As a Canadian, this Scottish referendum has definitely caught my attention. If Scotland successfully obtains its independence I can see it spurring on the separatist movement in Quebec. It wouldn't surprise me if Scotland's independence ended up being the impetus for Quebec to finally cut ties with the rest of us living in Canada.
What's interesting in my Home state of Western Australia we've had three Referendums to succeed.
This thread is ridiculously one sided and biased. There was appalling behaviour on both sides, not just the No campaign.
And for those people who are saying the NO voters were bullied into it, get the fuck over yourselves and have some respect for your fellow countrymen, the majority of whom made an intelligent decision based on the facts that were presented to them. That goes for YES and NO voters, the Scottish people did Scotland proud turning out in huge numbers like that. Unfortunately, both sore losers and sore winners are getting more press than the vast number of people who voted with their conscience and with their heads screwed on tight.
The referendum was widely praised as one of the most peaceful, if not the most peaceful, democratic campaign for independence in world history.
The No campaign referred to their referendum strategy as Project Fear'. If you had been following the debate with any interest you would know this.
Their key tactic was to frighten and bully people into voting no. In particular the elderly who they repeatedly told disgusting lies to regarding the security of their pensions despite the Department for Works and Pensions stating that pension would be secure in the event of a Yes vote.
Out of interest did you have a vote in the referendum?
The result was never in doubt. No campaign had it all going for them, main political parties, nearly all major media outlets, fear tactics etc....
and plus, it must be said, on the whole people are very wary with respect to change, and this would have involved big big change, no matter what people said on the street, when in the booth it is a whole diff game.
any way lots of promises made, ala devolution.... let's see if it all comes to fruition. On a side note, I think it certainly showed Scottish people the value of the current deal they had, in that hours before the vote they were promised a whole raft of change to buy their continued servitude, perhaps demonstrating the shitness of their current deal.
Now the vote is done, parties are already attempting to stall on their promises, will anything change, based on history of promises from Britain.......in short, no.
have to say puts a whole new spin on any further viewings of Braveheart, on Mel breaks into his many cries of FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will be met swiftly by a "Me Arse" from myself while I eat my tv dinner from the comfort of my couch, scratching my balls with the remote.
The referendum was widely praised as one of the most peaceful, if not the most peaceful, democratic campaign for independence in world history.
The No campaign referred to their referendum strategy as Project Fear'. If you had been following the debate with any interest you would know this.
Their key tactic was to frighten and bully people into voting no. In particular the elderly who they repeatedly told disgusting lies to regarding the security of their pensions despite the Department for Works and Pensions stating that pension would be secure in the event of a Yes vote.
Out of interest did you have a vote in the referendum?
No I didn't, and I would have been happy to accept the outcome whichever way it went.
But you oversimplify the issues to an absurd degree. One can just as easily say that the SNP had no good answers to the big economic questions, and based their campaign on flag waving happy clappy bullshit, and THAT is why people voted NO.
Of course, that would be as pathetic a simplification of the facts as you are attempting, because the fact is, the referendum was settled before it started. Before this all kicked off support for independence polled at only about 30%. There's no great historical desire for independence, and the YES campaign made most of their gains right at the end of the campaign, because the NO campaign saw the writing on the wall and put their feet up.
But yeah, 56% of the people of Scotland are mindless idiots, who allowed themselves to be bullied into voting a way that 70% of Scotland would have voted just a few years ago. Real nice attitude you've got there.
Fact is, the people of Scotland spoke, and they spoke loud, 56 - 44% is not a slim majority, in fact is is a bigger margin of the popular vote than any American president has won by since Reagan. Your side lost, get over it already and stop trying to cause ructions, Scotland needs stability now, not infighting.
Pingfah, I haven't seen PJ_Honey attempting to cause ructions. We're all allowed to feel passionately about the governance of our countries and to discuss that, but PJ_Honey has been nothing but polite in expressing those views. You have different views and that's fine. I'm curious as to why you didn't vote, though - were you eligible and chose not to, or not eligible?
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And for those people who are saying the NO voters were bullied into it, get the fuck over yourselves and have some respect for your fellow countrymen, the majority of whom made an intelligent decision based on the facts that were presented to them. That goes for YES and NO voters, the Scottish people did Scotland proud turning out in huge numbers like that. Unfortunately, both sore losers and sore winners are getting more press than the vast number of people who voted with their conscience and with their heads screwed on tight.
The referendum was widely praised as one of the most peaceful, if not the most peaceful, democratic campaign for independence in world history.
The No campaign referred to their referendum strategy as Project Fear'. If you had been following the debate with any interest you would know this.
Their key tactic was to frighten and bully people into voting no. In particular the elderly who they repeatedly told disgusting lies to regarding the security of their pensions despite the Department for Works and Pensions stating that pension would be secure in the event of a Yes vote.
Out of interest did you have a vote in the referendum?
and plus, it must be said, on the whole people are very wary with respect to change, and this would have involved big big change, no matter what people said on the street, when in the booth it is a whole diff game.
any way lots of promises made, ala devolution.... let's see if it all comes to fruition. On a side note, I think it certainly showed Scottish people the value of the current deal they had, in that hours before the vote they were promised a whole raft of change to buy their continued servitude, perhaps demonstrating the shitness of their current deal.
Now the vote is done, parties are already attempting to stall on their promises, will anything change, based on history of promises from Britain.......in short, no.
have to say puts a whole new spin on any further viewings of Braveheart, on Mel breaks into his many cries of FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will be met swiftly by a "Me Arse" from myself while I eat my tv dinner from the comfort of my couch, scratching my balls with the remote.
But you oversimplify the issues to an absurd degree. One can just as easily say that the SNP had no good answers to the big economic questions, and based their campaign on flag waving happy clappy bullshit, and THAT is why people voted NO.
Of course, that would be as pathetic a simplification of the facts as you are attempting, because the fact is, the referendum was settled before it started. Before this all kicked off support for independence polled at only about 30%. There's no great historical desire for independence, and the YES campaign made most of their gains right at the end of the campaign, because the NO campaign saw the writing on the wall and put their feet up.
But yeah, 56% of the people of Scotland are mindless idiots, who allowed themselves to be bullied into voting a way that 70% of Scotland would have voted just a few years ago. Real nice attitude you've got there.
Fact is, the people of Scotland spoke, and they spoke loud, 56 - 44% is not a slim majority, in fact is is a bigger margin of the popular vote than any American president has won by since Reagan. Your side lost, get over it already and stop trying to cause ructions, Scotland needs stability now, not infighting.