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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 
    I pointed out facts. Conspiracy? Triggered much? Maybe she did it for Derek? Because she’s gonna have his love child? That’d be a “conspiracy.”

    26 year veteran. Yellow versus black. Half the weight of a “lethal” firearm. Purposely designed to be distinguished because mistakes had been made in the past. “Routine traffic stop.” Black lives don’t matter to white ‘Murica.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.
    “Liberals better get their act together.”

    Let that fucking sink in.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Fucking guy kills 10 in a grocery store and walks out, escorted, with a mere flesh wound. Fucking white guy kills how many in a church and gets taken to take out.

    Active military personnel with hands out the window gets Maced. “Liberals better get their house in order.” Sure, fucking liberals.
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  • mace1229
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    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.


    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
    Yes, it is

    The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
    This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

    The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
    1) no they didn't
    2) cops think everyone has a gun

    One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
    No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

    In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
    The cop was negligent and reckless

    But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
    No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

    Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
    Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 
    I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.


    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
    Yes, it is

    The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
    This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

    The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
    1) no they didn't
    2) cops think everyone has a gun

    One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
    No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

    In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
    The cop was negligent and reckless

    But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
    No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

    Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
    Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 
    I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 
    How about, “yo, you got expired tags, get it fixed, don’t wanna see you driving like that again, ok?” Nah, because every expired tag driver is the next crowd plower or drug dealer menace to society, right? No slack. Particularly for black males.

    Gee, I wonder, how many people won’t register their car because someone wasn’t pulled over for it? Crumbling of society, surely.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Has there been actual confirmation about what the warrants were for?


    Jack Posobiec is the only blue checkmark I've seen reporting that the warrants were related to firearms, and I don't find him very trustworthy. 
    Here's a screenshot from the public records. Looks like he had a charge for possessing a firearm without a permit, didn't show for court on 04/02/21 (which I guess would've been via Zoom since it mentions 'remote technology'), and a warrant as issued that day....


    Huge rap sheet. Better buy a gun if someone like that is around. Holy shit! Scary!
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  • CM189191
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    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.


    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
    Yes, it is

    The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
    This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

    The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
    1) no they didn't
    2) cops think everyone has a gun

    One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
    No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

    In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
    The cop was negligent and reckless

    But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
    No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

    Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
    Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 
    I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 

    Murder is not 'enforcing registration laws'.  

    Yes, I blame the police for not taking control.  There is an asymmetrical power structure here and the responsibility is on the police to maintain control.  
  • Ledbetterman10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Has there been actual confirmation about what the warrants were for?


    Jack Posobiec is the only blue checkmark I've seen reporting that the warrants were related to firearms, and I don't find him very trustworthy. 
    Here's a screenshot from the public records. Looks like he had a charge for possessing a firearm without a permit, didn't show for court on 04/02/21 (which I guess would've been via Zoom since it mentions 'remote technology'), and a warrant as issued that day....


    Huge rap sheet. Better buy a gun if someone like that is around. Holy shit! Scary!
    He asked for confirmation of the warrant, so that's what I posted.

    But if you want to play your stupid games, I'll play....



    Another "responsible" gun owner! 'Merica!




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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Has there been actual confirmation about what the warrants were for?


    Jack Posobiec is the only blue checkmark I've seen reporting that the warrants were related to firearms, and I don't find him very trustworthy. 
    Here's a screenshot from the public records. Looks like he had a charge for possessing a firearm without a permit, didn't show for court on 04/02/21 (which I guess would've been via Zoom since it mentions 'remote technology'), and a warrant as issued that day....


    Huge rap sheet. Better buy a gun if someone like that is around. Holy shit! Scary!
    He asked for confirmation of the warrant, so that's what I posted.

    But if you want to play your stupid games, I'll play....



    Another "responsible" gun owner! 'Merica!




    Apparently, you haven’t been following. Someone else posted that the murder victim had an extensive rap sheet. I see two charges, both of which would have me quaking in my boots and force me to buy my 20th firearm. And seems to me, whether legal or not, possessing the weapon, based on the photos, he was “responsible” No finger on the trigger and from what I know, never shot anyone. So, is it the hoody or the cigarillo that offends you?

    ”Play my stupid games?” What does that mean? Is that what you tell your boss man when you disagree with his break policy? 
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Has there been actual confirmation about what the warrants were for?


    Jack Posobiec is the only blue checkmark I've seen reporting that the warrants were related to firearms, and I don't find him very trustworthy. 
    Here's a screenshot from the public records. Looks like he had a charge for possessing a firearm without a permit, didn't show for court on 04/02/21 (which I guess would've been via Zoom since it mentions 'remote technology'), and a warrant as issued that day....


    Huge rap sheet. Better buy a gun if someone like that is around. Holy shit! Scary!
    He asked for confirmation of the warrant, so that's what I posted.

    But if you want to play your stupid games, I'll play....



    Another "responsible" gun owner! 'Merica!






    Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

    I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



    The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

    I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

    Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

    I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

    It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
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    You've gotta be kidding. A person holding a blunt, pointing a gun at a camera so the can post it on his social media, who has a charge for having a gun without a permit in a public place, is responsible? If he was white, he's the epitome of the person you're calling out in the gun violence thread. 
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    You've gotta be kidding. A person holding a blunt, pointing a gun at a camera so the can post it on his social media, who has a charge for having a gun without a permit in a public place, is responsible? If he was white, he's the epitome of the person you're calling out in the gun violence thread. 
    What you describe is par for the course, right? Do the white “responsible” gun owners get shot in a routine traffic stop? Nah, they walk out after murdering people. “Stupid game,” indeed.
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    CM189191 said:



    Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

    I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



    The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

    I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

    Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

    I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

    It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
    I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 
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    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.


    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
    Yes, it is

    The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
    This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

    The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
    1) no they didn't
    2) cops think everyone has a gun

    One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
    No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

    In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
    The cop was negligent and reckless

    But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
    No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

    Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
    Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 
    I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 

    Murder is not 'enforcing registration laws'.  

    Yes, I blame the police for not taking control.  There is an asymmetrical power structure here and the responsibility is on the police to maintain control.  
    He wasn't shot because of expired tags.
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    And fucking white people have never posted on social media pictures of themselves with guns. Ever.  Only “responsible” images. Freedumb, it’s not free.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    You've gotta be kidding. A person holding a blunt, pointing a gun at a camera so the can post it on his social media, who has a charge for having a gun without a permit in a public place, is responsible? If he was white, he's the epitome of the person you're calling out in the gun violence thread. 
    What you describe is par for the course, right? Do the white “responsible” gun owners get shot in a routine traffic stop? Nah, they walk out after murdering people. “Stupid game,” indeed.
    t's a routine traffic stop when they stop him. It's active arrest once they see he has a warrant. 

    I think in that exact same scenario. Where a white guy gets pulled over for an air-freshener, they run the plates and see he has a warrant, they go to arrest him, and he breaks free and tries to jump in the car, they'd try to tase him. But in this situation, with an incompetent officer pulling her gun instead of taser, he'd get shot.
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    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.


    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
    Yes, it is

    The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
    This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

    The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
    1) no they didn't
    2) cops think everyone has a gun

    One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
    No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

    In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
    The cop was negligent and reckless

    But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
    No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

    Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
    Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 
    I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 

    Murder is not 'enforcing registration laws'.  

    Yes, I blame the police for not taking control.  There is an asymmetrical power structure here and the responsibility is on the police to maintain control.  
    He wasn't shot because of expired tags.
    Break it down for us, why was he shot?
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And fucking white people have never posted on social media pictures of themselves with guns. Ever.  Only “responsible” images. Freedumb, it’s not free.
    EXACTLY. You'd say those white people aren't responsible gun owners, as I would. But you defend this guy. See, YOU'RE THE RACIST. lol 
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    edited April 2021
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

    from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.


    Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 



    Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

    Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.


    This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
    Yes, it is

    The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
    This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

    The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
    1) no they didn't
    2) cops think everyone has a gun

    One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
    No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

    In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
    The cop was negligent and reckless

    But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
    No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

    Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
    Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 
    I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 
    How about, “yo, you got expired tags, get it fixed, don’t wanna see you driving like that again, ok?” Nah, because every expired tag driver is the next crowd plower or drug dealer menace to society, right? No slack. Particularly for black males.

    Gee, I wonder, how many people won’t register their car because someone wasn’t pulled over for it? Crumbling of society, surely.

    What a country.
    Well, registration helps pay to maintain roads among other things.
    But yeah, he may have only gotten a warning had he not had a warrant out. 
    Up until the cop pulled the gun and thought it was a taser, they did nothing wrong. I don't know why some pretend its wrong to pull someone over for expired tags, why its wrong to try and arrest someone with a warrant? Up until those last few seconds, I can't see anything the police did wrong.
    Those last final seconds are obviously the cop's fault for using the wrong weapon, and the gun should not have been fired. But I don't know why we're arguing over stopping someone with expired tags. Don't want to get pulled over for tags? Register your car. I do. Every year.
  • PJPOWER
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Has there been actual confirmation about what the warrants were for?


    Jack Posobiec is the only blue checkmark I've seen reporting that the warrants were related to firearms, and I don't find him very trustworthy. 
    Here's a screenshot from the public records. Looks like he had a charge for possessing a firearm without a permit, didn't show for court on 04/02/21 (which I guess would've been via Zoom since it mentions 'remote technology'), and a warrant as issued that day....


    Huge rap sheet. Better buy a gun if someone like that is around. Holy shit! Scary!
    He asked for confirmation of the warrant, so that's what I posted.

    But if you want to play your stupid games, I'll play....



    Another "responsible" gun owner! 'Merica!




    Apparently, you haven’t been following. Someone else posted that the murder victim had an extensive rap sheet. I see two charges, both of which would have me quaking in my boots and force me to buy my 20th firearm. And seems to me, whether legal or not, possessing the weapon, based on the photos, he was “responsible” No finger on the trigger and from what I know, never shot anyone. So, is it the hoody or the cigarillo that offends you?

    ”Play my stupid games?” What does that mean? Is that what you tell your boss man when you disagree with his break policy? 
    Smoking a blunt while carrying a firearm is neither responsible nor legal.
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