undercover dickhead drug cop gets kid with autism to sell him marijuana

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

chadwick said:

one of the undercover drug cops is reported to have commented on a 15 year old girl's butt, "damn, look at the ass on that one"

Willing to bet some of their teachers have said the same.

Do those officers have nothing more important to pursue than this?

Shameful.

Willing to bet men from every profession imaginable have said the same.

these guys are conartists pretending to be high schoolers. that goes a little deeper into the gutter than men from every profession imaginable

& it is no excuse. as a matter of fact they are suppose to be undercover drug task force cops protecting society like professionals????!!!!!!. why comment on some young teenage girls butt? that guy should be having his ass in trouble

There's no excuse for making such a comment and I wasn't defending the comment- it was a poor one to make... no question.

I took exception to the cheap shot Hedonist fired at teachers when she said she'd bet teachers were making the same comments. It wasn't necessary. It implies male teachers are leering perverts and shows serious disrespect.

Whoa, whoa, Thirty! It wasn't intended as a shot at all and as you said, could apply to any profession. I mentioned teachers due to the environment in which this occurred. Inappropriate either way.

chadwick

thank you, thirty. this topic has me irritated. be well, sir

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

chadwick said:

one of the undercover drug cops is reported to have commented on a 15 year old girl's butt, "damn, look at the ass on that one"

Willing to bet some of their teachers have said the same.

Do those officers have nothing more important to pursue than this?

Shameful.

Willing to bet men from every profession imaginable have said the same.

these guys are conartists pretending to be high schoolers. that goes a little deeper into the gutter than men from every profession imaginable

& it is no excuse. as a matter of fact they are suppose to be undercover drug task force cops protecting society like professionals????!!!!!!. why comment on some young teenage girls butt? that guy should be having his ass in trouble

There's no excuse for making such a comment and I wasn't defending the comment- it was a poor one to make... no question.

I took exception to the cheap shot Hedonist fired at teachers when she said she'd bet teachers were making the same comments. It wasn't necessary. It implies male teachers are leering perverts and shows serious disrespect.

Whoa, whoa, Thirty! It wasn't intended as a shot at all and as you said, could apply to any profession. I mentioned teachers due to the environment in which this occurred. Inappropriate either way.

You've been hypercritical of teachers beforehand, Hedonist. When I read your post, it just seemed like you seized the moment to 'pile on'.

I accept your explanation and translation. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

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chadwick said:

thank you, thirty. this topic has me irritated. be well, sir

Stay well yourself, Chadwick.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

You've been hypercritical of teachers beforehand, Hedonist. When I read your post, it just seemed like you seized the moment to 'pile on'.

I accept your explanation and translation. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

I'm critical of shitty teachers, as well as the ones who molest their students (there's been a spate of them around here lately).

All's good!

Drowned Out

Well I guess all the students in that school will be scared straight for life! These deterrents are invaluable in the war against drugs.

rollings

Drowned Out said:

Well I guess all the students in that school will be scared straight for life! These deterrents are invaluable in the war against drugs.

you betcha

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

chadwick said:

one of the undercover drug cops is reported to have commented on a 15 year old girl's butt, "damn, look at the ass on that one"

Willing to bet some of their teachers have said the same.

Do those officers have nothing more important to pursue than this?

Shameful.

Willing to bet men from every profession imaginable have said the same.

these guys are conartists pretending to be high schoolers. that goes a little deeper into the gutter than men from every profession imaginable

a5pj

So all the bad stuff aside... isn't it a good thing that they are doing "something' to get drugs out of schools? I mean if an student with autism can get weed, it's gotta be everywhere...

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a5pj said:

So all the bad stuff aside... isn't it a good thing that they are doing "something' to get drugs out of schools? I mean if an student with autism can get weed, it's gotta be everywhere...

People are never satisfied. Teachers and law enforcement are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

For example, when kids are bullied... people light their hair on fire and say, "Where the fuck are the authorities and why aren't they doing anything?" When authorities take steps to curb bullying- say, by seizing a phone with inappropriate pictures on it... people light their hair on fire and say, "Where do the authorities think they can trample on students' rights like they just did?"

Drugs have no place in schools. I know they are there, but let's get serious... at a minimum... drug activities interfere with learning and erode a positive learning environment. If we value education at all, we must agree that drugs do not belong in the schools.

I'm not saying this incident is a shining beacon of success for curbing drug usage in our schools, but it was an effort nonetheless. Many autistic kids do not display characteristics you would compare to the Rain Man. This kid could very easily come across as 'odd' versus full on 'out there'. I don't think the undercover narc would have had access to any students' confidential and personal records to know exactly who he was dealing with. I also think the narc had many rods in the fire- it's highly unlikely they based the premise of their entire sting operation on one kid and ceased it- calling it a success- after a half a joint for $30.

Drowned Out

a5pj said:

So all the bad stuff aside... isn't it a good thing that they are doing "something' to get drugs out of schools? I mean if an student with autism can get weed, it's gotta be everywhere...

How does this help get drugs out of schools? It has the potential to ruin the lives of the kids arrested, and will make absolutely no difference to the amount of drugs available at the school. Doing something for the sake of doing something means nothing. Confiscate the drugs and put them thru an educational course about the dangers of that evil weed, if we really feel it necessary to intervene.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Drowned Out said:

a5pj said:

So all the bad stuff aside... isn't it a good thing that they are doing "something' to get drugs out of schools? I mean if an student with autism can get weed, it's gotta be everywhere...

How does this help get drugs out of schools? It has the potential to ruin the lives of the kids arrested, and will make absolutely no difference to the amount of drugs available at the school. Doing something for the sake of doing something means nothing. Confiscate the drugs and put them thru an educational course about the dangers of that evil weed, if we really feel it necessary to intervene.

It's highly doubtful the kid will receive anything other than what you already describe.

Kids busted for dope in our area are suspended for a few days, made to go to counselling, and do not have lifelong records that will ruin their lives.

The schools cannot turn a blind eye to drug activities within it. There has to be an element of authority over drug usage and their has to be consequences as well- an active and aware presence that essentially places limits on usage.

Whether right or wrong, the system is very lenient for kids and their dope smoking.

chadwick

i don't believe you watched & listened carefully to the video

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick said:

i don't believe you watched & listened carefully to the video

I'm assuming you are talking to me.

You'd be right. I read the links that (I think?) Unsung offered.

Can you tell me what I missed?

chadwick

expulsion... of the 22 kids arrested only jesse was not kicked out of that school (school district?)
student loan... none of the kids will ever get a student loan
public housing... if low income parents need a lower priced place to rent they are shit out of luck
future jobs... shit out of luck (not all jobs will turn them away)
harder to get into colleges... you little fucking doper

some things these folks have stated

jeffbr

Earlier this year Rolling Stone did a good expose on this. It is clear to me that Jesse was screwed. The deputy DA wanted him to spend a month in jail waiting for his trial. The school district expelled him. All because he had reluctantly participated in this sting thinking he finally had a friend - and he wanted to help his new friend. It is a disgusting use of police. Slapping an autistic kid with 2 felony charges, the arrest, the jail, the expulsion, the regression of his mental illness. All for a tiny amount of weed. All to make the asshole DAs, cops and school admins feel like they were doing something. As Drown Out said above: "Doing something for the sake of doing something means nothing." It certainly means nothing in the war on drugs. It unfortunately means a lot of devastation to a young kid with a mental illness.

Here's a link to the article. It is a maddening, but well done piece: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-entrapment-of-jesse-snodgrass-20140226

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick said:

expulsion... of the 22 kids arrested only jesse was not kicked out of that school (school district?)
student loan... none of the kids will ever get a student loan
public housing... if low income parents need a lower priced place to rent they are shit out of luck
future jobs... shit out of luck (not all jobs will turn them away)
harder to get into colleges... you little fucking doper

some things these folks have stated

This can't be right?

Minor suspension... fair enough. As for the rest... wtf?

If this is accurate... then it is heavy handed to say the least. Rapists get off easier for gawds sakes.

Trust me when I say this is not what happens where I live.

chadwick

"jesse was taught how to buy & sell dope... (by the scumbag task force of riverside county sheriff department)
...jesse had to leave the campus to score some dope, he couldn't find it at the campus, that tells you right there there is no reason for them to be on that campus" - los angels police department deputy chief stephen m. downing (first hand experience in narcotic enforcement since president nixon announced war on drugs)

Drowned Out

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Drowned Out said:

a5pj said:

So all the bad stuff aside... isn't it a good thing that they are doing "something' to get drugs out of schools? I mean if an student with autism can get weed, it's gotta be everywhere...

How does this help get drugs out of schools? It has the potential to ruin the lives of the kids arrested, and will make absolutely no difference to the amount of drugs available at the school. Doing something for the sake of doing something means nothing. Confiscate the drugs and put them thru an educational course about the dangers of that evil weed, if we really feel it necessary to intervene.

It's highly doubtful the kid will receive anything other than what you already describe.

Kids busted for dope in our area are suspended for a few days, made to go to counselling, and do not have lifelong records that will ruin their lives.

The schools cannot turn a blind eye to drug activities within it. There has to be an element of authority over drug usage and their has to be consequences as well- an active and aware presence that essentially places limits on usage.

Whether right or wrong, the system is very lenient for kids and their dope smoking.

I was talking about the story in the OP, not your district. If this does/did end up with a slap on the wrist, it's because of public outrage at the story - not because that's the normal way minor drug busts are handled in schools in most parts of the US. If these kids are found guilty of a federal offense, their lives will be altered, if not ruined, by the record. They lose their ability to travel, they will have trouble finding employment, they will be denied loans for education, and their families will be denied any kind of public assistance they may need. This is how the downward spiral into a life of crime starts – by limiting opportunity for those caught with drugs….not with their use. The autistic kid was the only one not expelled over the busts (again, likely because of public perception). If you don’t know the consequences to this ‘element of authority’, then you are downplaying this out of ignorance to the laws.
Why does there have to be an element of authority and consequence? For deterrence? Or do you honestly think these busts make a difference to anyone but the kids busted?

chadwick

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

expulsion... of the 22 kids arrested only jesse was not kicked out of that school (school district?)
student loan... none of the kids will ever get a student loan
public housing... if low income parents need a lower priced place to rent they are shit out of luck
future jobs... shit out of luck (not all jobs will turn them away)
harder to get into colleges... you little fucking doper

some things these folks have stated

This can't be right?

Minor suspension... fair enough. As for the rest... wtf?

If this is accurate... then it is heavy handed to say the least. Rapists get off easier for gawds sakes.

Trust me when I say this is not what happens where I live.

you are canadian, canada is good!
this is a nazi stormtroopers operation down here in the states

by the way, the school system allowed the sheriff department to review/look over each student's file. this is how the drug task force targeted special needs students.... FACT