America's Gun Violence
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Well I’m glad to see some civilized discourse going on. More so than “thoughts and prayers” or “good guys with a gun” nonsense.Maybe I should have proposed the points I made earlier as suggestions. What I was getting at is that ability for literally anyone to obtain firearms in this country is out of hand, as is the type of weaponry that is easily accessible. There needs to be changes, not everyone will like them, but so be it.Side note: I listened to a podcast this afternoon from VICE related to arming teachers (which is just safety theater). Anyways, one of the instructors at a firearm training threw this gem of a quote out there:
“ ... always remember the three P’s when interacting with people, be polite, be professional, and have a plan to kill everyone you encounter.” There was more as well. I can’t imagine going through life being that paranoid.0 -
Well said.jerparker20 said:Well I’m glad to see some civilized discourse going on. More so than “thoughts and prayers” or “good guys with a gun” nonsense.Maybe I should have proposed the points I made earlier as suggestions. What I was getting at is that ability for literally anyone to obtain firearms in this country is out of hand, as is the type of weaponry that is easily accessible. There needs to be changes, not everyone will like them, but so be it.Side note: I listened to a podcast this afternoon from VICE related to arming teachers (which is just safety theater). Anyways, one of the instructors at a firearm training threw this gem of a quote out there:
“ ... always remember the three P’s when interacting with people, be polite, be professional, and have a plan to kill everyone you encounter.” There was more as well. I can’t imagine going through life being that paranoid.0 -
Holly crap I totally missed that. Sooo sorry! I’ve been just so pissed about another shooting I was just posting without reading. 🙃cutz said:^^That's why I Posted what I did above your Post.^^
Do we have the gun laws of Today if they knew what type of guns we have today?0 -
Chicago could sure use some gun control. Damn. What the fuck is going on in this country.0
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For some context on this ruling: Judge Bybee is no pinko, hippie liberal, activist judge. He was appointed by W. Bush. His appointment was in return for being the DOJ attorney who signed off on the approval of “advanced interrogation techniques” by the CIA post 9/11.Merkin Baller said:A friend of my family clerked for him, and Bybee officiated his wedding. I spent a good 30 minutes chatting with him during the reception. Had no idea who the guy was until I got home and googled him.0 -
The gun implicated in Boulder uses the same ammunition as an AR-15. It’s legally a pistol.
Seized firearms are displayed at the San Francisco Police Department headquarters in 2019. The middle firearm is an AR-15-style pistol. The firearm on the left is an AR-15-style rifle. (Haven Daley/AP)March 24 at 8:04 PMBy Alex HortonIn a promotional video for the Ruger AR-556, a company product manager gushed that the weapon, legally designated as a pistol but closer to an AR-15 rifle in design, offered much more than a typical handgun.
The compact body features the same rail system as wildly popular AR-15-style rifles, he noted, allowing owners to attach accessories like optics and flashlights, and its short barrel makes for easy transport.
“It’s still great for all the applications of a pistol — or a rifle,” the Ruger staffer said in the 2019 video.
Two key components that help define what a rifle is, the barrel and the stock, have been altered by firearm manufacturers to circumvent existing gun laws, critics have said, producing a weapon that functions much like a rifle but is legally classified as a pistol. That affects how they are bought, sold and regulated.
The result is the AR-15-style pistol. The weapon, championed by some gun enthusiasts but relatively obscure among the general public, has become more visible following the massacre Monday in Boulder, Colo., in which a gunman killed 10 people in a grocery store.
The suspect bought a Ruger AR-556 days before the killings, police wrote in an arrest affidavit. They noted that they recovered a protective vest, a rifle and a handgun but did not say whether either was the Ruger.
What is an AR-15-style pistol?
AR-15-style pistols are a broad type of weapon that includes the Ruger. The firearms are modeled after semiautomatic rifles and have similar mechanisms.
The pistols even use the same ammunition and magazines as their AR-15-style rifle counterparts. That ammunition travels much faster and with more energy compared with common pistol rounds like the 9mm and are known to create more serious wounds, researchers and physicians have said.
AR-15-style pistols have much shorter barrels than typical rifles. For example, Ruger’s AR-556 pistol models have barrels between 9.5 and 10.5 inches, or about half-a-foot shorter than its rifle cousin. A shorter barrel will reduce some muzzle velocity.
The lack of a stock is another factor that lets AR-15-style pistols skirt the definition of a rifle. They are sold either with nothing attached or with a stabilizing brace that helps the operator secure the weapon to the forearm for one-handed firing, like a typical pistol.
However, the brace can also be used to shoulder the rifle like a regular stock, as shown in videos, making the pistol function essentially no different from a rifle.
The platform has been used in other mass shootings. A gunman in Dayton, Ohio, killed nine people in 2019 with an AR-15-style pistol.
Why do stocks and barrels matter?
Shorter barrels are favored in the military, law enforcement and elsewhere because they can easily fit into vehicles, lessen the chance of snagging on doorways and generally make a weapon more compact, said Doug Parisi, a former police captain. Some people use AR-15-style pistols as a “truck gun,” or a compact weapon to keep in a vehicle.
That compact size, especially of a rifle-type pistol, makes the weapon more easily concealed in a coat or a bag. And a barrel with six inches less physical space makes it harder for someone to grab or knock away when it is raised, compared with a typical rifle.
What is a rifle-style pistol?
The shooter in Boulder purchased a relatively
new type of gun that is legally classified as a
pistol but functions more like an AR-15-style rifle.
Rifle
Barrel length
About 16 inches
Traditional stock
Overall length
32 to 36 inches
About 6 to 8 lbs.
Weight
Muzzle
velocity
About 3,200 feet per second
Rifle-style pistol
About 10 inches
An optional brace can hold the gun to the
forearm or can be rested against the
shoulder like a stock.
25 to 29 inches
About 5 to 7 lbs.
Weight
Muzzle
velocity
About 2,500 feet per second*
(compared with 1,200 fps for a
typical 9 mm handgun)
* 10.5-inch barrel
Sources: Various manufacturers' websites; average
velocities from American Rifleman (rifle-style pistol),
Federation of American Scientists (9mm handgun)
and Bushmaster (rifle)
BONNIE BERKOWITZ AND ADRIÁN BLANCO/THE WASHINGTON POST
If a shooter had designs of entering and moving around a store, a compact weapon would be appealing, said Parisi, now a director of training at SafeDefend, which teaches safety courses, including active-shooter scenarios. However, witnesses told police the suspect shot people outside, making it less clear whether he intended to conceal it, Parisi said.
The National Firearms Act regulates rifles with barrels shorter than 16 inches more strictly than regular rifles because their potential concealment is a danger, according to a former special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The 1934 law was aimed at gangland criminals who concealed short-barrel weapons, like the Thompson submachine gun and sawed-off shotguns.
Buying a short-barrel rifle requires a lengthy background check that could take months and includes fingerprints, a photo, purchase from a specialized dealer and a $200 tax, according to the former agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
But AR-15-style pistols aren’t defined as short-barrel rifles.
“It’s treated just like a Glock,” the former agent said. “But it’s not just a Glock.”
Why do these exist?
There are some legitimate applications, Parisi said, including for security professionals who protect dignitaries or public figures and need something powerful but easily concealed and carried around. The weapons are popular in Latin America for that reason, he said.
The legal status of the pistol also helps eliminate hurdles when security guards in the United States travel across state lines that may regulate rifles differently, he said.
But for typical consumers, it’s a question of novelty of a different kind of gun and familiarity with the platform of the AR-15, which is the most popular gun in the country. Other gun enthusiasts may be drawn to AR-15-style pistols as an act of defiance of the federal regulations it is designed to challenge.
“It shows you can bend the rules regardless of how many rules are out there,” Parisi said.
What are regulators and officials doing about AR-15-style pistols?
The ATF in December sought to examine how braces, like the kind used with the Ruger, affect the classification of a firearm. The agency abandoned its proposal days later after a public outcry from gun advocates.
The city of Boulder passed an ordinance banning assault-style weapons in 2018, but it was overturned in court 10 days before the killings.
The language included restrictions for AR-15-style pistols, but is unclear whether the suspect purchased it in the city or elsewhere.
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So responsible....
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Why is your wife taking a handgun and throwing it in a trashcan? Why has it mysteriously disappeared from where you put it?dankind said:0 -
Across the street from a high school, no less.tempo_n_groove said:
Why is your wife taking a handgun and throwing it in a trashcan? Why has it mysteriously disappeared from where you put it?dankind said:
Drugs are bad.
Wilmington is surrounded by rivers and creeks. That's where you clandestinely dispose of unwanted firearms.
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Just another “responsible” gun owner in case a bad guy with a gun happens to show up, right? Yea, right. I’m sure the NRA will be rushing to defend him and his rights. Soon. Get your donations in now right quick as President Biden’s coming to take all your guns away. Any. Day. Now.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/us/atlanta-guns-supermarket-witness/index.html
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A makeshift fence stands around the parking lot outside a King Soopers grocery store where a mass shooting took place a day earlier in Boulder, Colorado
(AP)The National Rifle Association (NRA) bragged about the blocking of a ban on AR-15 rifles in Boulder a week before a gunman reportedly used one in a mass shooting to kill ten people on Monday.
The Denver Post reported last week that a judge blocked Boulder from enforcing its two-year-old ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines in the city.
In response to the ruling, the NRA posted on its official Twitter account on 18 March saying: “A Colorado judge gave law-abiding gun owners something to celebrate.”
They bragged that in the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) supported case, the judge “stuck down” the ban.
“He ruled that the city of Boulder’s ban on commonly-owned rifles (AR-15s) and 10+ round mags was preempted by state law and STRUCK THEM DOWN,” they wrote.
Read more:
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Everything we know so far about the Colorado supermarket attack
Ted Cruz and other GOP senators mount fiery defence of gun ownership
On Monday afternoon, a gunman opened fire at a supermarket in the area afternoon, killing at least 10 people.
According to a report by CNN, one senior law enforcement source told the broadcaster that the weapon used in the shooting was an AR-15-style rifle.
Eyewitnesses told the police that a gunman, clad in black and holding a rifle, entered the King Soopers grocery store in Boulder around 3 pm on Monday and opened fire.
The suspect has been taken into custody but police told reporters that they are yet to find a motive.
The Post reported that city spokesperson Shannon Aulabaugh said Boulder city attorneys would meet following the judge’s ruling on the guns to decide whether they would appeal the decision.
The Boulder Police Department said they would not enforce the ordinance unless there is a later court ruling undoing County District Court Judge Andrew Hartman’s decision, the newspaper reported.
“These provisions are invalid, and enforcement of them is enjoined,” Mr Hartman wrote in his ruling, according to The Post.
“The Court has determined that only Colorado state (or federal) law can prohibit the possession, sale and transfer of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.”
Following the mass shooting in Boulder, the NRA quickly defended gun ownership in another post on its Twitter account.
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed,” they wrote in reference to the second amendment.
Colorado has a long history of mass shootings, including the horrific Columbine High School shooting in 1999.
In 2012 a mass shooting occurred inside a movie theatre in Aurora during a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises.
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As a former Boulder resident who shopped at that store 500 times or more i can easily saymickeyrat said:MoreA makeshift fence stands around the parking lot outside a King Soopers grocery store where a mass shooting took place a day earlier in Boulder, Colorado
(AP)The National Rifle Association (NRA) bragged about the blocking of a ban on AR-15 rifles in Boulder a week before a gunman reportedly used one in a mass shooting to kill ten people on Monday.
The Denver Post reported last week that a judge blocked Boulder from enforcing its two-year-old ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines in the city.
In response to the ruling, the NRA posted on its official Twitter account on 18 March saying: “A Colorado judge gave law-abiding gun owners something to celebrate.”
They bragged that in the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) supported case, the judge “stuck down” the ban.
“He ruled that the city of Boulder’s ban on commonly-owned rifles (AR-15s) and 10+ round mags was preempted by state law and STRUCK THEM DOWN,” they wrote.
Read more:
Boulder gunman, Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, described as ‘anti-social’ by brother
Everything we know so far about the Colorado supermarket attack
Ted Cruz and other GOP senators mount fiery defence of gun ownership
On Monday afternoon, a gunman opened fire at a supermarket in the area afternoon, killing at least 10 people.
According to a report by CNN, one senior law enforcement source told the broadcaster that the weapon used in the shooting was an AR-15-style rifle.
Eyewitnesses told the police that a gunman, clad in black and holding a rifle, entered the King Soopers grocery store in Boulder around 3 pm on Monday and opened fire.
The suspect has been taken into custody but police told reporters that they are yet to find a motive.
The Post reported that city spokesperson Shannon Aulabaugh said Boulder city attorneys would meet following the judge’s ruling on the guns to decide whether they would appeal the decision.
The Boulder Police Department said they would not enforce the ordinance unless there is a later court ruling undoing County District Court Judge Andrew Hartman’s decision, the newspaper reported.
“These provisions are invalid, and enforcement of them is enjoined,” Mr Hartman wrote in his ruling, according to The Post.
“The Court has determined that only Colorado state (or federal) law can prohibit the possession, sale and transfer of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.”
Following the mass shooting in Boulder, the NRA quickly defended gun ownership in another post on its Twitter account.
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed,” they wrote in reference to the second amendment.
Colorado has a long history of mass shootings, including the horrific Columbine High School shooting in 1999.
In 2012 a mass shooting occurred inside a movie theatre in Aurora during a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises.
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Disarm the people. No thanks.Bentleyspop said:0 -
Disarm the people? So what are the people needing to be armed against in your opinion?tempo_n_groove said:
Disarm the people. No thanks.Bentleyspop said:Scio me nihil scire
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People need guns to protect themselves from other people with guns.static111 said:
Disarm the people? So what are the people needing to be armed against in your opinion?tempo_n_groove said:
Disarm the people. No thanks.Bentleyspop said:
It's all a big circle jerk with gun manufacturers & the politicians they've paid off laughing their way to the bank.0
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