's Chicken, or at the movies, or at a kids soccer game. Understandably, it freaks people the fuck out. An irresponsible person could hurt someone with that thing.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    unsung said:

    brianlux said:

    OK, but that is what I did address and all I got was "ugh".



    You went off topic in your third sentence with the mental health comparison.


    Some of these anti-gun crowd are so radical that they encourage murder of a person that isn't breaking a law, who is minding their own business. Read the comments by these extremists, one stated that if he saw someone open carrying that he would shoot the person because that person was a threat.

    Wait so it's ok to murder someone because you don't like what they are doing, or in your mind they don't NEED to open carry?

    Or we call the cops on these law abiding citizens and create a story so that the cops will execute them?

    THAT is what the anti side uses for tactics, MURDER. Simply for the only reason of having hurt feelings.


    OK- I'll keep it simple. No, I don't think setting up someone is right- certainly not if it leads to someone being killed. But carrying a gun openly in public is just plain stupid and sometimes stupid people die. Doesn't mean SWATting is a good idea or getting someone killed is good- no, of course not. But openly carrying a gun is a stupid move and stupidity does sometimes lead to death.

    Also I would caution labeling a whole group of people bases on the actions of a few extremest. That's like saying all pro animal rights activists burn down buildings. Not so.

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  • Stickman12Stickman12 Posts: 504
    I am very pro gun but have to say that Im not a fan of open carry. I think that it draws too much unnecessary attention to yourself. If you do it just to exercise your right to open carry, more times than not it gives off a negative vibe more than a positive one. If you are in a environment where open carry is more known and accepted, i say go for it, but to do it out in public for no other reason than to exercise your right, I believe is more harmful than helpful. Especially when you have the option to conceal carry which serves the purpose of carrying more effective than open carry.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    ejleonjr said:

    I am very pro gun but have to say that Im not a fan of open carry. I think that it draws too much unnecessary attention to yourself. If you do it just to exercise your right to open carry, more times than not it gives off a negative vibe more than a positive one. If you are in a environment where open carry is more known and accepted, i say go for it, but to do it out in public for no other reason than to exercise your right, I believe is more harmful than helpful. Especially when you have the option to conceal carry which serves the purpose of carrying more effective than open carry.

    I certainly would not describe myself as "pro-gun" but this is sensible and well said.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:

    Also I would caution labeling a whole group of people bases on the actions of a few extremest. That's like saying all pro animal rights activists burn down buildings. Not so.

    Yup, I abide by this philosophy no matter the issue.

    As to the OP, I liken it to the assholes who call in fake 911's in order to take down the responders.

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I don't consider this swatting. Swatting is calling in a complete false emergency and using technology to create a false phone ID in hope of a SWAT team busting into someone’s house when they are watching kitten videos on Youtube or picking their nose.

    I think it is more than reasonable to think that at least someone is going to call the cops if someone is walking around with an (what looks like) assault rifle in a Walmart or most any other public setting.

    As for it being a right in the state of Ohio, once again common sense must be exercised. It's my right to go to Englewood in Chicago and go up to a bunch of gangbangers and call them a bunch of fuck faces, but I would not be exercising common sense.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    of course its not ok to call 911 and lie to the police about something bad happening.

    but to be honest, if i saw a person in a store with a gun or what looked like a gun my first reaction would be to call the police.
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    in short, no, its not okay and extremely unfair to everyone. Cops, other citizens, guy with gun, the "anti gun crowd", etc...
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    Okay, I just read the article. It isnt "swatting" and the details seem very vague.
  • vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,116
    unsung said:

    Some of you are sort of missing my point, open carry isn't the discussion. We already have threads in that. My topic was based around people that use police to 'punish'. They call in fake threats, they talk about murdering open carry people simply because they disagree with it.

    Do you guys believe that this is acceptable? Thirty has said it is not. I agree. This is the way of a coward at best, more likely the way of being complicent in murder.

    These people hate guns so much, but have no problem with calling people in to use guns under false pretenses in order to force their beliefs on others.

    I will concede that there are a LOT of people who use the law to get at one another. An example would be a partner in a relationship who calls the cops, saying they were assaulted, just to get that other person arrested.

    But...I think its a HUGE stretch to believe that people are calling the police on others with a weapon just because they don't like guns...at least on a regular or frequent basis. This is America; crazy shit happens all the time. People calling the cops on someone with a gun on the hopes that the cops will then come shoot that person with a gun? IF it occurs at all, I'd say it's rare, at best.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    unsung said:

    It's clear who the real enemy is, the hurt feelings crowd.


    http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-supporters-hope-executions-open-carriers/

    See they don't want law abiding people to exercise their right so they'll call costumed government thugs to come and use guns on the innocent person because they hate guns. Makes total sense.

    These people are accomplices to murder. They are cowards.

    Accomplices to murder? That is a HUGE stretch.
    You make it sound like this is happening all the time, all over the place. If in fact people were calling the police on someone openly displaying a large firearm, I would assume it was because it looks pretty damned out of place. So tell me, how often are anti gun people actually coming across someone with open carry, and calling the police hoping that the person is executed? Does this not sounds utterly ridiculous?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    whoa if people are really doing that calling the cops and lying about what the so called person with gun/rifle or what have you is doing with it is fucked , i'm glad i don't live in a state with open carry law in effect , can we just set up one state where all the gun nuts can just go and have at it with each other j/k folks ....
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