Scottish Independence - Thoughts of those eligible to vote in the referendum

rr165892

I heard today the big nuke sub base/headquarters would have to go with independence.Is that true or would they work something out.

mickeyrat

rr165892 said:

I heard today the big nuke sub base/headquarters would have to go with independence.Is that true or would they work something out.

I'd wager a deal would be brokered. $ boon for Scotland along with the jobs that go with.

unsung

PJ_HONEY said:

No worries. We're a country but not a sovereign nation and haven't been since 1707.

In order to be able to vote you just have to be resident in Scotland.

The pros and cons of independence have been argued over for decades in Scotland.

I'm bias in that I support a Yes vote so not sure I could give you the most objective view on how that debate is going.

I think independence as an individual and a nation is preferable to dependency though.

How has independence worked out for the USA is probably the question I would ask? Should the USA be an independent country? I would say Yes and I'm glad it is.

I believe we should go back to how the Founders intended it to be, sovereign states with a general govt to represent us internationally. The general govt is not supposed to rule over the states, quite the opposite really.

That said I support secession and independence for all.

oftenreading

PJ_HONEY said:

Pingfah,

I don't think it's paranoid.

I think the influence of establishment figures in British politics and society is widely accepted. The establishment includes the royal family.

I'm not a huge fan of the BBC but here's a recent article in point that suggests they must be paranoid too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28066081

In particular the article states that:

Former prime minister Sir John Major also told the documentary that he changed policies after discussing them with the Queen.

Somehow I missed this thread earlier, so I apologize for going back to an old comment, but I don't think we need to assume something nefarious about John Major making changes to his policies after discussion with the Queen. While I'm not a fan of the monarchy overall, I do think the Queen is an intelligent woman who has seen and done more in her time on the throne that John Major or any prime minister since him has done. She's traveled most of the world, spoken with political leaders of all stripes, and lived in the public eye all her life. I don't find it hard to believe she may have a useful comment or relevant observation.

i_lov_it

I've seen a couple of stories now on this Referendum and they were saying will the People of Scotland vote with there Heads or there Hearts...as long as it's not based on Ego but rather on what's best for Scotland.

lukin2006

blueandwhite said:

As a Canadian, this Scottish referendum has definitely caught my attention. If Scotland successfully obtains its independence I can see it spurring on the separatist movement in Quebec. It wouldn't surprise me if Scotland's independence ended up being the impetus for Quebec to finally cut ties with the rest of us living in Canada.

Quebec will never separate ... they get about 7 billion a year in equalization payments ... they never been a net contributor to the program ... instead Quebec will do what Quebec has always done, keep using the threat of them leaving so we keep giving them more $$$ ... personally they can go if they what ...

Idris

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PJ_Soul

I'm not a voter but still want to comment.

Canada went through this with Quebec (twice!). I remember for the last one in 1995 everyone gathered in the pubs and were watching the results coverage all day on the edge of their seats as the numbers were updated. It was such a nail-biter that everyone was making spontaneous bets, lol! Obviously the separatists lost, but barely. The NO side won by only 0.58%. @-)

As for Scotland.... My heritage is Scottish, Welsh, and English. I guess emotionally I literally don't care, since it would be cool if Scotland were independent theoretically, but it's also alright that my heritage is pure "UK", lol! Anyway, what I do wonder is just how Scotland thinks it would be more beneficial for them economically. I don't claim to know much about that, but in a general sense I have trouble imagining it would be good for the Scottish people financially or logistically.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

blueandwhite said:

As a Canadian, this Scottish referendum has definitely caught my attention. If Scotland successfully obtains its independence I can see it spurring on the separatist movement in Quebec. It wouldn't surprise me if Scotland's independence ended up being the impetus for Quebec to finally cut ties with the rest of us living in Canada.

Quebec will never separate ... they get about 7 billion a year in equalization payments ... they never been a net contributor to the program ... instead Quebec will do what Quebec has always done, keep using the threat of them leaving so we keep giving them more $$$ ... personally they can go if they what ...

Agree. They will never separate at this point. Quebec has too much given to them by the Federal government, and yes, all that shit is just a political ploy now. I think the Quebec separatists who actually still want separation are just harping on a pipe dream. I don't even know why they still want it. There is NO way it would benefit anything in Quebec other than some French-Canadian egos.

PJ_HONEY

Thanks all for commenting.

Today, for the first time ever, the people of Scotland were given an opportunity to choose whether they wanted Scotland to become an independent country.

I voted Yes. Proudest day of my life.

Thank you to all those who fought so hard to make this day possible.

dignin

PJ_HONEY said:

Thanks all for commenting.

Today, for the first time ever, the people of Scotland were given an opportunity to choose whether they wanted Scotland to become an independent country.

I voted Yes. Proudest day of my life.

Thank you to all those who fought so hard to make this day possible.

Good luck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk#t=94

SD48277

Any word yet, or is it too soon to tell?

JimmyV

CNN with another fail...

Jason P

They should have settled this with a Highlands Games, arm wrestling, and some contest that involved copious amounts of booze.

JimmyV said:

CNN with another fail...

The Scots were giving 110% in this vote. There is no quit in this team.

badbrains

Soooooo, does the US get involved now and play world police and free all Scots? When does that war start? I kid, but yes, Scotland should be free. Just like every country deserves to be.

oftenreading

Sorry to hear the result of the vote was not as you had wished, PJ_Honey. Congrats, though, on the huge voter turn-out and the close race. Slainte!

PJ_HONEY

Thanks all.

Very sad today but strangely resolute to carry the fight forward,

On the No side stood big business, the coalition government, Labour, the BBC, and every single British newspaper with the exception of the Sunday Herald. All of them stood shoulder to shoulder with the sectarian bigots of the orange order,, the racist fascist BNP, EDL and SDL, and the xenophobic UKIP.

All of the above combined against the Yes side comprised of Scottish nationalists, Socialists, the Green Party and countless grass roots activists campaigning for a fairer, more just and socially inclusive Scotland. Anti-Austerity, anti-nuclear, pro immigration.

.....and we almost fucking did it!

The fight continues and we only need to win once :-)

blueandwhite

I'm sorry for those of you in Scotland who voted "Yes". I know that this was a major moment in your history and a "No" vote must have been a huge letdown.

Having said that, I'm very interested to know what's next for Scotland? With the No side earning a narrow victory, what do Scots want from the rest of the UK? It seems that even the No side wants to see changes. Are we talking about a move towards federalism or something different? I don't know that much about UK politics but it would seem to me that England is far too large relative to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Is it possible that England could be broken into smaller regions (states) in order to give other parts of the UK a clearer voice?

How does Scotland fit into the rest of the United Kingdom after a referendum like this?

badbrains

PJ_HONEY said:

Thanks all.

Very sad today but strangely resolute to carry the fight forward,

On the No side stood big business, the coalition government, Labour, the BBC, and every single British newspaper with the exception of the Sunday Herald. All of them stood shoulder to shoulder with the sectarian bigots of the orange order,, the racist fascist BNP, EDL and SDL, and the xenophobic UKIP.

All of the above combined against the Yes side comprised of Scottish nationalists, Socialists, the Green Party and countless grass roots activists campaigning for a fairer, more just and socially inclusive Scotland. Anti-Austerity, anti-nuclear, pro immigration.

.....and we almost fucking did it!

The fight continues and we only need to win once :-)

Man, I so fucken wish u guys got your freedom. That sux man. How can people vote no? Answer, they DIDNT! Big business DID, and what a fucken shocker. Straight bullshit! Keep trying and just like you said, it only takes ONCE! Make it happen Scotland! You deserve to make your own decisions and live free!

PJ_HONEY

The No side promised more powers if we voted against independence.

They are already reneging on their promises and did exactly the same thing following the first referendum for devolution in 1979:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/keep-em-peeled/

Ugly scences in Glasgow also. Notice the salutes:

https://twitter.com/winstonsmith121/status/513077327103033345/photo/1