Anyone in Tennessee?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

Haha.

As a boy, I had a serious crush on Lange after watching her in King Kong.

mickeyrat

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

only suspected drunk drivers.

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

only suspected drunk drivers.

Yeah, same here. Suspected? Sure- give the breathalyzer. Everybody forced to take it? Why? Force people to have blood drawn on the street? That's what thugs do.

hedonist

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

only suspected drunk drivers.

I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

I feel like I misread something.

mickeyrat

hedonist said:

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

only suspected drunk drivers.

I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

I feel like I misread something.

All who go that route will go through the checkpoint,
ONLY those suspected of drunk driving will be given the breathalyzer. Those who refuse the breathalyzer are then subject to the warrant by phone for blood draw.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

only suspected drunk drivers.

I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

I feel like I misread something.

All who go that route will go through the checkpoint,
ONLY those suspected of drunk driving will be given the breathalyzer. Those who refuse the breathalyzer are then subject to the warrant by phone for blood draw.

On second thought, I'm not so opposed. I misunderstood the process. I should have read more carefully.

Everybody outside of people who like to drive drunk wishes for safer roads without drunkards. If we simply wait for accidents to happen, we aren't exactly being proactive.

It seems pretty simple. If you pull up to a checkpoint then take the breathalyzer. It's a small inconvenience to support efforts made to curb drunk driving. If someone doesn't wish to, then it's likely they've got something to hide and to me, that warrants a blood sample.

hedonist

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

mickeyrat said:

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Forced blood extractions take place off-site at a police precinct, making the process time consuming for individuals who might be innocent. Additionally, for those who refuse to comply, extraction locations are equipped with tools to strap down suspects and masks to cover their faces.

Is this for real or just hand-wringing? It reminds me of something out of "Frances".

The Jessica Lange movie about Frances Farmer?

A very disturbing movie. Love Nirvana's 'tribute' to Frances Farmer.

Yup, that film. Saddening too (though gawd! I've had a long-standing crush on Lange)

Gern, I have no problem with checkpoints or having tests done for cause. But to have everyone who passes through subjected to it? Nope, not right at all (and wastes time and other resources).

only suspected drunk drivers.

I get being pulled over for suspected DUI. Are the checkpoints like that as well? Drive through and if all seems fine, sent on your way. Or does everyone going through the checkpoint have to be tested?

I feel like I misread something.

All who go that route will go through the checkpoint,
ONLY those suspected of drunk driving will be given the breathalyzer. Those who refuse the breathalyzer are then subject to the warrant by phone for blood draw.

Ah, thank you! This makes sense, and as Thirty said, supportable.

mickeyrat

along with the sobriety checkpoint the article stated they would be doing other visual checks too. Seat belt etc.

unsung

So stopping people based on what? There's no cause to automatically stop people for this. It reminds me of stop and frisk. Show me your papers!

lukin2006

chadwick said:

can a canadian with a dui under his/her belt venture across the canadian/usa border with no problems? a us citizen can not go into canada with a dui on their record (this includes simple marijuana possession) although i have heard of the canadian government wiping the slate clean of the american's for a nice little fee plus a waiting game

chadwick said:

can a canadian with a dui under his/her belt venture across the canadian/usa border with no problems? a us citizen can not go into canada with a dui on their record (this includes simple marijuana possession) although i have heard of the canadian government wiping the slate clean of the american's for a nice little fee plus a waiting game

If your a Canadian and have ever been arrested it can be problematic crossing the border into the USA ... now mind you they can deny us entry at any time for any reason.

callen

This violates my rights on so many fronts. Self incrimination. Control of my body. Unreasonable search. Agree good to get drunks off the road but this is not how to do it. Don't give the government this power. Not good. What's next. Mandatory blood draws for people with PJ stickers to check presence of the THC? All subjective.

chadwick

can we the people demand certain tests like this of our senators, governors & other political folks?
bam we want you to breathe in the tube, pee in the cup & have blood drawn. these tests will be done monthly & at random - it could be 3am on a sunday & it's time

this is what i want out of them beings they wanna play

mickeyrat

as of now the courts have deemed this legal and within consitutional limits. they are giving breathalyzer to those suspected of drunk driving, you refuse they are on the phone with a judge standing by to sign a warrant which is then transmitted electronically. so the suspect can read the warrant. taken off site so a medical professional or one trained in proper procedure for blood draws can take the sample.

The people of the state of tennessee have voted these people in who enacted this no refusal law. if they dont want it , they can vote in those that would repeal it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

To me, it's on the interest of public safety and law enforcement. It's no different than something like airport security.

You can get pissy and call it a violation of your rights if you wish, but the intent of it is to make the roads safer for everyone. MADD is probably thrilled for the measure.

It's an inconvenience, not anything at all to set your hair on fire over.

chadwick

if ppl just stayed where they are & didn't drive or got a ride to where they had to go, there would be no need for such road block check points

if only ppl thought this through, citizens could shut this fucking shit down as there would be no need

mickeyrat

A few bad apples.........

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

To me, it's on the interest of public safety and law enforcement. It's no different than something like airport security.

You can get pissy and call it a violation of your rights if you wish, but the intent of it is to make the roads safer for everyone. MADD is probably thrilled for the measure.

It's an inconvenience, not anything at all to set your hair on fire over.

That whole giving up liberty for security speech again. I'll pass, thanks.

hedonist

chadwick said:

if ppl just stayed where they are & didn't drive or got a ride to where they had to go, there would be no need for such road block check points

if only ppl thought this through, citizens could shut this fucking shit down as there would be no need

I tell ya, man...these holiday weekends (and New Year's Eve especially), we just hang out at home or in the general area. Not that we're driving around fucked up, but others are - or at least tipsy and texting or otherwise wrapped in their bubble. Not worth it.

unsung, it doesn't sound like these are arbitrary testings based on the whim of an officer. If there are valid displays of someone driving who shouldn't be, hell yeah I want them off the road.

Almost every weekend here on the morning news are scenes of mangled cars and lives lost, because some idiot thought it would be a great idea to get wasted, get in the car, and hope he doesn't go 80 mph on the freeway, the wrong way.