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Be careful out there...

http://benswann.com/tn-cops-to-draw-blood-at-labor-day-weekend-no-refusal-dui-checkpoints/
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i still say that this should be unconstitutional. the stops themselves, and then making someone submit to a medical procedure, the drawing of blood, and with the right of refusal violates unreasonable search and seizure. at least to me it does.

    from the article:

    "Civil liberties advocates often question whether police checkpoints, which force motorists to submit to a criminal investigation on the basis of their geographic location rather than probable cause, violate the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. Also, police positioned at checkpoints do not have an opportunity to see how a suspect has been driving and instead must rely on less-precise indicators like red eyes or fatigued behavior, which might also suggest that the suspect is coming home from a long work shift and not intoxicated at all. As more officers are placed at checkpoints, fewer can subsequently be assigned to patrols upon which they could watch for impaired motorists in the act of driving dangerously."
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    There've been times driving home from a long workday, where if I were pulled over FOR CAUSE, the officer looking at my face, eyes, might have some questions (though NOT based on my driving or demeanor).

    And that's fine. Do your job, totally with you.

    But to be forced to submit to having my blood drawn?

    Fuck that.

    I have no problem with the checkpoints, especially during those periods where DUIs are more likely to happen. But from there, go on behavior, smell of alcohol, if there's slurred speech, etc. Common sense!
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I'm on the side of law enforcement, but this is crossing the line.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    Fuck that i guess they would have to call a certified nurse or tech to draw it from you there is no way i would let a cop stick a needle in my arm ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    edited August 2014
    edit!
    Post edited by Idris on
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    So in Tennessee, you can't refuse a breathalyzer test? I'm pretty sure that's not legal. Don't you have the right to refuse? And Jose, your exactly right. There's not a snowballs chance in hell that I would let a HP draw blood from me. They aren't even trained to do that. That is also illegal. They would have to have at minimum a paramedic to administer that. Everything about that seems wrong. Be safe this weekend. Let's all start by not drinking and driving.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Isnt it our right to turn away and not stop?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    rr165892 said:

    Isnt it our right to turn away and not stop?

    I bet if you did they would def come after you and assume you were drunk , I've seen it happen here in the City ...
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    each officer in the military style marching photo should feel like a nazi because that is exactly who they are trying to be like, fuckers!

    i hope & i pray not one single car drives through their fucked up little check point but if a car does i hope it is the governor & he (married) & his mistress are fucking bombed off their asses.

    very drunk, both of them.
    prescription medications, no prescriptions.
    he has a sandwich bag with 19 viagra inside bag.
    whose vintage syringe in the backseat?
    & now finally for some audience participation - she is still actually wearing a strap on, true or false?

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    chadwick said:

    each officer in the military style marching photo should feel like a nazi because that is exactly who they are trying to be like, fuckers!

    i hope & i pray not one single car drives through their fucked up little check point but if a car does i hope it is the governor & he (married) & his mistress are fucking bombed off their asses.

    very drunk, both of them.
    prescription medications, no prescriptions.
    he has a sandwich bag with 19 viagra inside bag.
    whose vintage syringe in the backseat?
    & now finally for some audience participation - she is still actually wearing a strap on, true or false?

    tennesse highway patrol
    what to do lovin it what to do lovin it


    Nothing would happen.

    Our province's premier was sloshed and had a DUI while partying down in Hawaii. He cried (literally... I'm being serious) and asked for forgiveness. He didn't need it though because he was intent on carrying on with his business whether he received forgiveness or not.

    The average joe's life is turned upside down with a DUI, yet the elite go unscathed. It stinks and I don't like it.

    His 'business' was taking the first steps towards eliminating the middle class and promoting capitalism unchecked: sticking it to health care and education, while tossing out generous tax breaks for multinational companies intent on raping our province of it's vast source of natural resources.

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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    can a canadian with a dui under his/her belt venture across the canadian/usa border with no problems? a us citizen can not go into canada with a dui on their record (this includes simple marijuana possession) although i have heard of the canadian government wiping the slate clean of the american's for a nice little fee plus a waiting game

    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    edited August 2014
    Nobody's going to draw [edit] blood from me those [edit]! What a bunch of [edit] [edit] [edit] wipe [edit]!
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    from what i understand cops will shoot to get blood for the labs to test
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    This is so wrong in SO MANY ways. Wtf is happening to our country? Wow, this shits really happening....
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    so at this point, the government has take the 4th amendment, torn it out of the constitution, took a shit on it and set it on fire
    No-Refusal DUI Enforcement

    As more state and local law enforcement officials enact "no-refusal" DUI enforcement policies, it has become increasingly important for motorists to understand how the law deals with those who refuse blood alcohol tests.

    Motorists suspected of drunk driving typically are asked to submit to a breathalyzer test to determine blood-alcohol concentration (BAC). A positive test result (0.08 percent or higher) triggers DUI charges, while refusal to take the test typically results in an automatic driver's license suspension.

    The Rise of No-Refusal Policies
    This problem theoretically could be overcome by obtaining a search warrant for the DUI suspect's breath or blood, which presents some logistical hurdles. Before advances in technology, paper warrants had to be brought to the judge's home or office; the process often would take hours. Meanwhile, the DUI suspect would sober up at a rate of about 0.01 percent (BAC) per hour.

    All states have "implied consent" laws in place, which punish the refusal to take a blood alcohol test, however many states have found these laws insufficient to deter drunk driving. A 2003 NHTSA study found that implied consent laws fail to significantly reduce blood alcohol test refusals. The study also concluded that suspects who avoid testing often avoid serious DUI penalties.

    By the time the officer obtained a warrant and secured a blood draw by a licensed health care professional, the suspect might already be sober or at least under the 0.08 percent BAC threshold.

    Now, officers in many jurisdictions are able to contact on-call judges remotely and have an electronic warrant (PDF, NHTSA) sent directly to their smart phones or computers, solving the time delay issues. These are called no-refusal policies because refusal of a court-ordered BAC test (via warrant) can lead to more serious contempt charges.

    You can still refuse a BAC test when no-refusal policies are in effect but you can't legally refuse a search warrant for a BAC test. Texas police are even authorized to use force to obtain a blood sample with a warrant. So technically you are free to refuse; but refusal is becoming a much less attractive option for suspected drunk drivers.

    Currently, at least 30 states have the legal authority in place to conduct no-refusal initiatives, though not all of these states are actively putting them into practice, and many places use no-refusal policies during selective time periods. State and local jurisdictions often have high-profile no-refusal weekends during holidays and other periods of high alcohol consumption in order to deter drunk drivers in the first place.

    Criticism of No-Refusal Initiatives
    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is one of the most vocal critics of no-refusal policies, claiming they violate drivers' rights against unreasonable search and seizure. The ACLU also claims no-refusal initiatives raise questions regarding medical privacy, specifically whether any additional data gathered from a blood draw is being used.

    The policies also have been challenged in the courts but so far none have prevailed. Ask a DUI attorney in your state to find out more about DUI enforcement policies in your neighborhood.
    http://dui.findlaw.com/dui-arrests/no-refusal-dui-enforcement.html
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    I'm guessing Tennessee's tourist agency is shitting bricks. Either that or they're all for seceding from the union.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,286
    edited August 2014
    I don't have an issue with this. Simply submit to the non invasive breathalizer and be on your way.

    It certainly isn't "unreasonable" to blow into a tube in the effort to make our roads safer
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Have same in Texas.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    inherent with these programs is a listing of exact locations/times PRIOR to the blitz. know where they are and avoid these routes if you are going to put you and everyone else in harms way by drinking and driving. pretty fucking simple.

    unless you want to be a test case on the unconstitutionality of this. THEN put up a fight. resist so more charges can be filed.


    OR use a Designated Driver or dont drink and drive in the first place.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    Haha.

    As a boy, I had a serious crush on Lange after watching her in King Kong.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    only suspected drunk drivers.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    only suspected drunk drivers.
    Yeah, same here. Suspected? Sure- give the breathalyzer. Everybody forced to take it? Why? Force people to have blood drawn on the street? That's what thugs do.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    only suspected drunk drivers.
    I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

    I feel like I misread something.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    hedonist said:

    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    only suspected drunk drivers.
    I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

    I feel like I misread something.

    All who go that route will go through the checkpoint,
    ONLY those suspected of drunk driving will be given the breathalyzer. Those who refuse the breathalyzer are then subject to the warrant by phone for blood draw.
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    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    only suspected drunk drivers.
    I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

    I feel like I misread something.

    All who go that route will go through the checkpoint,
    ONLY those suspected of drunk driving will be given the breathalyzer. Those who refuse the breathalyzer are then subject to the warrant by phone for blood draw.
    On second thought, I'm not so opposed. I misunderstood the process. I should have read more carefully.

    Everybody outside of people who like to drive drunk wishes for safer roads without drunkards. If we simply wait for accidents to happen, we aren't exactly being proactive.

    It seems pretty simple. If you pull up to a checkpoint then take the breathalyzer. It's a small inconvenience to support efforts made to curb drunk driving. If someone doesn't wish to, then it's likely they've got something to hide and to me, that warrants a blood sample.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    mickeyrat said:

    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    hedonist said:

    Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

    Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

    The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

    A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.
    Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

    Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).
    only suspected drunk drivers.
    I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

    I feel like I misread something.

    All who go that route will go through the checkpoint,
    ONLY those suspected of drunk driving will be given the breathalyzer. Those who refuse the breathalyzer are then subject to the warrant by phone for blood draw.
    Ah, thank you! This makes sense, and as Thirty said, supportable.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    along with the sobriety checkpoint the article stated they would be doing other visual checks too. Seat belt etc.

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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