5 Broken Cameras - Palestinian Documentary

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited July 2014 in A Moving Train
This documentary shows the racism, violence, and theft of land, that Palestinians are subjected to on a daily basis. Pretty sickening when you consider that Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign is being largely funded by U.S tax payers.

'The film was nominated for an Oscar, and won the World Cinema Directing Award at the 2012 Sundance Film Festival. The film also received the Special Broadcaster IDFA Audience Award and the Special Jury Award at the International Documentary Film Festival Amsterdam in 2011.

The film won the Golden Apricot at the 2012 Yerevan International Film Festival, for Best Documentary Film, the Van Leer Group Foundation Award for Best Israeli Documentary at the Jerusalem Film Festival in 2012, and the Busan Cinephile Award at the Pusan International Film Festival in 2012. It was nominated for Best Documentary Feature at the 85th Academy Awards Nominated for Best Documentary Feature in the 85th Academy Awards, and for the Asia Pacific Screen Award for Best Documentary of 2012.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K-mGWy9iUg

There are five cameras — each with its own story. When his fourth son, Gibreel, is born in 2005, self-taught cameraman Emad Burnat, a Palestinian villager, gets his first camera. At the same time in his village of Bil’in, the Israelis begin bulldozing village olive groves to build a barrier to separate Bil'in from the Jewish Settlement Modi'in Illit. The barrier's route cuts off 60% of Bil'in farmland and the villagers resist this seizure of more of their land by the settlers.
For the next year, Burnat films this struggle, which is led by two of his best friends, while at the same time recording the growth of his son. Very soon, these events begin to affect his family and his own life. Emad films the Army and Police beating and arresting villagers and activists who come to support them. Settlers destroy Palestinian olive trees and attack Burnat when he tries to film them. The Army raids the village in the middle of the night to arrest children. He, his friends, and brothers are arrested or shot; some are killed. Each camera used to document these events is shot or smashed.
Eventually, in 2009, Burnat approaches Guy Davidi – an Israeli filmmaker and together, from these five broken cameras and the stories that they represent, these two filmmakers create the film.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    My solution, for what it's worth, defund all sides 10% per year for 10 years, putting them all on notice. Nations that trade together and cooperate for a common good, live in peace. Simplistic and unrealistic, I know. One can dream.

    I don't mean any disrespect to either side but enough is enough. It's the 21st century for crying out loud.

    Peace.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014

    My solution, for what it's worth, defund all sides 10% per year for 10 years, putting them all on notice. Nations that trade together and cooperate for a common good, live in peace. Simplistic and unrealistic, I know. One can dream.

    I don't mean any disrespect to either side but enough is enough. It's the 21st century for crying out loud.

    Peace.

    Why don't you watch the film first and then make a comment?

    Why do you think that a people subjected to an illegal occupation deserve to be further punished?

    As for 'defundng' both sides, the U.S isn't giving $4Billion every year to the Palestinians. The Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed and terrorized on a daily basis, and the U.S stands alone as the only country in the World that supports this. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not a level playing field.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    I will watch the film when my attention is better apt to absorb the content. I'm just frustrated with the current cluster and I'm well aware of how much we subsidize one side over the other and know full well it's not a level playing field. Hasn't been since well before 1948. I'm sickened by current events.

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    "Five Broken Cameras" screened to Israeli youth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1wEszQYEzg
  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    Looks like a worthwhile movie to watch. Wish you would give the ethnic cleansing nonsense a rest. The brutal realities of the occupation are quite awful enough without your embellishments.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
    'Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of creating a territory inhabited by people of a homogeneous or pure ethnicity, religion, culture, and history. The forces applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), as well as mass murder, and intimidation.

    Ethnic cleansing is usually accompanied with the efforts to remove physical and cultural evidence of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction of homes, social centers, farms, and infrastructure, and by the desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and places of worship.'


    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/uk-palestinian-israel-un-idUKBREA2K1JM20140321
    (Reuters) - A U.N. human rights investigator accused Israel on Friday of "ethnic cleansing" in pushing Palestinians out of East Jerusalem and cast doubt that the Israeli government could accept a Palestinian state in the current climate.

    He spoke against a backdrop of deadlocked peace talks and accelerating Israeli settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem which Palestinians say is dimming their hope of establishing a viable state on contiguous territory.
    Richard Falk, United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, told a news conference that Israeli policies bore "unacceptable characteristics of colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing".
    "Every increment of enlarging the settlements or every incident of house demolition is a way of worsening the situation confronting the Palestinian people and reducing what prospects they might have as the outcome of supposed peace negotiations."
    Asked about his accusation of ethnic cleansing, Falk said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits.


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/29/britons-protest-israel-plan-remove-palestinian-bedouin
    Britons protest over Israel plan to remove up to 70,000 Palestinian Bedouins

    More than 50 public figures including Antony Gormley and Brian Eno put names to letter opposing expulsion from historic land
    Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
    The Guardian, Friday 29 November 2013


    More than 50 public figures in Britain, including high-profile artists, musicians and writers, have put their names to a letter opposing an Israeli plan to forcibly remove up to 70,000 Palestinian Bedouins from their historic desert land – an act condemned by critics as ethnic cleansing.

    ...The eviction and destruction of about 35 "unrecognised" villages in the Negev desert will, the letter says, "mean the forced displacement of Palestinians from their homes and land, and systematic discrimination and separation".

    The population of these villages will be removed to designated towns, while plans for new Jewish settlements in the area are enacted.

    ...Adalah, a human rights and legal centre for Arabs in Israel, says: "The real purpose of the legislation [is] the complete and final severance of the Bedouin's historical ties to their land."
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  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    I don't want to derail the thread. Briefly, I think Falk's statements are a massive bit of hyperbole. Both of these cases may very well be deplorable, but I don't think they can responsibly be described as rising to ethnic cleansing.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Benny Morris (Hebrew: בני מוריס; born 8 December 1948) is an Israeli professor of History in the Middle East Studies department of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in the city of Beersheba, Israel.
    ...Regarding himself as a Zionist, he writes, "I embarked upon the research not out of ideological commitment or political interest. I simply wanted to know what happened."

    http://www.haaretz.com/survival-of-the-fittest-1.61345
    Survival of the fittest
    Historian Benny Morris, who opened the Pandora's box of Zionism, has found a new way to deal with the demons he unleashed. He justifies the expulsion of the Arabs in 1948, bemoans the fact that the job was left unfinished and doesn't rule out future population transfers. In an interview, Morris lays out his self-described 'politically incorrect' views.
    By Ari Shavit | Jan. 8, 2004

    '...Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here...There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing. I know that this term is completely negative in the discourse of the 21st century, but when the choice is between ethnic cleansing and genocide - the annihilation of your people - I prefer ethnic cleansing."

    And that was the situation in 1948?

    "That was the situation. That is what Zionism faced. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads. It was necessary to cleanse the villages from which our convoys and our settlements were fired on."

    The term `to cleanse' is terrible.

    "I know it doesn't sound nice but that's the term they used at the time. I adopted it from all the 1948 documents in which I am immersed."
  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    You didn't use the term in relation to 1948. You used it in relation to current events.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    More ethnic cleansing 'nonsense':

    "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
    -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

    "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
    -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

    "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
    -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

    "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
    -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

    "[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
    -- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

    "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
    -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

    "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
    -- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

    "(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
    -- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

    "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
    -- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

    "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
    -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

    "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
    -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

    "If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country." - First Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    You didn't use the term in relation to 1948. You used it in relation to current events.

    Are Palestinians still being driven out of their homes today to make way for the ever-expanding Jewish-only settlements? Yes, or no?

  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    You didn't use the term in relation to 1948. You used it in relation to current events.

    Did you watch the documentary?

  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    See above.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    More ethnic cleansing 'nonsense':

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israel-steps-forced-evictions-west-bank-palestinians-2010-07-01
    'According to the UN, in 2009 more than 600 Palestinians – over half of them children – lost their homes after they were demolished on order from the Israeli authorities.'

    11th September 2013: http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE15/013/2013/en/0ec8aa4e-1524-4b77-b9d2-4437f43dd231/mde150132013en.pdf
    'Some 1,000 Palestinians living in the south of the occupied West Bank, nearly half of
    them children, are still facing forced eviction by the Israeli army; the Israeli High Court of
    Justice did not rule in favour of their rights.'


    http://palsolidarity.org/2013/01/palestinian-village-of-bab-alshams-violently-evicted/
    Palestinian village of Bab Alshams violently evicted
    Press Releases January 13, 2013


    Although established on privately owned Palestinian lands, Israel forcefully expelled residents of the village in a pre-dawn raid this morning. Six required medical attention.
    Shortly before 3 am, hundreds of Israeli policemen and soldiers staged a raid on the newly founded Palestinian village of Bab Alshams (Gate of the Sun), violently evicting its 150 inhabitants. Use of police brutality is even more objectionable in light of the passive resistance offered by the residents. No arrests were made, and all persons detained were released shortly after.
    In light of harsh international criticism over the plan to expand the Ma’aleh Edomim settlement, and in an attempt to draw away attention from the case, eviction took place early this morning. Following its arrival at the scene, a massive police force began by removing journalists from the residents’ immediate surroundings and proceeded to drag people away, beating some of them. Six Palestinians later required medical care at the Ramallah Hospital...

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.539057
    Eviction of 1,300 Palestinians necessary to save IDF time, money
    State responds to two High Court petitions to stop planned evacuation of eight villages in south Hebron hills.
    By Amira Hass | Aug 1st, 2013

    The state wants to evict 1,300 Palestinians from their homes in an army firing zone in the West Bank in part because training there saves the Israel Defense Forces time and money, according to the state’s response to two petitions against the mass eviction.

    The petitioners’ lawyers – Tamar Feldman and Maskit Bendel, both of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, and Shlomo Lecker – dispute the state’s claim that the villagers aren’t permanent
residents of the area. They say the villagers have maintained a traditional lifestyle there for generations, tending their herds and working the land, while also maintaining social, familial and economic ties with their mother town of Yatta.

    The petitioners also submitted a legal opinion by senior Israeli jurists who argue that evicting the villagers would violate international law and could constitute grounds for indictment in the International Criminal Court.
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  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    All bad. Not ethnic cleansing.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    yosi said:

    All bad. Not ethnic cleansing.

    So it's just bad? Looks like cleansing to me. Lots of big names on those posts telling it pretty crystal clear about what to do and what they want to do.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited July 2014
    And I saw the doc last year. Should've won an oscar instead of searching for sugar man.

    I also believe I read that they tried to stop entry for the guy who made the doc. Wonder why????
    And if it wasn't for that anti-Semite Michael Moore, he wouldn't have entered the country for the oscars. Thanks mr Moore.
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  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    I'm sorry that my language isn't extreme enough to suit you. And yes, big names, talking about events in 1948, not today. Kind of disingenuous, is it not, to claim ethnic cleansing in the present and then present "proof" that relates to events from 60+ years ago? Plus, you know, selective quotes presented entirely without context are kind of iffy evidence in the first place, but let's not even go there.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    All bad. Not ethnic cleansing.

    Yes it is. Read the definition of the term.

    Forcibly expelling people from their homes, stealing their land, and replacing them with members of your own ethnic group constitutes ethnic cleansing.

  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    Looks interesting
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    I'm sorry that my language isn't extreme enough to suit you. And yes, big names, talking about events in 1948, not today. Kind of disingenuous, is it not, to claim ethnic cleansing in the present and then present "proof" that relates to events from 60+ years ago? Plus, you know, selective quotes presented entirely without context are kind of iffy evidence in the first place, but let's not even go there.

    Ethnic cleansing occurred in 1948. It's been occurring ever since, slowly but surely. Look at the dates from the handful of examples I posted above: 2009, 2013.

    Do you want me to produce more examples?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/18762
    Israel issues eviction orders to 40 Palestinian families in E. Jerusalem
    Monday, February 24, 2014

    Israeli occupation forces and civil administration officers issued demolition and eviction orders to 40 Palestinian families in East Jerusalem late Sunday, the Palestinian news agency Ma’an reported.

    Popular committee spokesman Hani Halabiya told Ma'an that civil administration officers delivered the orders to families in Jabal al-Baba neighborhood in al-Ezariya.

    Families in Jabal al-Baba were ordered to leave their homes by March 3.

    Around 300 Palestinian Bedouins from Jahalin live in 22 homes made of steel, wood and tin boards, as well as tents, Halabiya said to Ma’an.

    Israel is trying to displace the community of Jabal al-Baba to expand the nearby illegal settlement of Maale Adumim that cuts through the occupied West Bank.

    Last week, Israeli forces bulldozed five homes belonging to the Bedouin al-Jahalin community in al-Eizariya, leaving 55 people homeless.

    Israeli occupation forces displaced groups of the community in east Jerusalem in the 1990s in order to make way for the Maale Adumim colony.

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/report-israels-separation-policy-and-forced-eviction-palestinians-hebron/3230
    Israel’s Separation Policy and Forced Eviction of Palestinians from Hebron
    B'Tselem
    14 May 2007


    Over the years, Israel established a number of settlement points in and around the Old City of Hebron, which had traditionally served as the commercial center for the entire southern West Bank . Israeli law-enforcement authorities and security forces have made the entire Palestinian population pay the price for protecting Israeli settlement in the city. To this end, the authorities impose a regime intentionally and openly based on the “separation principle”, as a result of which Israel created legal and physical segregation between the Israeli settlers and the Palestinian majority.

    This policy led to the economic collapse of the center of Hebron and drove many Palestinians out of the area. The findings of a survey conducted in preparation of this report show that at least 1,014 Palestinian housing units in the center of Hebron have been vacated by their occupants. This number represents 41.9 percent of the housing units in the relevant area. Sixty-five percent (659) of the empty apartments became vacant during the course of the second intifada. Regarding Palestinian commercial establishments, 1,829 are no longer open for business. This number represents 76.6 percent of all the commercial establishments in the surveyed area. Of the closed businesses, 62.4 percent (1,141) were closed during the second intifada. At least 440 of them closed pursuant to military orders.

    The main elements of Israel ‘s separation policy are the severe and extensive restrictions on Palestinian movement and the authorities’ systematic failure to enforce law and order on violent settlers attacking Palestinians. The city’s Palestinian residents also suffer as a direct result of the actions of Israel ‘s security forces.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited July 2014
    yosi said:

    I'm sorry that my language isn't extreme enough to suit you. And yes, big names, talking about events in 1948, not today. Kind of disingenuous, is it not, to claim ethnic cleansing in the present and then present "proof" that relates to events from 60+ years ago? Plus, you know, selective quotes presented entirely without context are kind of iffy evidence in the first place, but let's not even go there.

    Im sorry yosi, u can apologize and make all the excuses u want for Israel, this is ethnic cleansing and land grab. Any way u look at it. I'm an outsider looking in and see it clear as day. And yes yosi, it's clear as day.

    How can u argue with a stat like the one byrnzie posted about 1 Palestinian killed every 3 days by Israel? How can u? U can't. The destruction and murder is so one sided. And let's not forget the occupation. Your basically telling the Palestinians when they can eat,shit, and sleep. Some life you guys are offering them. I remember reading couple years ago Israel would t allow crayons into gaza, crayons! Are u fucking kidding me? Why crayons? What purpose does that serve? How does stopping crayons from coming into gaza stop terrorism? It doesn't, and you know damn well it doesn't. Let's keep all forms of happiness from the children of Palestine. What a fucken joke. And you defend these practices? Or you'll come out speaking against it but then you'll throw in a "but" to justify it. I'm not gonna get into a pissing match with you yosi, I dnt have lawyer lingo or fancy words. I do know what's right and wrong and what your Israel is doing to the Palestinians is 100% wrong, your god, my god, gF's god will all tell u that, if he/she exists.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Here's another example of ethnic cleansing 'nonsense':

    http://www.thenation.com/article/173884/israels-land-grab-east-jerusalem#
    Israel's Land Grab in East Jerusalem
    April 17, 2013


    “It’s hard living here,” Saleh Diab, a Palestinian resident, tells me. Diab lives in the heart of Sheikh Jarrah, just down the street from the ruins of the tomb. Across the street from his home, a Palestinian home is now decorated with Israeli flags, signifying its takeover by settlers, who now enjoy the lemon tree the Palestinian family before them was forced to leave behind. Next door to Diab, the front half of another house is occupied by settlers; the back half remains Palestinian. On the hill behind us, a watchtower manned by Israeli security forces surveys the neighborhood, protecting the settler minority from any violence that may occur—but doing little for the Palestinians.

    “They’re trying to kick us out,” Diab tells me, pointing to the Jewish settlements that surround his home.

    Through the building of settlements and other measures, the Jerusalem municipality has radically changed the demographic makeup of East Jerusalem from being nearly 100 percent Palestinian in 1967, when the occupation began, to only a slight, 58 percent Palestinian majority today...

    ...On the other side of the highly coveted “Holy Basin,” the traditionally Arab neighborhoods that cradle the Old City, lies Silwan, another battleground between Palestinian residents and Jewish settlers. Like Sheikh Jarrah, Silwan is the site of frequent settler violence against Palestinians.

    “I used to be a photographer, running around taking pictures of the demonstrations in Silwan,” Ahmad Qara’een, a resident, tells me. However, in 2009, he was shot in both legs by a settler. Now he moves slowly, with two crutches and a prosthetic leg. Even though the settler was arrested after the assault—an attempted murder, in Qara’een’s eyes—he was held for only two hours and then released without charge.

    The Israeli government has a $19.2 million budget (70 million shekels) for settler security in East Jerusalem alone. If Palestinians engage settlers in conversation, they risk arrest, but settlers—who freely walk the street with machine guns— almost always avoid prosecution if they open fire on Palestinians. This extreme legal impunity has been standard since the occupation began. “In Silwan, we call the settlers the militia,” Qara’een tells me.

    ...More recently, homes have been slated for demolition to make way for a multi-story Jewish cultural center that will be the last stop on the City of David tour. The plan is for the tour to start at the Visitors Center, continue through the tunnels drilled under Palestinian homes and end at the new Kedem Center—all the while oblivious to the story of the Palestinians just above them.

    There are only 400 Jewish settlers now living in Silwan—compared to 30,000 Palestinians—but Elad has shaped the neighborhood to serve this tiny minority. While there are multiple educational options for settlers, there is only one Palestinian high school. Palestinian parents who can afford to send their kids away to private schools, but many are unable to attend any kind of school. According to Qara’een, when Palestinians throw stones at soldiers and settlers—a frequent occurrence in Silwan—anyone present, regardless of age or involvement, is liable to be arrested and interrogated, even children. Meanwhile, Qara’een says he frequently sees Israeli police encourage settler children to throw stones at Palestinians.
  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    I'm not going to try to argue with you about something like the crayons. I agree, the occupation, and in the case of Gaza, the conflict, is brutal and Israel often acts in indefensible ways. Which is one of the primary reasons why it is so important for me that the conflict and the occupation end. I've never argued otherwise. I have no interest in defending Israel against legitimate criticism of its actions.
    Badbrains, I'm curious. Have you ever been to Israel/Palestine? Have you ever been to East Jerusalem? East Jerusalem is predominantly Palestinian. It is the only part of the West Bank that Israel has officially annexed to itself. When it did so it gave the Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem permanent resident status and gave them the option, which continues today, to become Israeli citizens. The vast majority of these residents have declined to claim citizenship for political reasons, which is their legitimate choice to make. But I find it incongruous to claim that Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse East Jerusalem of Palestinians when it continues to this day to hold open an offer of citizenship to them.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Interesting:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/14/opinion/la-oe-myers-israel-citizenship-arabs-20140114
    'East Jerusalem Palestinians may apply for Israeli citizenship (with no guarantee of success), but the number who have had their permanent residency revoked by the Israeli government since 1967 is as large as the number who have been successful in attaining citizenship. For this reason, Palestinians in East Jerusalem live in constant fear of losing the right to live in their homes.

    ...The situation of the Bedouin may be the most poignant, especially since they have lived in Israel's Negev since long before the state was founded. They have Israeli citizenship, but their nomadic way of life has not blended easily with the norms of a modern state. Although the ancestral lands to which they claim ownership amount to less than 5% of the Negev, many in Israel oppose granting the Bedouin rights to these lands, on which they have dwelt for centuries. Alternatively, they seek to settle them into a few pre-designed townships. Their citizenship is unquestionably second class, especially when one compares their claims to land with those of Jewish settlers, who have established illegal outposts in the West Bank that frequently gain official sanction after the fact.'
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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    Are Palestinians in East Jerusalem being driven from their homes in large numbers and replaced by illegal Israeli settlers? Yes. It's happening in East Jerusalem, and it's happening in the West Bank too.

    It's known as ethnic cleansing, as the United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, and others, have pointed out.

    'More than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits.'
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    This film is heartbreaking...I had seen footage of Bassem Abu-Rahmeh (Phil) 's death prior to the release of the documentary, but didn't put 2+2 together when watching, and didn't expect him to be murdered on camera....
    Budrus: It Takes a Village to Unite the Most Divided People on Earth is another good doc from around the same period.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    This film is heartbreaking...I had seen footage of Bassem Abu-Rahmeh (Phil) 's death prior to the release of the documentary, but didn't put 2+2 together when watching, and didn't expect him to be murdered on camera....
    Budrus: It Takes a Village to Unite the Most Divided People on Earth is another good doc from around the same period.

    And NOTHING, ZERO, SHIT was done about it. Amazing the shit they get away with. Makes you wonder
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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    This film is heartbreaking...I had seen footage of Bassem Abu-Rahmeh (Phil) 's death prior to the release of the documentary, but didn't put 2+2 together when watching, and didn't expect him to be murdered on camera....

    It is kind of amazing that in this day and age people can get away with the cold-blooded murder of unarmed protestors, even when that murder is caught on camera. It's almost guaranteed that the soldier who shot that fella at the end would have suffered no reprisals, and in fact, as in the case of the IDF Captain who emptied his entire clip into the body of a 13 year old schoolgirl http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2, he'll probably even get promoted.

    Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl
    'The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

    ...A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

    In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

    ...Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.'


    http://www.imemc.org/article/16795
    Killer of 13-year old girl receives compensation, promotion in Israeli Army
    Friday March 24, 2006


    'The killer of 13-year old Iman Al Hams, a girl who was cowering behind a stone and positively identified as a child before she was shot, and then was shot multiple times to 'confirm the kill', according to the Israeli military transcript of the incident, has received 80,000 NIS (about $15,000) compensation for the 'trouble' of having gone to court.

    ...The 13-year-old school girl was on her way to school when she was killed on October 5, 2004. Although she is just one of 850 children killed by the Israeli army since the start of the current stage of conflict in 2000, her death became one of the few that was widely publicized, due to the leak of a tape of the incident.

    ...The soldier [...] recently received a promotion to the rank of major.

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