Police abuse

Ledbetterman10

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.

Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.  

static111

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

If anyone wondered what white privilege and  supporting systemic racism looked like they could find it all here on the “back the blue” thread that this has become.

Ridiculous. 

Do you think there is a police violence problem in this country especially when it comes to dealing with young Black males?

static111

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.

Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.  

I can’t speak for the truth of any African American and what it is like to live in a nation founded on bondage and brutal racism.

static111

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

So this dude was literally hunted in this specific example, albeit not by cops, but that’s the truth he went out for a jog and was hunted for some unknown reason...oh yeah anti black racism 

Merkin Baller

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.

Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.  

Is something Lebron said in reaction to the horrific Arbery murder / cover up / video leak really the hill you're going to fight on right now? 

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.

Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 

Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.

This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
Yes, it is

The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
1) no they didn't
2) cops think everyone has a gun

One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
The cop was negligent and reckless

But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 

I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 

Murder is not 'enforcing registration laws'.  

Yes, I blame the police for not taking control.  There is an asymmetrical power structure here and the responsibility is on the police to maintain control.  

He wasn't shot because of expired tags.

Break it down for us, why was he shot?

I really need to? He was pulled over for tags. He was found to have a warrant. He resisted arrest, lunged into his car. The cop thought she had a taser when she actually had a gun and shot him.
The police did not just pull up and shoot him for expired tags.
The shooting was still unjustified and wrong. But its also wrong to say the police just shot him over expired tags. Or for an air freshener as was the story yesterday.

Yes, you do. Tell us why he was shot. What factors lead into his being shot. Break it down for us. Show us the failures. Or is it,”just comply?”

I just did. I'll post it again.

He was pulled over for tags. He was found to have a warrant. He resisted arrest, lunged into his car. The cop thought she had a taser when she actually had a gun and shot him.
The police did not just pull up and shoot him for expired tags.
The shooting was still unjustified and wrong. But its also wrong to say the police just shot him over expired tags. Or for an air freshener as was the story yesterday.

Did I say that? Referencing your bolded last two sentences.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.

Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 

Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.

This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
Yes, it is

The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
1) no they didn't
2) cops think everyone has a gun

One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
The cop was negligent and reckless

But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 

I will only argue the one. How is that the case? If by cops starting the interaction, you mean pulling him over for expired tags, then sure I guess. But what are they supposed not do, not enforce registration laws? Guess how many people wont register a car then, And then you blame police for not taking control of the situation? The victim chose on his own to resist, break free of the cuffs and lunge into his car. He chose to escalate it. So yes, it escalated unnecessarily. I did refer to him as the victim because none of that should result in a shooting. 

Murder is not 'enforcing registration laws'.  

Yes, I blame the police for not taking control.  There is an asymmetrical power structure here and the responsibility is on the police to maintain control.  

He wasn't shot because of expired tags.

Break it down for us, why was he shot?

I really need to? He was pulled over for tags. He was found to have a warrant. He resisted arrest, lunged into his car. The cop thought she had a taser when she actually had a gun and shot him.
The police did not just pull up and shoot him for expired tags.
The shooting was still unjustified and wrong. But its also wrong to say the police just shot him over expired tags. Or for an air freshener as was the story yesterday.

Yes, you do. Tell us why he was shot. What factors lead into his being shot. Break it down for us. Show us the failures. Or is it,”just comply?”

I just did. I'll post it again.

He was pulled over for tags. He was found to have a warrant. He resisted arrest, lunged into his car. The cop thought she had a taser when she actually had a gun and shot him.
The police did not just pull up and shoot him for expired tags.
The shooting was still unjustified and wrong. But its also wrong to say the police just shot him over expired tags. Or for an air freshener as was the story yesterday.

Did I say that? Referencing your bolded last two sentences.

You didn't say it. But that was the claim someone else made that prompted my reply to which you asked for step by step clarification of why he was shot. I took that to mean you agreed with the previous post of him being shot for tags. If you disagree with that statement, then I misread into your inquiry of asking for a break down of why he was shot. 

Lerxst1992

CM189191 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

26 year veteran didn’t or couldn’t tell the difference between her taser and firearm?

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/taser_intl_certification_plan_full.pdf

from the link, weight 18 ozs versus 33.3 for a 9mm with a 3-15 round mag (don’t call it a clip). Optional yellow color, why? Oh, MN had an instance of law enforcement mistakenly shooting someone with their firearm and not a taser in the past.

Why do you keep implying there is some sort of conspiracy to this? You make it sound like the cop wanted to kill someone and pretended she didnt know she had her firearm out instead of a taser. Did you watch the video? She fucked up for sure. It was a mistake. Cops aren't perfect and she'll face the consequences for that mistake as well. 

Liberals better get their act together. This is defund the police all over again. 

This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder. The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car. The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car. One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry. In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake. But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim. Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?

Liberals want trump elected in 2024? Ignoring the victim’s contributions to his own death and ignoring the danger he put the cops in with  his blatant disregard for authority will certainly help republicans sweep congress in 22 and Trump to win in 24.

This is clearly not anything like the Floyd murder.
Yes, it is

The victim had two outstanding warrants, physically resisted arrest and lunged into his car.
This is not a license for police to summarily execute a citizen.

The cops had every right  to suspect the victim had a gun in the car.
1) no they didn't
2) cops think everyone has a gun

One of the outstanding warrants involved illegal carry.
No, the outstanding warrant was for failure to appear in court.  Neither of these are violent crimes.

In the heat of battle, the cop made a terrible mistake.
The cop was negligent and reckless

But the dangerous conditions were created by the victim.
No they weren't.  Cops started the interaction.  Where unable to control the situation.  And escalated unnecessarily.  

Where is the black community to admit breaking the law and resisting arrest is not acceptable conduct?
Police aren't supposed to murder guilty people, either. 

sorry, but you’re response is riddled with inaccuracies. How badly do y’all want trump to be president again

” Minneapolis police said he had carried a pistol without a permit and had run from officers last June. ” and he missed a court appearance. 

At 20, certainly not a law abiding citizen.

He didn’t deserve to die, but resisting arrest, carrying a gun, and not appearing for court dates comes with risk. It’s time for the black community to meet the police halfway here. Otherwise, trump will turn this into another defund the police disaster.

Ledbetterman10

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

So this dude was literally hunted in this specific example, albeit not by cops, but that’s the truth he went out for a jog and was hunted for some unknown reason...oh yeah anti black racism 

He was. It was completely racist. But "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes" is still fear-mongering hyperbole. So when Halifax asked "Is that not true?," I said it's not. 

mace1229

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

Some did say they didnt beliebve it was an accident, that the cop didn't really mistake her gun for the taser. And if you say that, arent you saying that cops go out wanting to murder black people? Because if you believe she knew it was a gun and knowingly pulled the trigger to kill him, that would be murder. I don;t see the difference in saying she's lying about how it happened and saying she went out to murder him. 

cblock4life

First, most whites are afraid of black people (won’t admit it but they are). Second, most white people can’t relate nor communicate with black people. Third, the weight difference between a taser and gun is fairly significant.  You can scream taser, taser, taser all you want but she was ready to shoot regardless. She’s right handed, dominant side for her gun placement.  They’re all full of bullshit.  Again, with the exception of a few and I mean very few, cops are egotistical, power hungry assholes. 

nicknyr15

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

If anyone wondered what white privilege and  supporting systemic racism looked like they could find it all here on the “back the blue” thread that this has become.

Ridiculous. 

Do you think there is a police violence problem in this country especially when it comes to dealing with young Black males?

I have no desire to go back and forth on this issue with you. No disrespect, honestly. We will never see eye to and there’s nothing wrong with that. I respect your opinion, passion and the way you communicate your point, unlike others here.  I’m with Ledbetterman10 on this one. 

Bentleyspop

And now the police officer has resigned. 

Merkin Baller

Bentleyspop said:

And now the police officer has resigned. 

& the chief as well, according to the NYT. 

Ledbetterman10

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

If anyone wondered what white privilege and  supporting systemic racism looked like they could find it all here on the “back the blue” thread that this has become.

Ridiculous. 

Do you think there is a police violence problem in this country especially when it comes to dealing with young Black males?

I have no desire to go back and forth on this issue with you. No disrespect, honestly. We will never see eye to and there’s nothing wrong with that. I respect your opinion, passion and the way you communicate your point, unlike others here.  I’m with Ledbetterman10 on this one. 

Well I actually pretty much agree that there's a problem with how cops interact with black guys. But I also don't think every case is the same. That just because a black person gets killed by police, that it's because systemic racism, etc. Yesterday, someone compared this situation with Wright to Philando Castile, which I thought was a terrible comparison. But some people just see a black person killed by white cop, and that's all they need to know. And again, as I've said, he shouldn't have been shot and that cop is the posterchild for bad policing (racially motivated or not). But he also shouldn't have resisted. He'd be alive if he didn't try to jump back in his car. 

A few months back, when the NFL cared about social justice, they were posting on their Instagram pictures of black victims of police brutality. It showed their picture, their name, and said #saytheirstories. But then one of them was Rayshard Brooks, the guy that stole the cops' taser and got shot because of it. Should he be lumped in with Breonna Taylor? I don't think he should. 

jerparker20

Bentleyspop said:

And now the police officer has resigned. 

As did the police chief. 

tbergs

cblock4life said:

First, most whites are afraid of black people (won’t admit it but they are). Second, most white people can’t relate nor communicate with black people. Third, the weight difference between a taser and gun is fairly significant.  You can scream taser, taser, taser all you want but she was ready to shoot regardless. She’s right handed, dominant side for her gun placement.  They’re all full of bullshit.  Again, with the exception of a few and I mean very few, cops are egotistical, power hungry assholes. 

Under stress and adrenaline rush, the brain doesn't quite register things the same. Don't take my word though, the research is out there. That's why they hammer repetition in trainings, to eliminate brain fog. A 26 year vet maybe shouldn't have been allowed to be in that type of situation anymore. She should face manslaughter charges accordingly.

Ledbetterman10

Bentleyspop said:

And now the police officer has resigned. 

I wonder how she'll be charged. In the U.S., negligent homicide is considered, by statute, to be involuntary manslaughter. So that'd be my guess.

cblock4life

Bentleyspop said:

And now the police officer has resigned. 

They’re resigning to try to save their retirement.  Just like Chauvin got a divorce and she got most of the money to protect it and how they make sure he’s wearing an extra baggy suit (poor officer lost so much weight). Please people don’t be delusional.  These are scum moves by scum people. Don’t for once think that what they are doing is for any other reason than saving their own interests. Whites have been hanging, burning, shooting blacks for centuries and some of you think it’s all the black folks fault. Officers are taught and told they’re entitled to act like assholes.