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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    nicknyr15 said:
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    Nice to know that some are comfortable with summary executions by the police, regardless of where it happens. And the status quo.

    Perhaps the most depressing aspect of the death this week of the French teenager Nahel M in Nanterre is its familiarity. A man or boy of north African descent dies after contact with the police. A misleading or downright false account from officers casts blame on the victim. Outrage sparks protests and violence.

    The unrest that has swept French cities speaks not to the shock of those involved, but their anger and despair that this is still happening. Not only police stations but schools, cars, tramways and town halls were attacked or torched in cities including Lille, Dijon, Lyon and Toulouse as well as the Paris suburbs. On Thursday, after Emmanuel Macron held a crisis cabinet meeting, 40,000 officers were deployed across the country.

    Yet the contrast with 2005 – when the electrocution of two teenagers as they hid from police led to three weeks of riots – is also striking. The then interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, made remarks suggesting that the victims were thieves and ratcheted up tensions. This time, President Macron called the incident“inexplicable and inexcusable”. The officer responsible is under formal investigation for manslaughter. The most obvious difference is that these events were caught on phone camera and posted on social media – disproving the claim that the 17-year-old drove straight at police. Two officers are seen beside the stationary vehicle, one pointing a gun at the driver. The words: “You are going to get a bullet in the head,” are heard. The officer then appears to fire as the car drives forward.

    For those in the banlieues, the footage is not a revelation but a confirmation. The anger is cumulative. They think not only of Nahel M but of Adama Traoré, who suffocated in police custody in 2016, or of Jean-Paul Benjamin, a father-of-two shot dead last year. Such cases are particularly potent because French law does not allow the collection of data on ethnicity, which would expose discrimination in other ways. As in other countries, the Black Lives Matter movement galvanised activism. People have spoken out at increasing volume. Yet they have not been heard.

    There are particular concerns about legal changes six years ago, which critics warned broadened the standards for police use of firearms. A record 13 people died after not complying with a traffic stop in 2022. But the broader issue is aggressive policing techniques once used to control subject populations in colonies such as Algeria, and imported back to the homeland. They are evident in the handling of broader civil unrest, such as protests over pensions or by the gilets jaunes. But they are particularly toxic, and more often lethal, in the context of institutional racism, racial profiling and personal bigotry.

    Economic grievances that were key to previous unrest appear less of a factor here than the rage at being ignored, excluded and discriminated against. Kylian Mbappé, the multimillionaire French football star who grew up in the French suburbs, tweeted: “I am hurting for my France.” The anger extends beyond police to other state institutions.

    Many in the banlieues are afraid both for the safety of their children at the hands of police, and of the unrest. They are also concerned about how Marine Le Pen and the far right in general may exploit events. What they know is that things must change – and that it should not require another death, smartphone footage or mass unrest, to make it happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/29/the-guardian-view-on-unrest-in-france-the-language-of-the-unheard

    Literally NO ONE said they were ok with what happened so stop with that bullshit. Are you ok with the mayhem that followed? Do you think that will help going forward?
    What do you think the victims, at least the surviving victims' friends and families, should do when the "bullshit" never stops? Work through the legal system that offers no relief? What will it take to keep the fucking cops from executing people, playing judge, jury and executioner? In the absence of reforms that result in people not being killed on the streets by the police, yea, I'm okay with it. There are times when the "bullshit" is so forced fed that you can't swallow or breathe, and, unfortunately, the only way to get attention is to break shit. Maybe, just maybe, they've got the French political system's attention and they'll make some required changes. I'm guessing you can't relate? Just "another police shooting", eh?
    No point in going any further here. Especially with your guessing I can’t relate comment. In your mind it’s one or the other. Both can’t be wrong. I’m sure free Nikes and Chanel bags are the answer to police reform in France. Love to see how you’d feel if your business was destroyed. Enjoy your 4th. 
    Nike and Chanel will be fine. Meanwhile, the kid is DEAD and his family and friends are missing somebody. Enjoy your 4th but don’t eat too many hotdogs.
    You missed the point. Has nothing to do with money. You think the footage coming out of France helps the cause? You think it gets people on board? You think it makes police officers think differently? You think it even makes people want to become police officers at all? (Like them or not, we need police) eventually it becomes all about the rioting and less and less about the victim. Do you think peaceful protesting is completely ineffective at this point? 

    Please stop acting like because I don’t condone these actions that I don’t care about police abuse. Both things can be bad. 
    Would love to see how you’d feel if your loved one was executed on the side of the street by a cop. I could build my business back or start over. That 17 year old? It’s over for him. So, how would you feel? Like burning shit down, maybe?
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  • nicknyr15
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nice to know that some are comfortable with summary executions by the police, regardless of where it happens. And the status quo.

    Perhaps the most depressing aspect of the death this week of the French teenager Nahel M in Nanterre is its familiarity. A man or boy of north African descent dies after contact with the police. A misleading or downright false account from officers casts blame on the victim. Outrage sparks protests and violence.

    The unrest that has swept French cities speaks not to the shock of those involved, but their anger and despair that this is still happening. Not only police stations but schools, cars, tramways and town halls were attacked or torched in cities including Lille, Dijon, Lyon and Toulouse as well as the Paris suburbs. On Thursday, after Emmanuel Macron held a crisis cabinet meeting, 40,000 officers were deployed across the country.

    Yet the contrast with 2005 – when the electrocution of two teenagers as they hid from police led to three weeks of riots – is also striking. The then interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, made remarks suggesting that the victims were thieves and ratcheted up tensions. This time, President Macron called the incident“inexplicable and inexcusable”. The officer responsible is under formal investigation for manslaughter. The most obvious difference is that these events were caught on phone camera and posted on social media – disproving the claim that the 17-year-old drove straight at police. Two officers are seen beside the stationary vehicle, one pointing a gun at the driver. The words: “You are going to get a bullet in the head,” are heard. The officer then appears to fire as the car drives forward.

    For those in the banlieues, the footage is not a revelation but a confirmation. The anger is cumulative. They think not only of Nahel M but of Adama Traoré, who suffocated in police custody in 2016, or of Jean-Paul Benjamin, a father-of-two shot dead last year. Such cases are particularly potent because French law does not allow the collection of data on ethnicity, which would expose discrimination in other ways. As in other countries, the Black Lives Matter movement galvanised activism. People have spoken out at increasing volume. Yet they have not been heard.

    There are particular concerns about legal changes six years ago, which critics warned broadened the standards for police use of firearms. A record 13 people died after not complying with a traffic stop in 2022. But the broader issue is aggressive policing techniques once used to control subject populations in colonies such as Algeria, and imported back to the homeland. They are evident in the handling of broader civil unrest, such as protests over pensions or by the gilets jaunes. But they are particularly toxic, and more often lethal, in the context of institutional racism, racial profiling and personal bigotry.

    Economic grievances that were key to previous unrest appear less of a factor here than the rage at being ignored, excluded and discriminated against. Kylian Mbappé, the multimillionaire French football star who grew up in the French suburbs, tweeted: “I am hurting for my France.” The anger extends beyond police to other state institutions.

    Many in the banlieues are afraid both for the safety of their children at the hands of police, and of the unrest. They are also concerned about how Marine Le Pen and the far right in general may exploit events. What they know is that things must change – and that it should not require another death, smartphone footage or mass unrest, to make it happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/29/the-guardian-view-on-unrest-in-france-the-language-of-the-unheard

    Literally NO ONE said they were ok with what happened so stop with that bullshit. Are you ok with the mayhem that followed? Do you think that will help going forward?
    What do you think the victims, at least the surviving victims' friends and families, should do when the "bullshit" never stops? Work through the legal system that offers no relief? What will it take to keep the fucking cops from executing people, playing judge, jury and executioner? In the absence of reforms that result in people not being killed on the streets by the police, yea, I'm okay with it. There are times when the "bullshit" is so forced fed that you can't swallow or breathe, and, unfortunately, the only way to get attention is to break shit. Maybe, just maybe, they've got the French political system's attention and they'll make some required changes. I'm guessing you can't relate? Just "another police shooting", eh?
    No point in going any further here. Especially with your guessing I can’t relate comment. In your mind it’s one or the other. Both can’t be wrong. I’m sure free Nikes and Chanel bags are the answer to police reform in France. Love to see how you’d feel if your business was destroyed. Enjoy your 4th. 
    Nike and Chanel will be fine. Meanwhile, the kid is DEAD and his family and friends are missing somebody. Enjoy your 4th but don’t eat too many hotdogs.
    You missed the point. Has nothing to do with money. You think the footage coming out of France helps the cause? You think it gets people on board? You think it makes police officers think differently? You think it even makes people want to become police officers at all? (Like them or not, we need police) eventually it becomes all about the rioting and less and less about the victim. Do you think peaceful protesting is completely ineffective at this point? 

    Please stop acting like because I don’t condone these actions that I don’t care about police abuse. Both things can be bad. 
    Would love to see how you’d feel if your loved one was executed on the side of the street by a cop. I could build my business back or start over. That 17 year old? It’s over for him. So, how would you feel? Like burning shit down, maybe?
    I haven’t read it anywhere but are all the people looting and committing crime his family? If not, that’s a ridiculous comparison and question to make and ask me. And it would still be wrong. 

    I wouldn’t burn shit down and steal. I was raised better than that. Two wrongs don’t make a right and it wouldn’t solve anything. I’m not an animal. Do you really think the ones who are looting give a fuck about that poor 17 year old? They are opportunistic, selfish garbage that exploit a situation and somehow have someone like you defend it. Crazy. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nice to know that some are comfortable with summary executions by the police, regardless of where it happens. And the status quo.

    Perhaps the most depressing aspect of the death this week of the French teenager Nahel M in Nanterre is its familiarity. A man or boy of north African descent dies after contact with the police. A misleading or downright false account from officers casts blame on the victim. Outrage sparks protests and violence.

    The unrest that has swept French cities speaks not to the shock of those involved, but their anger and despair that this is still happening. Not only police stations but schools, cars, tramways and town halls were attacked or torched in cities including Lille, Dijon, Lyon and Toulouse as well as the Paris suburbs. On Thursday, after Emmanuel Macron held a crisis cabinet meeting, 40,000 officers were deployed across the country.

    Yet the contrast with 2005 – when the electrocution of two teenagers as they hid from police led to three weeks of riots – is also striking. The then interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, made remarks suggesting that the victims were thieves and ratcheted up tensions. This time, President Macron called the incident“inexplicable and inexcusable”. The officer responsible is under formal investigation for manslaughter. The most obvious difference is that these events were caught on phone camera and posted on social media – disproving the claim that the 17-year-old drove straight at police. Two officers are seen beside the stationary vehicle, one pointing a gun at the driver. The words: “You are going to get a bullet in the head,” are heard. The officer then appears to fire as the car drives forward.

    For those in the banlieues, the footage is not a revelation but a confirmation. The anger is cumulative. They think not only of Nahel M but of Adama Traoré, who suffocated in police custody in 2016, or of Jean-Paul Benjamin, a father-of-two shot dead last year. Such cases are particularly potent because French law does not allow the collection of data on ethnicity, which would expose discrimination in other ways. As in other countries, the Black Lives Matter movement galvanised activism. People have spoken out at increasing volume. Yet they have not been heard.

    There are particular concerns about legal changes six years ago, which critics warned broadened the standards for police use of firearms. A record 13 people died after not complying with a traffic stop in 2022. But the broader issue is aggressive policing techniques once used to control subject populations in colonies such as Algeria, and imported back to the homeland. They are evident in the handling of broader civil unrest, such as protests over pensions or by the gilets jaunes. But they are particularly toxic, and more often lethal, in the context of institutional racism, racial profiling and personal bigotry.

    Economic grievances that were key to previous unrest appear less of a factor here than the rage at being ignored, excluded and discriminated against. Kylian Mbappé, the multimillionaire French football star who grew up in the French suburbs, tweeted: “I am hurting for my France.” The anger extends beyond police to other state institutions.

    Many in the banlieues are afraid both for the safety of their children at the hands of police, and of the unrest. They are also concerned about how Marine Le Pen and the far right in general may exploit events. What they know is that things must change – and that it should not require another death, smartphone footage or mass unrest, to make it happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/29/the-guardian-view-on-unrest-in-france-the-language-of-the-unheard

    Literally NO ONE said they were ok with what happened so stop with that bullshit. Are you ok with the mayhem that followed? Do you think that will help going forward?
    What do you think the victims, at least the surviving victims' friends and families, should do when the "bullshit" never stops? Work through the legal system that offers no relief? What will it take to keep the fucking cops from executing people, playing judge, jury and executioner? In the absence of reforms that result in people not being killed on the streets by the police, yea, I'm okay with it. There are times when the "bullshit" is so forced fed that you can't swallow or breathe, and, unfortunately, the only way to get attention is to break shit. Maybe, just maybe, they've got the French political system's attention and they'll make some required changes. I'm guessing you can't relate? Just "another police shooting", eh?
    No point in going any further here. Especially with your guessing I can’t relate comment. In your mind it’s one or the other. Both can’t be wrong. I’m sure free Nikes and Chanel bags are the answer to police reform in France. Love to see how you’d feel if your business was destroyed. Enjoy your 4th. 
    Nike and Chanel will be fine. Meanwhile, the kid is DEAD and his family and friends are missing somebody. Enjoy your 4th but don’t eat too many hotdogs.
    You missed the point. Has nothing to do with money. You think the footage coming out of France helps the cause? You think it gets people on board? You think it makes police officers think differently? You think it even makes people want to become police officers at all? (Like them or not, we need police) eventually it becomes all about the rioting and less and less about the victim. Do you think peaceful protesting is completely ineffective at this point? 

    Please stop acting like because I don’t condone these actions that I don’t care about police abuse. Both things can be bad. 
    Would love to see how you’d feel if your loved one was executed on the side of the street by a cop. I could build my business back or start over. That 17 year old? It’s over for him. So, how would you feel? Like burning shit down, maybe?
    I haven’t read it anywhere but are all the people looting and committing crime his family? If not, that’s a ridiculous comparison and question to make and ask me. And it would still be wrong. 

    I wouldn’t burn shit down and steal. I was raised better than that. Two wrongs don’t make a right and it wouldn’t solve anything. I’m not an animal. Do you really think the ones who are looting give a fuck about that poor 17 year old? They are opportunistic, selfish garbage that exploit a situation and somehow have someone like you defend it. Crazy. 
    Well, that’s your opinion. Thanks.
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  • nicknyr15
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Nice to know that some are comfortable with summary executions by the police, regardless of where it happens. And the status quo.

    Perhaps the most depressing aspect of the death this week of the French teenager Nahel M in Nanterre is its familiarity. A man or boy of north African descent dies after contact with the police. A misleading or downright false account from officers casts blame on the victim. Outrage sparks protests and violence.

    The unrest that has swept French cities speaks not to the shock of those involved, but their anger and despair that this is still happening. Not only police stations but schools, cars, tramways and town halls were attacked or torched in cities including Lille, Dijon, Lyon and Toulouse as well as the Paris suburbs. On Thursday, after Emmanuel Macron held a crisis cabinet meeting, 40,000 officers were deployed across the country.

    Yet the contrast with 2005 – when the electrocution of two teenagers as they hid from police led to three weeks of riots – is also striking. The then interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, made remarks suggesting that the victims were thieves and ratcheted up tensions. This time, President Macron called the incident“inexplicable and inexcusable”. The officer responsible is under formal investigation for manslaughter. The most obvious difference is that these events were caught on phone camera and posted on social media – disproving the claim that the 17-year-old drove straight at police. Two officers are seen beside the stationary vehicle, one pointing a gun at the driver. The words: “You are going to get a bullet in the head,” are heard. The officer then appears to fire as the car drives forward.

    For those in the banlieues, the footage is not a revelation but a confirmation. The anger is cumulative. They think not only of Nahel M but of Adama Traoré, who suffocated in police custody in 2016, or of Jean-Paul Benjamin, a father-of-two shot dead last year. Such cases are particularly potent because French law does not allow the collection of data on ethnicity, which would expose discrimination in other ways. As in other countries, the Black Lives Matter movement galvanised activism. People have spoken out at increasing volume. Yet they have not been heard.

    There are particular concerns about legal changes six years ago, which critics warned broadened the standards for police use of firearms. A record 13 people died after not complying with a traffic stop in 2022. But the broader issue is aggressive policing techniques once used to control subject populations in colonies such as Algeria, and imported back to the homeland. They are evident in the handling of broader civil unrest, such as protests over pensions or by the gilets jaunes. But they are particularly toxic, and more often lethal, in the context of institutional racism, racial profiling and personal bigotry.

    Economic grievances that were key to previous unrest appear less of a factor here than the rage at being ignored, excluded and discriminated against. Kylian Mbappé, the multimillionaire French football star who grew up in the French suburbs, tweeted: “I am hurting for my France.” The anger extends beyond police to other state institutions.

    Many in the banlieues are afraid both for the safety of their children at the hands of police, and of the unrest. They are also concerned about how Marine Le Pen and the far right in general may exploit events. What they know is that things must change – and that it should not require another death, smartphone footage or mass unrest, to make it happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/29/the-guardian-view-on-unrest-in-france-the-language-of-the-unheard

    Literally NO ONE said they were ok with what happened so stop with that bullshit. Are you ok with the mayhem that followed? Do you think that will help going forward?
    What do you think the victims, at least the surviving victims' friends and families, should do when the "bullshit" never stops? Work through the legal system that offers no relief? What will it take to keep the fucking cops from executing people, playing judge, jury and executioner? In the absence of reforms that result in people not being killed on the streets by the police, yea, I'm okay with it. There are times when the "bullshit" is so forced fed that you can't swallow or breathe, and, unfortunately, the only way to get attention is to break shit. Maybe, just maybe, they've got the French political system's attention and they'll make some required changes. I'm guessing you can't relate? Just "another police shooting", eh?
    No point in going any further here. Especially with your guessing I can’t relate comment. In your mind it’s one or the other. Both can’t be wrong. I’m sure free Nikes and Chanel bags are the answer to police reform in France. Love to see how you’d feel if your business was destroyed. Enjoy your 4th. 
    Nike and Chanel will be fine. Meanwhile, the kid is DEAD and his family and friends are missing somebody. Enjoy your 4th but don’t eat too many hotdogs.
    You missed the point. Has nothing to do with money. You think the footage coming out of France helps the cause? You think it gets people on board? You think it makes police officers think differently? You think it even makes people want to become police officers at all? (Like them or not, we need police) eventually it becomes all about the rioting and less and less about the victim. Do you think peaceful protesting is completely ineffective at this point? 

    Please stop acting like because I don’t condone these actions that I don’t care about police abuse. Both things can be bad. 
    Would love to see how you’d feel if your loved one was executed on the side of the street by a cop. I could build my business back or start over. That 17 year old? It’s over for him. So, how would you feel? Like burning shit down, maybe?
    I haven’t read it anywhere but are all the people looting and committing crime his family? If not, that’s a ridiculous comparison and question to make and ask me. And it would still be wrong. 

    I wouldn’t burn shit down and steal. I was raised better than that. Two wrongs don’t make a right and it wouldn’t solve anything. I’m not an animal. Do you really think the ones who are looting give a fuck about that poor 17 year old? They are opportunistic, selfish garbage that exploit a situation and somehow have someone like you defend it. Crazy. 
    Well, that’s your opinion. Thanks.
    That’s it? Ok. You’re welcome. 
  • mickeyrat
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    interesting read.....

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    interesting read.....

    Can’t read the article but I would guess because there was no one to arrest people it would appear that crime went down?
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    interesting read.....

    Can’t read the article but I would guess because there was no one to arrest people it would appear that crime went down?

    logical assumption.....

    gift article...
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    interesting read.....

    Can’t read the article but I would guess because there was no one to arrest people it would appear that crime went down?
    kind of like how if we stopped counting covid cases there would be no covid cases lol
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    I disagree with the poster.  Keep filming this shit and it does make a difference.  People will go to jail.
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    I'm not sure that they should go to jail...they were clearly trying to get the dog to stop. If they were telling the dog to attack that would be a different story.
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    POLICE ABUSE IS NOT COLOR BLIND 

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    Gern Blansten said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I'm not sure that they should go to jail...they were clearly trying to get the dog to stop. If they were telling the dog to attack that would be a different story.
    So, that was not him "trying to control his dog" per say.  The cop was making sure the dog didn't violently whip his head back and forth and rip his flesh off.

    The cop knew what he was doing, those dogs stop on command.

    I never heard the cop tell the dog to stop once.

    But after that being said I would need more context.
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    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
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    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Should have just “complied?”
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    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Oh i don't know, maybe the 5 minutes before this happened?  

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Should have just “complied?”
    I don't think he was, just an educated guess here but you know, can't tell because there isn't any footage beforehand.

    I did say that the cop w the dog knew exactly what he was doing though.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Should have just “complied?”
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    interesting read.....

    Can’t read the article but I would guess because there was no one to arrest people it would appear that crime went down?
    The last couple schools I worked at, that’s exactly how they got school violence down. Not necessarily reducing security or admin, but just stop reporting it.Kids get in a fight. One gets a bloody nose. Let the bleeding stop, make them apologize, send them back to class without writing a report. School violence is down. Even had my principal get a district award for “lowering” school violence.
    Unless a kid required outside medical help or a parent complained, there wasn’t really a record of anything.
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    mickeyrat said:

    I’m not familiar with what a K-9 unit in action usually looks like. But it looks like to me he is trying to pull the dog off. He pulls on the dog’s neck several times. If this clip had no context or title, I’d think the dog stopped responding to commands and he’s trying to physically pull him off.
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    https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/nyc-blues-the-number-of-potential-nypd-cops-plummets/amp/

    Can’t say I’m surprised. 
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