Police abuse

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

Anyone says that he shouldn’t have resisted isn’t paying attention or isn’t human.  Officers aren’t above the law. Officers abuse the resisting arrest charge to escalate situations. Is someone not showing you the respect you think your badge and gun deserves? He resisted arrest. Fuck that.  Respect is earned for everyone, just because you went to community college and got a piece of tin doesn’t entitle you to anymore or any less.  

Here is a crazy idea on how to stop situations from getting out of hand, Cops start acting like humans and stop being so trigger happy. The most recent incident in WI especially was escalated by police.  Even after escalating they could have tackled the guy etc, instead they wait until his back is turned and shoot him 7 times. If you can justify the trauma of shooting a father in front of his kids because he didn’t follow deputy dog’s orders you are a monster.

Cops are on edge even more now and you have people that are disobeying their commands, someone is going to get killed and the cops get blamed again.

That person NEVER should have reached in his car like that.  It appears the cops followed him saying something but the person never listened.

Agreed.  The cop did not know if the dude was getting a weapon (and in the US I assume everyone has a weapon, where as in Canada I assume most do not have a weapon).

static111

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I'm sure @mace1229 will be able to combine assumption and common sense to explain why he needed to be shot. 

This one's actually low-hanging fruit...how do we know he's not going into the car to get a gun?

aren't cops supposed to wait until they SEE a gun before they shoot?

people saying "he shouldn't have resisted" didn't watch the george floyd video. you want to die with a knee on your neck too?

But didn't Floyd resist too? That's why they drug him out of the car to begin with.
I'm not saying what happened was right, I've said before that was one of the worst examples I've seen. But just in response to resisting or not.
And I think its an important detail too, because in nearly every case of black deaths (with just a few exceptions) it escalates from resisting. Again, I'm not saying the cops were all justified, but instead of teaching kids to fight back when a cop has a gun pointed at your face, we should be teaching them how to stay alive and be better about following up on complaints and all forms of abuse, be more transparent on complaints and procedures, even ones that don't result in death. Be better about so that the next time someone has a gun pointed at them they don't think this is my moment to make my stand. That's where we are going to save more lives.
 

i see what you're saying, however, the answer shouldn't be "teach black people how to comply". the answer should be "get better fucking cops". 

this guy didn't fight back. he was walking away. shot in the back. 7 times. 

floyd may have resisted, yes, i can't recall. but then to have 3 guys on you with one guy on your neck is absurd. 

i've seen videos of the cops yelling "stop resisting!" while the guy isn't moving a fucking muscle. I'd be terrified of getting detained too. I could see why some people would choose to run. 

Why can't we do both? Our media literally says every day if you're black, cops are out to kill you. I havent heard lately, but had regularly used the phrase "open season on black men" for a long time.  But the reality is if you cooperate and follow all directions, you have about a 99.999% survival rate. If you resist and run that number drops a little, if you activiely fight back that number drops significantly. But I have never heard once  out of all the celebrities, news, talk shows, etc talk about how to survive.
So why can't we encourage all groups, but especially those targetted more, to respond in a way that all but gaurantee your survival AND demand police reform, better policing, better protocol for follow up with complaints and so on. But instead we have prime time news anchors telling an audience that Rayshard Brooks had no choice but to fight back, steal the taser and use it on the cops because he knew if he was placed in the back seat of a cop car he would be taken out and murdered. 
The complaint system does suck. I've filed a formal complaint before and it was a joke. That needs to improve. If people felt confident that a formal complaint was handled properly, then maybe more would be willing to go along and file a complaint later that was handled correctly and we would see improvement all around.

Media aside. Have you taken the time to discuss these issues with your African American friends and family members? You might have your eyes opened to the fact that the news is only just catching up to how police have been aggressively pursuing African Americans for years.  These communities absolutely do teach their children about cops differently than white communities because they get treated differently by the police and the criminal justice system.   At this point it is all on the cops to change. Resisting arrest is never a capital offense.

mace1229

I was stopped a couple years ago and given a ticket for failing to move over for an emergency vehicle. The cop was stopped in the shoulder and did not have his lights on, I did not know I was passing a cop car until I was passing it. I assumed it was a broken down vehicle as I often see on my way home. But he pulled me over and gave me the failure to move over ticket. When I left I witnessed him pull over another car for presumebly the same thing, again without any lights on.

It didn't make sense that it should apply, so when I looked i tup the emergency vehicle has to have his lights on for that law to apply, which he didn't. So I fought the ticket and won. After winning I filed the complaint. I also said I waited until after I fought and won to file the complaint so that it could not be viewed as an attempt to get out of it. But wanted to let the supervisor know what was going on and that this ticket costs me 2 days off of work to fight it. The response I got was "You already got out of the ticket, so what do you want from me now?"

After not hearing anything else I followed up again with the chief, this time also added that this stupid ticket did cost me a few hundred dollars because my insurance renewed after I got the ticket but before my court date, so my rates went up. Was basically told the same thing by the chief. Not even an apology.

So I can see how people don't want to file complaints and have no faith in anything coming of it. Police should be held more accountable for complaints. I don't know what that looks like, but there's people a lot smarter than me and get paid a lot more who can figure that out.

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

I was stopped a couple years ago and given a ticket for failing to move over for an emergency vehicle. The cop was stopped in the shoulder and did not have his lights on, I did not know I was passing a cop car until I was passing it. I assumed it was a broken down vehicle as I often see on my way home. But he pulled me over and gave me the failure to move over ticket. When I left I witnessed him pull over another car for presumebly the same thing, again without any lights on.

It didn't make sense that it should apply, so when I looked i tup the emergency vehicle has to have his lights on for that law to apply, which he didn't. So I fought the ticket and won. After winning I filed the complaint. I also said I waited until after I fought and won to file the complaint so that it could not be viewed as an attempt to get out of it. But wanted to let the supervisor know what was going on and that this ticket costs me 2 days off of work to fight it. The response I got was "You already got out of the ticket, so what do you want from me now?"

After not hearing anything else I followed up again with the chief, this time also added that this stupid ticket did cost me a few hundred dollars because my insurance renewed after I got the ticket but before my court date, so my rates went up. Was basically told the same thing by the chief. Not even an apology.

So I can see how people don't want to file complaints and have no faith in anything coming of it. Police should be held more accountable for complaints. I don't know what that looks like, but there's people a lot smarter than me and get paid a lot more who can figure that out.

That is bullshit policy and the higher ups not wanting to do anything about it.

What sucks is anyone can file a complaint and I am sure the police force gets a bunch and some may be warranted but it's not worth their time to do anything about it.

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

Anyone says that he shouldn’t have resisted isn’t paying attention or isn’t human.  Officers aren’t above the law. Officers abuse the resisting arrest charge to escalate situations. Is someone not showing you the respect you think your badge and gun deserves? He resisted arrest. Fuck that.  Respect is earned for everyone, just because you went to community college and got a piece of tin doesn’t entitle you to anymore or any less.  

Here is a crazy idea on how to stop situations from getting out of hand, Cops start acting like humans and stop being so trigger happy. The most recent incident in WI especially was escalated by police.  Even after escalating they could have tackled the guy etc, instead they wait until his back is turned and shoot him 7 times. If you can justify the trauma of shooting a father in front of his kids because he didn’t follow deputy dog’s orders you are a monster.

Cops are on edge even more now and you have people that are disobeying their commands, someone is going to get killed and the cops get blamed again.

That person NEVER should have reached in his car like that.  It appears the cops followed him saying something but the person never listened.

Agreed.  The cop did not know if the dude was getting a weapon (and in the US I assume everyone has a weapon, where as in Canada I assume most do not have a weapon).

The US has aggressively promoted gun rights with few restrictions for years. The result is that many people have guns; indeed, a vocal segment of society advocates for almost everyone to have guns. Police and police unions are broadly in favour of gun rights; thus, they have to deal with the consequences of this issue, and their solution can not be to shoot everyone they think may possibly have a gun. 

And for everyone who argues that if blacks people simply comply with police direction they’ll be fine .... remember Philando Castile. 

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

Anyone says that he shouldn’t have resisted isn’t paying attention or isn’t human.  Officers aren’t above the law. Officers abuse the resisting arrest charge to escalate situations. Is someone not showing you the respect you think your badge and gun deserves? He resisted arrest. Fuck that.  Respect is earned for everyone, just because you went to community college and got a piece of tin doesn’t entitle you to anymore or any less.  

Here is a crazy idea on how to stop situations from getting out of hand, Cops start acting like humans and stop being so trigger happy. The most recent incident in WI especially was escalated by police.  Even after escalating they could have tackled the guy etc, instead they wait until his back is turned and shoot him 7 times. If you can justify the trauma of shooting a father in front of his kids because he didn’t follow deputy dog’s orders you are a monster.

Cops are on edge even more now and you have people that are disobeying their commands, someone is going to get killed and the cops get blamed again.

That person NEVER should have reached in his car like that.  It appears the cops followed him saying something but the person never listened.

Agreed.  The cop did not know if the dude was getting a weapon (and in the US I assume everyone has a weapon, where as in Canada I assume most do not have a weapon).

The US has aggressively promoted gun rights with few restrictions for years. The result is that many people have guns; indeed, a vocal segment of society advocates for almost everyone to have guns. Police and police unions are broadly in favour of gun rights; thus, they have to deal with the consequences of this issue, and their solution can not be to shoot everyone they think may possibly have a gun. 

And for everyone who argues that if blacks people simply comply with police direction they’ll be fine .... remember Philando Castile. 

999 times out of 1000 you do what you're told then there is no incident.  I do understand that the whole point of this is not to have that 1 in a 1000 incident though.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

Anyone says that he shouldn’t have resisted isn’t paying attention or isn’t human.  Officers aren’t above the law. Officers abuse the resisting arrest charge to escalate situations. Is someone not showing you the respect you think your badge and gun deserves? He resisted arrest. Fuck that.  Respect is earned for everyone, just because you went to community college and got a piece of tin doesn’t entitle you to anymore or any less.  

Here is a crazy idea on how to stop situations from getting out of hand, Cops start acting like humans and stop being so trigger happy. The most recent incident in WI especially was escalated by police.  Even after escalating they could have tackled the guy etc, instead they wait until his back is turned and shoot him 7 times. If you can justify the trauma of shooting a father in front of his kids because he didn’t follow deputy dog’s orders you are a monster.

Cops are on edge even more now and you have people that are disobeying their commands, someone is going to get killed and the cops get blamed again.

That person NEVER should have reached in his car like that.  It appears the cops followed him saying something but the person never listened.

Agreed.  The cop did not know if the dude was getting a weapon (and in the US I assume everyone has a weapon, where as in Canada I assume most do not have a weapon).

The US has aggressively promoted gun rights with few restrictions for years. The result is that many people have guns; indeed, a vocal segment of society advocates for almost everyone to have guns. Police and police unions are broadly in favour of gun rights; thus, they have to deal with the consequences of this issue, and their solution can not be to shoot everyone they think may possibly have a gun. 

And for everyone who argues that if blacks people simply comply with police direction they’ll be fine .... remember Philando Castile. 

999 times out of 1000 you do what you're told then there is no incident.  I do understand that the whole point of this is not to have that 1 in a 1000 incident though.

i would seriously doubt that ratio. not all police brutality ends in death. and not even close to all of it is filmed. 

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

Anyone says that he shouldn’t have resisted isn’t paying attention or isn’t human.  Officers aren’t above the law. Officers abuse the resisting arrest charge to escalate situations. Is someone not showing you the respect you think your badge and gun deserves? He resisted arrest. Fuck that.  Respect is earned for everyone, just because you went to community college and got a piece of tin doesn’t entitle you to anymore or any less.  

Here is a crazy idea on how to stop situations from getting out of hand, Cops start acting like humans and stop being so trigger happy. The most recent incident in WI especially was escalated by police.  Even after escalating they could have tackled the guy etc, instead they wait until his back is turned and shoot him 7 times. If you can justify the trauma of shooting a father in front of his kids because he didn’t follow deputy dog’s orders you are a monster.

Cops are on edge even more now and you have people that are disobeying their commands, someone is going to get killed and the cops get blamed again.

That person NEVER should have reached in his car like that.  It appears the cops followed him saying something but the person never listened.

Agreed.  The cop did not know if the dude was getting a weapon (and in the US I assume everyone has a weapon, where as in Canada I assume most do not have a weapon).

The US has aggressively promoted gun rights with few restrictions for years. The result is that many people have guns; indeed, a vocal segment of society advocates for almost everyone to have guns. Police and police unions are broadly in favour of gun rights; thus, they have to deal with the consequences of this issue, and their solution can not be to shoot everyone they think may possibly have a gun. 

And for everyone who argues that if blacks people simply comply with police direction they’ll be fine .... remember Philando Castile. 

999 times out of 1000 you do what you're told then there is no incident.  I do understand that the whole point of this is not to have that 1 in a 1000 incident though.

i would seriously doubt that ratio. not all police brutality ends in death. and not even close to all of it is filmed. 

I said "incident".  The end result can be a ticket or a warning.  Not everything ends in death, yes.

PJNB

I have a couple questions with what happened to the guy who was shot at 7 times after watching the video. 

Why was the cops gun already drawn on him. I get that when cops come up onto a scene it is hard to decipher what is going on and who is to blame. Was this guy acting erratic and crazy or did they just role up and point a gun at him. 

Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him. What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns

Why did the cops allow him to slowly walk to the driver side door with no real sense of urgency to stop him. They knew if he got to that door and reached in they were going to shoot. Why would they not try and stop that from happening before hand. 



Cops deal with a lot of difficult decisions everyday. I do not envy them at all even though they signed up for that life.  A lot of them are the types of decisions that require quick judgement. It is easy to watch a video later, decipher it and say what should have happened. This video however was not the type that required a quick decision and there was plenty of time for them to make one that would have prevented the shooting. If there was a gun on the ground 20 feet away and someone was slowly walking over to it unarmed and you are right beside them with multiple cops backing you up do you wait until they are only feet away to shoot them or do you jump on them and apprehend them before it escalates? To wait until the last second and use maximum force instead of a football tackle is not how I want to see police interact with suspects. 

mace1229

PJNB said:

I have a couple questions with what happened to the guy who was shot at 7 times after watching the video. 

Why was the cops gun already drawn on him. I get that when cops come up onto a scene it is hard to decipher what is going on and who is to blame. Was this guy acting erratic and crazy or did they just role up and point a gun at him. 

Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him. What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns

Why did the cops allow him to slowly walk to the driver side door with no real sense of urgency to stop him. They knew if he got to that door and reached in they were going to shoot. Why would they not try and stop that from happening before hand. 



Cops deal with a lot of difficult decisions everyday. I do not envy them at all even though they signed up for that life.  A lot of them are the types of decisions that require quick judgement. It is easy to watch a video later, decipher it and say what should have happened. This video however was not the type that required a quick decision and there was plenty of time for them to make one that would have prevented the shooting. If there was a gun on the ground 20 feet away and someone was slowly walking over to it unarmed and you are right beside them with multiple cops backing you up do you wait until they are only feet away to shoot them or do you jump on them and apprehend them before it escalates? To wait until the last second and use maximum force instead of a football tackle is not how I want to see police interact with suspects. 

Didn't you just shame me for victim blaming like 5 minutes ago for basically just saying nearly all of the incidents escalate from not following directions or resisting? I hope now you can understand why its good to ask questions, like why was he going to his car with a gun pointed at him. And agreed, even if there wasn't a reason to have their guns out, maybe that isn't the best moment in time to chose to make your statement.

Ledbetterman10

PJNB said:

I have a couple questions with what happened to the guy who was shot at 7 times after watching the video. 

Why was the cops gun already drawn on him. I get that when cops come up onto a scene it is hard to decipher what is going on and who is to blame. Was this guy acting erratic and crazy or did they just role up and point a gun at him. 

Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him. What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns

Why did the cops allow him to slowly walk to the driver side door with no real sense of urgency to stop him. They knew if he got to that door and reached in they were going to shoot. Why would they not try and stop that from happening before hand. 

Cops deal with a lot of difficult decisions everyday. I do not envy them at all even though they signed up for that life.  A lot of them are the types of decisions that require quick judgement. It is easy to watch a video later, decipher it and say what should have happened. This video however was not the type that required a quick decision and there was plenty of time for them to make one that would have prevented the shooting. If there was a gun on the ground 20 feet away and someone was slowly walking over to it unarmed and you are right beside them with multiple cops backing you up do you wait until they are only feet away to shoot them or do you jump on them and apprehend them before it escalates? To wait until the last second and use maximum force instead of a football tackle is not how I want to see police interact with suspects. 

All good questions. None of which can really be answered from that 20-second video. And unfortunately, for some reason, the cops in that town don't wear body-cams. 

PJNB

mace1229 said:

PJNB said:

I have a couple questions with what happened to the guy who was shot at 7 times after watching the video. 

Why was the cops gun already drawn on him. I get that when cops come up onto a scene it is hard to decipher what is going on and who is to blame. Was this guy acting erratic and crazy or did they just role up and point a gun at him. 

Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him. What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns

Why did the cops allow him to slowly walk to the driver side door with no real sense of urgency to stop him. They knew if he got to that door and reached in they were going to shoot. Why would they not try and stop that from happening before hand. 



Cops deal with a lot of difficult decisions everyday. I do not envy them at all even though they signed up for that life.  A lot of them are the types of decisions that require quick judgement. It is easy to watch a video later, decipher it and say what should have happened. This video however was not the type that required a quick decision and there was plenty of time for them to make one that would have prevented the shooting. If there was a gun on the ground 20 feet away and someone was slowly walking over to it unarmed and you are right beside them with multiple cops backing you up do you wait until they are only feet away to shoot them or do you jump on them and apprehend them before it escalates? To wait until the last second and use maximum force instead of a football tackle is not how I want to see police interact with suspects. 

Didn't you just shame me for victim blaming like 5 minutes ago for basically just saying nearly all of the incidents escalate from not following directions or resisting? I hope now you can understand why its good to ask questions, like why was he going to his car with a gun pointed at him. And agreed, even if there wasn't a reason to have their guns out, maybe that isn't the best moment in time to chose to make your statement.

Sorry for the confusion and my post somehow deleted a part of my sentence out and I should have proof read better before posting it. My original sentence read as follows. 


Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him with "his kids in there". What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns. 

My point was as a father I would protect my kids from this situation. My instinct would be to get the "bad" cop away from my kids. When I say bad cop I am saying what the guy that had a gun pointed at him for doing nothing wrong probably felt that way. There is not a chance in hell I would be going to my van knowing thats where my kids where I would be going in the opposite direction especially if I did not trust the cop. 

I also want to clarify that during this video I do think he was wrong for going to his van. I still stand by my comment however that the cop should not have let it get to the point that they had a "justifiable" shooting.  

mace1229

PJNB said:

mace1229 said:

PJNB said:

I have a couple questions with what happened to the guy who was shot at 7 times after watching the video. 

Why was the cops gun already drawn on him. I get that when cops come up onto a scene it is hard to decipher what is going on and who is to blame. Was this guy acting erratic and crazy or did they just role up and point a gun at him. 

Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him. What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns

Why did the cops allow him to slowly walk to the driver side door with no real sense of urgency to stop him. They knew if he got to that door and reached in they were going to shoot. Why would they not try and stop that from happening before hand. 



Cops deal with a lot of difficult decisions everyday. I do not envy them at all even though they signed up for that life.  A lot of them are the types of decisions that require quick judgement. It is easy to watch a video later, decipher it and say what should have happened. This video however was not the type that required a quick decision and there was plenty of time for them to make one that would have prevented the shooting. If there was a gun on the ground 20 feet away and someone was slowly walking over to it unarmed and you are right beside them with multiple cops backing you up do you wait until they are only feet away to shoot them or do you jump on them and apprehend them before it escalates? To wait until the last second and use maximum force instead of a football tackle is not how I want to see police interact with suspects. 

Didn't you just shame me for victim blaming like 5 minutes ago for basically just saying nearly all of the incidents escalate from not following directions or resisting? I hope now you can understand why its good to ask questions, like why was he going to his car with a gun pointed at him. And agreed, even if there wasn't a reason to have their guns out, maybe that isn't the best moment in time to chose to make your statement.

Sorry for the confusion and my post somehow deleted a part of my sentence out and I should have proof read better before posting it. My original sentence read as follows. 


Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him with "his kids in there". What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns. 

My point was as a father I would protect my kids from this situation. My instinct would be to get the "bad" cop away from my kids. When I say bad cop I am saying what the guy that had a gun pointed at him for doing nothing wrong probably felt that way. There is not a chance in hell I would be going to my van knowing thats where my kids where I would be going in the opposite direction especially if I did not trust the cop. 

I also want to clarify that during this video I do think he was wrong for going to his van. I still stand by my comment however that the cop should not have let it get to the point that they had a "justifiable" shooting.  

I can agree with all that. Which was similar to my earlier point and I don't see that as victim blaming.

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LeBron James calls guns a ‘huge issue’ after Jacob Blake shooting: ‘We think you’re hunting us’

August 25, 2020 at 2:26 a.m. EDT

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KISSIMMEE, Fla. — The shooting of Jacob Blake led Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James to directly question the police officers’ behavior and to refer to guns as “a major issue in America.”

Blake, an unarmed Black man, was shot by police in Kenosha, Wis., on Sunday in an incident that was captured on video that was shared widely on social media.

James, who has participated in kneeling demonstrations and spoken out repeatedly against police brutality while competing at the NBA’s Disney World bubble, used his postgame news conference Monday to speak at length about the shooting and the role of firearms in American society.

“Quite frankly, it’s just f---ed up in our community,” James said after scoring 30 points to lead the Lakers past the Portland Trail Blazers, 135-115, in Game 4 of their first-round playoff series. “We are scared as Black people in America. Black men, Black women, Black kids, we are terrified. You have no idea how that cop left the house. You don’t know if he woke up on the good side of the bed or the wrong side of the bed. You don’t know if he had an argument at home with his significant other or one of his kids said something crazy and he left the house steaming. Maybe he just left the house saying, ‘Today is going to be the end for one of these Black people.’ That’s what it feels like. It just hurts.”

In the video, Blake walked toward the driver’s side of the vehicle and attempted to enter the driver’s seat as multiple officers followed him. As he sat down, he was shot multiple times in the back with three of his children inside the car. Blake remained in serious condition at a hospital Monday, and the officers involved were placed on administrative leave.

“If you’re sitting here telling me that there was no way to subdue that gentleman or detain him before the firing of guns, then you’re sitting here lying not only to me, but you’re lying to every Black person in the community,” James said. “We see it over and over and over. If you watch the video, there was multiple moments where they could have tackled him or grabbed him. They could have done that. Why does it always have to get to a point where we see the guns firing?

“His family is there, his kids are there, it’s broad daylight. Seven shots at close range, and he’s still alive. That’s through the grace of God right there. My prayers go out to that family and that community, but I’ve got nothing nice to say about those cops at all.”

Over the past two months, James has spoken repeatedly about the police shootings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, including advocating for the arrest of the Louisville police officers who shot Taylor while she slept at her home. James widened his lens Monday, suggesting that aspiring police officers should go through longer and more extensive training before joining the force and highlighting the role of guns in these incidents.

“I think firearms are a huge issue in America,” James said. “I don’t know how you clean that up. I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers. Guns are a huge issue in America. They’re not just used for hunting, like a lot of people do for sport. For Black people right now, when you’re hunting, we think you’re hunting us.”

This isn’t the first time James has broached the gun control issue. He responded to a 2015 school shooting by saying, “there’s no room for guns.”

At All-Star Weekend in 2018, James addressed a school shooting in Parkland, Fla., by asking rhetorically, “How can a kid who can’t buy a beer go and buy an AR-15?”

“We’ve seen … these tragedies in America, and there’s been no change to gun control,” James said, according to the Sun-Sentinel. “I don’t have the answers right now. But we have to do something about it.”

To underscore the persistent fear of police he believes Black people feel, James described watching a recent video of a child who was shooting baskets when a police officer drove past. Rather than continue playing, the child hid behind a truck to avoid an interaction with the police.

“That s--- is sad,” James said Monday. “No kid should have to feel that threatened that he has to hide at his own house. That’s sad. I know what he’s going through. I was one of those kids. When I lived in the projects, when I saw a cop going, we hid behind a brick wall and waited for it to roll out. If we saw the cop’s lights go on, we ran, even if we didn’t do anything wrong. We were just scared.”

James, who has launched a nonprofit organization called “More Than a Vote” campaign to increase voter participation, repeated his calls for people to engage with the political process by voting in the upcoming presidential election. Earlier this month, James dismissed President Trump’s criticisms of the NBA’s national anthem demonstrations and said that the election was a “big moment for us as Americans.”

“We want change,” James said Monday. “It doesn’t end in November, but it starts there. We have to keep our foot on the pedal then even if we get what we want.”

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Halifax2TheMax said:

LeBron James calls guns a ‘huge issue’ after Jacob Blake shooting: ‘We think you’re hunting us’

August 25, 2020 at 2:26 a.m. EDT

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KISSIMMEE, Fla. — The shooting of Jacob Blake led Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James to directly question the police officers’ behavior and to refer to guns as “a major issue in America.”

Blake, an unarmed Black man, was shot by police in Kenosha, Wis., on Sunday in an incident that was captured on video that was shared widely on social media.

James, who has participated in kneeling demonstrations and spoken out repeatedly against police brutality while competing at the NBA’s Disney World bubble, used his postgame news conference Monday to speak at length about the shooting and the role of firearms in American society.

“Quite frankly, it’s just f---ed up in our community,” James said after scoring 30 points to lead the Lakers past the Portland Trail Blazers, 135-115, in Game 4 of their first-round playoff series. “We are scared as Black people in America. Black men, Black women, Black kids, we are terrified. You have no idea how that cop left the house. You don’t know if he woke up on the good side of the bed or the wrong side of the bed. You don’t know if he had an argument at home with his significant other or one of his kids said something crazy and he left the house steaming. Maybe he just left the house saying, ‘Today is going to be the end for one of these Black people.’ That’s what it feels like. It just hurts.”

In the video, Blake walked toward the driver’s side of the vehicle and attempted to enter the driver’s seat as multiple officers followed him. As he sat down, he was shot multiple times in the back with three of his children inside the car. Blake remained in serious condition at a hospital Monday, and the officers involved were placed on administrative leave.

“If you’re sitting here telling me that there was no way to subdue that gentleman or detain him before the firing of guns, then you’re sitting here lying not only to me, but you’re lying to every Black person in the community,” James said. “We see it over and over and over. If you watch the video, there was multiple moments where they could have tackled him or grabbed him. They could have done that. Why does it always have to get to a point where we see the guns firing?

“His family is there, his kids are there, it’s broad daylight. Seven shots at close range, and he’s still alive. That’s through the grace of God right there. My prayers go out to that family and that community, but I’ve got nothing nice to say about those cops at all.”

Over the past two months, James has spoken repeatedly about the police shootings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, including advocating for the arrest of the Louisville police officers who shot Taylor while she slept at her home. James widened his lens Monday, suggesting that aspiring police officers should go through longer and more extensive training before joining the force and highlighting the role of guns in these incidents.

“I think firearms are a huge issue in America,” James said. “I don’t know how you clean that up. I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers. Guns are a huge issue in America. They’re not just used for hunting, like a lot of people do for sport. For Black people right now, when you’re hunting, we think you’re hunting us.”

This isn’t the first time James has broached the gun control issue. He responded to a 2015 school shooting by saying, “there’s no room for guns.”

At All-Star Weekend in 2018, James addressed a school shooting in Parkland, Fla., by asking rhetorically, “How can a kid who can’t buy a beer go and buy an AR-15?”

“We’ve seen … these tragedies in America, and there’s been no change to gun control,” James said, according to the Sun-Sentinel. “I don’t have the answers right now. But we have to do something about it.”

To underscore the persistent fear of police he believes Black people feel, James described watching a recent video of a child who was shooting baskets when a police officer drove past. Rather than continue playing, the child hid behind a truck to avoid an interaction with the police.

“That s--- is sad,” James said Monday. “No kid should have to feel that threatened that he has to hide at his own house. That’s sad. I know what he’s going through. I was one of those kids. When I lived in the projects, when I saw a cop going, we hid behind a brick wall and waited for it to roll out. If we saw the cop’s lights go on, we ran, even if we didn’t do anything wrong. We were just scared.”

James, who has launched a nonprofit organization called “More Than a Vote” campaign to increase voter participation, repeated his calls for people to engage with the political process by voting in the upcoming presidential election. Earlier this month, James dismissed President Trump’s criticisms of the NBA’s national anthem demonstrations and said that the election was a “big moment for us as Americans.”

“We want change,” James said Monday. “It doesn’t end in November, but it starts there. We have to keep our foot on the pedal then even if we get what we want.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/25/lebron-james-calls-guns-huge-issue-after-jacob-blake-shooting-we-think-youre-hunting-us/?hpid=hp_sports1-8-12_lebron-440am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

I guess someone should tell him that if he just complies, everything will be fine. Well, most of the time. Or at least some of the time. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

PJNB said:

mace1229 said:

PJNB said:

I have a couple questions with what happened to the guy who was shot at 7 times after watching the video. 

Why was the cops gun already drawn on him. I get that when cops come up onto a scene it is hard to decipher what is going on and who is to blame. Was this guy acting erratic and crazy or did they just role up and point a gun at him. 

Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him. What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns

Why did the cops allow him to slowly walk to the driver side door with no real sense of urgency to stop him. They knew if he got to that door and reached in they were going to shoot. Why would they not try and stop that from happening before hand. 



Cops deal with a lot of difficult decisions everyday. I do not envy them at all even though they signed up for that life.  A lot of them are the types of decisions that require quick judgement. It is easy to watch a video later, decipher it and say what should have happened. This video however was not the type that required a quick decision and there was plenty of time for them to make one that would have prevented the shooting. If there was a gun on the ground 20 feet away and someone was slowly walking over to it unarmed and you are right beside them with multiple cops backing you up do you wait until they are only feet away to shoot them or do you jump on them and apprehend them before it escalates? To wait until the last second and use maximum force instead of a football tackle is not how I want to see police interact with suspects. 

Didn't you just shame me for victim blaming like 5 minutes ago for basically just saying nearly all of the incidents escalate from not following directions or resisting? I hope now you can understand why its good to ask questions, like why was he going to his car with a gun pointed at him. And agreed, even if there wasn't a reason to have their guns out, maybe that isn't the best moment in time to chose to make your statement.

Sorry for the confusion and my post somehow deleted a part of my sentence out and I should have proof read better before posting it. My original sentence read as follows. 


Why was the guy going to his van with a gun drawn on him with "his kids in there". What a stupid thing to do even if the cops were wrong for drawing their guns. 

My point was as a father I would protect my kids from this situation. My instinct would be to get the "bad" cop away from my kids. When I say bad cop I am saying what the guy that had a gun pointed at him for doing nothing wrong probably felt that way. There is not a chance in hell I would be going to my van knowing thats where my kids where I would be going in the opposite direction especially if I did not trust the cop. 

I also want to clarify that during this video I do think he was wrong for going to his van. I still stand by my comment however that the cop should not have let it get to the point that they had a "justifiable" shooting.  

I can agree with all that. Which was similar to my earlier point and I don't see that as victim blaming.

it's the same, in my opinion, as telling women to stop wearing short skirts out in public if they want to avoid rape. it's putting the onus on the victim to stop the illegal behaviour of the perpetrator, which is classified as victim blaming. 

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LeBron James calls guns a ‘huge issue’ after Jacob Blake shooting: ‘We think you’re hunting us’

August 25, 2020 at 2:26 a.m. EDT

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KISSIMMEE, Fla. — The shooting of Jacob Blake led Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James to directly question the police officers’ behavior and to refer to guns as “a major issue in America.”

Blake, an unarmed Black man, was shot by police in Kenosha, Wis., on Sunday in an incident that was captured on video that was shared widely on social media.

James, who has participated in kneeling demonstrations and spoken out repeatedly against police brutality while competing at the NBA’s Disney World bubble, used his postgame news conference Monday to speak at length about the shooting and the role of firearms in American society.

“Quite frankly, it’s just f---ed up in our community,” James said after scoring 30 points to lead the Lakers past the Portland Trail Blazers, 135-115, in Game 4 of their first-round playoff series. “We are scared as Black people in America. Black men, Black women, Black kids, we are terrified. You have no idea how that cop left the house. You don’t know if he woke up on the good side of the bed or the wrong side of the bed. You don’t know if he had an argument at home with his significant other or one of his kids said something crazy and he left the house steaming. Maybe he just left the house saying, ‘Today is going to be the end for one of these Black people.’ That’s what it feels like. It just hurts.”

In the video, Blake walked toward the driver’s side of the vehicle and attempted to enter the driver’s seat as multiple officers followed him. As he sat down, he was shot multiple times in the back with three of his children inside the car. Blake remained in serious condition at a hospital Monday, and the officers involved were placed on administrative leave.

“If you’re sitting here telling me that there was no way to subdue that gentleman or detain him before the firing of guns, then you’re sitting here lying not only to me, but you’re lying to every Black person in the community,” James said. “We see it over and over and over. If you watch the video, there was multiple moments where they could have tackled him or grabbed him. They could have done that. Why does it always have to get to a point where we see the guns firing?

“His family is there, his kids are there, it’s broad daylight. Seven shots at close range, and he’s still alive. That’s through the grace of God right there. My prayers go out to that family and that community, but I’ve got nothing nice to say about those cops at all.”

Over the past two months, James has spoken repeatedly about the police shootings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, including advocating for the arrest of the Louisville police officers who shot Taylor while she slept at her home. James widened his lens Monday, suggesting that aspiring police officers should go through longer and more extensive training before joining the force and highlighting the role of guns in these incidents.

“I think firearms are a huge issue in America,” James said. “I don’t know how you clean that up. I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers. Guns are a huge issue in America. They’re not just used for hunting, like a lot of people do for sport. For Black people right now, when you’re hunting, we think you’re hunting us.”

This isn’t the first time James has broached the gun control issue. He responded to a 2015 school shooting by saying, “there’s no room for guns.”

At All-Star Weekend in 2018, James addressed a school shooting in Parkland, Fla., by asking rhetorically, “How can a kid who can’t buy a beer go and buy an AR-15?”

“We’ve seen … these tragedies in America, and there’s been no change to gun control,” James said, according to the Sun-Sentinel. “I don’t have the answers right now. But we have to do something about it.”

To underscore the persistent fear of police he believes Black people feel, James described watching a recent video of a child who was shooting baskets when a police officer drove past. Rather than continue playing, the child hid behind a truck to avoid an interaction with the police.

“That s--- is sad,” James said Monday. “No kid should have to feel that threatened that he has to hide at his own house. That’s sad. I know what he’s going through. I was one of those kids. When I lived in the projects, when I saw a cop going, we hid behind a brick wall and waited for it to roll out. If we saw the cop’s lights go on, we ran, even if we didn’t do anything wrong. We were just scared.”

James, who has launched a nonprofit organization called “More Than a Vote” campaign to increase voter participation, repeated his calls for people to engage with the political process by voting in the upcoming presidential election. Earlier this month, James dismissed President Trump’s criticisms of the NBA’s national anthem demonstrations and said that the election was a “big moment for us as Americans.”

“We want change,” James said Monday. “It doesn’t end in November, but it starts there. We have to keep our foot on the pedal then even if we get what we want.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/25/lebron-james-calls-guns-huge-issue-after-jacob-blake-shooting-we-think-youre-hunting-us/?hpid=hp_sports1-8-12_lebron-440am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

I guess someone should tell him that if he just complies, everything will be fine. Well, most of the time. Or at least some of the time. 

It's a shame that the media pushes it so far that a highly admired athlete thinks that black people are being hunted.

That worries me.  That Lebron thinks that people are being hunted down and killed...  For this reason alone I would like reform or education to be taken seriously.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LeBron James calls guns a ‘huge issue’ after Jacob Blake shooting: ‘We think you’re hunting us’

August 25, 2020 at 2:26 a.m. EDT

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KISSIMMEE, Fla. — The shooting of Jacob Blake led Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James to directly question the police officers’ behavior and to refer to guns as “a major issue in America.”

Blake, an unarmed Black man, was shot by police in Kenosha, Wis., on Sunday in an incident that was captured on video that was shared widely on social media.

James, who has participated in kneeling demonstrations and spoken out repeatedly against police brutality while competing at the NBA’s Disney World bubble, used his postgame news conference Monday to speak at length about the shooting and the role of firearms in American society.

“Quite frankly, it’s just f---ed up in our community,” James said after scoring 30 points to lead the Lakers past the Portland Trail Blazers, 135-115, in Game 4 of their first-round playoff series. “We are scared as Black people in America. Black men, Black women, Black kids, we are terrified. You have no idea how that cop left the house. You don’t know if he woke up on the good side of the bed or the wrong side of the bed. You don’t know if he had an argument at home with his significant other or one of his kids said something crazy and he left the house steaming. Maybe he just left the house saying, ‘Today is going to be the end for one of these Black people.’ That’s what it feels like. It just hurts.”

In the video, Blake walked toward the driver’s side of the vehicle and attempted to enter the driver’s seat as multiple officers followed him. As he sat down, he was shot multiple times in the back with three of his children inside the car. Blake remained in serious condition at a hospital Monday, and the officers involved were placed on administrative leave.

“If you’re sitting here telling me that there was no way to subdue that gentleman or detain him before the firing of guns, then you’re sitting here lying not only to me, but you’re lying to every Black person in the community,” James said. “We see it over and over and over. If you watch the video, there was multiple moments where they could have tackled him or grabbed him. They could have done that. Why does it always have to get to a point where we see the guns firing?

“His family is there, his kids are there, it’s broad daylight. Seven shots at close range, and he’s still alive. That’s through the grace of God right there. My prayers go out to that family and that community, but I’ve got nothing nice to say about those cops at all.”

Over the past two months, James has spoken repeatedly about the police shootings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, including advocating for the arrest of the Louisville police officers who shot Taylor while she slept at her home. James widened his lens Monday, suggesting that aspiring police officers should go through longer and more extensive training before joining the force and highlighting the role of guns in these incidents.

“I think firearms are a huge issue in America,” James said. “I don’t know how you clean that up. I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers. Guns are a huge issue in America. They’re not just used for hunting, like a lot of people do for sport. For Black people right now, when you’re hunting, we think you’re hunting us.”

This isn’t the first time James has broached the gun control issue. He responded to a 2015 school shooting by saying, “there’s no room for guns.”

At All-Star Weekend in 2018, James addressed a school shooting in Parkland, Fla., by asking rhetorically, “How can a kid who can’t buy a beer go and buy an AR-15?”

“We’ve seen … these tragedies in America, and there’s been no change to gun control,” James said, according to the Sun-Sentinel. “I don’t have the answers right now. But we have to do something about it.”

To underscore the persistent fear of police he believes Black people feel, James described watching a recent video of a child who was shooting baskets when a police officer drove past. Rather than continue playing, the child hid behind a truck to avoid an interaction with the police.

“That s--- is sad,” James said Monday. “No kid should have to feel that threatened that he has to hide at his own house. That’s sad. I know what he’s going through. I was one of those kids. When I lived in the projects, when I saw a cop going, we hid behind a brick wall and waited for it to roll out. If we saw the cop’s lights go on, we ran, even if we didn’t do anything wrong. We were just scared.”

James, who has launched a nonprofit organization called “More Than a Vote” campaign to increase voter participation, repeated his calls for people to engage with the political process by voting in the upcoming presidential election. Earlier this month, James dismissed President Trump’s criticisms of the NBA’s national anthem demonstrations and said that the election was a “big moment for us as Americans.”

“We want change,” James said Monday. “It doesn’t end in November, but it starts there. We have to keep our foot on the pedal then even if we get what we want.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/25/lebron-james-calls-guns-huge-issue-after-jacob-blake-shooting-we-think-youre-hunting-us/?hpid=hp_sports1-8-12_lebron-440am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

I guess someone should tell him that if he just complies, everything will be fine. Well, most of the time. Or at least some of the time. 

It's a shame that the media pushes it so far that a highly admired athlete thinks that black people are being hunted.

That worries me.  That Lebron thinks that people are being hunted down and killed...  For this reason alone I would like reform or education to be taken seriously.

i highly doubt his opinion on being black in america is formed by the media

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LeBron James calls guns a ‘huge issue’ after Jacob Blake shooting: ‘We think you’re hunting us’

August 25, 2020 at 2:26 a.m. EDT

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KISSIMMEE, Fla. — The shooting of Jacob Blake led Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James to directly question the police officers’ behavior and to refer to guns as “a major issue in America.”

Blake, an unarmed Black man, was shot by police in Kenosha, Wis., on Sunday in an incident that was captured on video that was shared widely on social media.

James, who has participated in kneeling demonstrations and spoken out repeatedly against police brutality while competing at the NBA’s Disney World bubble, used his postgame news conference Monday to speak at length about the shooting and the role of firearms in American society.

“Quite frankly, it’s just f---ed up in our community,” James said after scoring 30 points to lead the Lakers past the Portland Trail Blazers, 135-115, in Game 4 of their first-round playoff series. “We are scared as Black people in America. Black men, Black women, Black kids, we are terrified. You have no idea how that cop left the house. You don’t know if he woke up on the good side of the bed or the wrong side of the bed. You don’t know if he had an argument at home with his significant other or one of his kids said something crazy and he left the house steaming. Maybe he just left the house saying, ‘Today is going to be the end for one of these Black people.’ That’s what it feels like. It just hurts.”

In the video, Blake walked toward the driver’s side of the vehicle and attempted to enter the driver’s seat as multiple officers followed him. As he sat down, he was shot multiple times in the back with three of his children inside the car. Blake remained in serious condition at a hospital Monday, and the officers involved were placed on administrative leave.

“If you’re sitting here telling me that there was no way to subdue that gentleman or detain him before the firing of guns, then you’re sitting here lying not only to me, but you’re lying to every Black person in the community,” James said. “We see it over and over and over. If you watch the video, there was multiple moments where they could have tackled him or grabbed him. They could have done that. Why does it always have to get to a point where we see the guns firing?

“His family is there, his kids are there, it’s broad daylight. Seven shots at close range, and he’s still alive. That’s through the grace of God right there. My prayers go out to that family and that community, but I’ve got nothing nice to say about those cops at all.”

Over the past two months, James has spoken repeatedly about the police shootings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, including advocating for the arrest of the Louisville police officers who shot Taylor while she slept at her home. James widened his lens Monday, suggesting that aspiring police officers should go through longer and more extensive training before joining the force and highlighting the role of guns in these incidents.

“I think firearms are a huge issue in America,” James said. “I don’t know how you clean that up. I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers. Guns are a huge issue in America. They’re not just used for hunting, like a lot of people do for sport. For Black people right now, when you’re hunting, we think you’re hunting us.”

This isn’t the first time James has broached the gun control issue. He responded to a 2015 school shooting by saying, “there’s no room for guns.”

At All-Star Weekend in 2018, James addressed a school shooting in Parkland, Fla., by asking rhetorically, “How can a kid who can’t buy a beer go and buy an AR-15?”

“We’ve seen … these tragedies in America, and there’s been no change to gun control,” James said, according to the Sun-Sentinel. “I don’t have the answers right now. But we have to do something about it.”

To underscore the persistent fear of police he believes Black people feel, James described watching a recent video of a child who was shooting baskets when a police officer drove past. Rather than continue playing, the child hid behind a truck to avoid an interaction with the police.

“That s--- is sad,” James said Monday. “No kid should have to feel that threatened that he has to hide at his own house. That’s sad. I know what he’s going through. I was one of those kids. When I lived in the projects, when I saw a cop going, we hid behind a brick wall and waited for it to roll out. If we saw the cop’s lights go on, we ran, even if we didn’t do anything wrong. We were just scared.”

James, who has launched a nonprofit organization called “More Than a Vote” campaign to increase voter participation, repeated his calls for people to engage with the political process by voting in the upcoming presidential election. Earlier this month, James dismissed President Trump’s criticisms of the NBA’s national anthem demonstrations and said that the election was a “big moment for us as Americans.”

“We want change,” James said Monday. “It doesn’t end in November, but it starts there. We have to keep our foot on the pedal then even if we get what we want.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/25/lebron-james-calls-guns-huge-issue-after-jacob-blake-shooting-we-think-youre-hunting-us/?hpid=hp_sports1-8-12_lebron-440am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

I guess someone should tell him that if he just complies, everything will be fine. Well, most of the time. Or at least some of the time. 

It's a shame that the media pushes it so far that a highly admired athlete thinks that black people are being hunted.

That worries me.  That Lebron thinks that people are being hunted down and killed...  For this reason alone I would like reform or education to be taken seriously.

Jesus dude, have you already forgotten Ahmaud Arbery? 

Parksy