America's Gun Violence

mace1229

Meltdown99 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Start the anti-Muslim posts....

https://twitter.com/DillonMThomas/status/1374374290552877064?s=19

I missed it.  Where does it say he’s a Muslim???  Are you basing that off his name???  Or are you just stereotyping???

I may be wrong, but I think he wasn't making that leap, but pointing out that others likely will be based off his name. Which is probably accurate. 

Merkin Baller

Merkin Baller

The fact of the matter is, the problem of mass shootings in America, like the immigration crisis, isn't one that republicans care to solve. 

Bentleyspop

Merkin Baller said:

The fact of the matter is, the problem of mass shootings in America, like the immigration crisis, isn't one that republicans care to solve. 

No they don't 
As long as they can play on people's fears and get votes and campaign dollars they have no interest in even attempting to solve those issues.

josevolution

Bentleyspop said:

Update on republican plans to deal with mass shootings....

1. Thoughts and prayers
2. Voice support for nra and get more financial support from nra.
3. Increase access to assault weapons
4. Blame liberal socialist dems
5. Repeat 1, 2, and 4
6.. Denounce latest shooter as Muslim terrorist
7. Repeat 1,2, and 4

Sounds like a good strategy by the GOP it’s been working like a charm for decades

josevolution

https://twitter.com/amy_siskind/status/1374446621576945676?s=21
Man lots of white men having really bad days, we need to cut them a brake no?

josevolution

So the theory that a good guy with a gun would of stopped this gun man is out the window! The 1st trained good guy with a gun at the scene was a cop and ended up dead! 

Bentleyspop

Sad but true....

https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1374189790623629313?s=19

ymalkiel

Y’know, as a country, I think we need to have a national reckoning on gun violence. Either finally pass common-sense gun safety regulations, or stop reporting every mass shooting. Either change things, or accept that these deaths are part of the culture and society we have, like car accidents. We don’t report every fatal car accident the way we feverishly report on mass shootings. 

Of course, nobody complains when we try to make cars and driving safer either. People lose their minds over the idea of driverless cars when they’ve actually proven much safer than actual human drivers. That’s because even one fatality makes people say, “See. Driverless cars aren’t safe.” 

I think that the media should start showing the carnage that comes with gun violence. Show pictures of the dead. The blood, the guts, the gore. All of it. If they’d shown what happened at Newtown, Americans would’ve done everything in their power to have their representatives enact gun safety regulations.

I've never even understood how the Second Amendment can be used as an argument against any type of gun laws. It's right there in the language. It begins, "A WELL REGULATED militia...." It doesn't say, "You want a gun, you get a gun."

End rant.

Kat

I would like to see the responsible gun owners come up with suggestions and solutions to detect and prevent the people with violent problems among their number so the rest of us don't need to do it. They must prefer to play victim, while making everyone else victims, instead of being pro-active about this HUGE problem we have in our country. It's time to step up. I'm done giving up my rights to being safe so violent individuals can own a bunch of guns, or any weapons to keep killing whenever they feel like it.

Bentleyspop

Merkin Baller

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/03/23/guard-troops-ambushed-texas-held-gunpoint-while-transporting-covid-19-vaccines.html

brianlux

ymalkiel said:

Y’know, as a country, I think we need to have a national reckoning on gun violence. Either finally pass common-sense gun safety regulations, or stop reporting every mass shooting. Either change things, or accept that these deaths are part of the culture and society we have, like car accidents. We don’t report every fatal car accident the way we feverishly report on mass shootings. 

Of course, nobody complains when we try to make cars and driving safer either. People lose their minds over the idea of driverless cars when they’ve actually proven much safer than actual human drivers. That’s because even one fatality makes people say, “See. Driverless cars aren’t safe.” 

I think that the media should start showing the carnage that comes with gun violence. Show pictures of the dead. The blood, the guts, the gore. All of it. If they’d shown what happened at Newtown, Americans would’ve done everything in their power to have their representatives enact gun safety regulations.

I've never even understood how the Second Amendment can be used as an argument against any type of gun laws. It's right there in the language. It begins, "A WELL REGULATED militia...." It doesn't say, "You want a gun, you get a gun."

End rant.

Well said, Y.  The problem is, America is a bloodthirsty nation.  We know this by the things that so many Americans drool over- violent movies, violent video games, the popularity of true-crime books (the more graphic, the more likely they are to sell), the hope and anticipation of seeing a fatal crash at automobile races, football, love of war, road rage, random violence, kids who bully other kids, and on and on.  I'm not so sure showing pictures of the dead would lead to the reasonable changes many of us would like to see.  I wish I had an answer.  I sometimes think there may not be one- that our violence may be an aspect of socio-biology that has become written into our DNA.  We are so clever and have these large brains and yet we are absurd.  It's sad and tragic.

Annafalk

He stood on one of the victims as he continued to shoot. 

Halifax2TheMax

Second graders. Nothing can be done. Theater of the absurd.

josevolution

Hate breeds hate, the shooter was Syrian decent now he has killed 10 people including a policeman who has young children these kids will grow up hating Muslims! These cycles are insane.

JeBurkhardt

josevolution said:

So the theory that a good guy with a gun would of stopped this gun man is out the window! The 1st trained good guy with a gun at the scene was a cop and ended up dead! 

That is the last thing we need. Just owning a gun, or having some training doesn't equip someone to respond to a shooting event. I hear people suggest that scenario and it is stupid and dangerous.

tempo_n_groove

Kat said:

I would like to see the responsible gun owners come up with suggestions and solutions to detect and prevent the people with violent problems among their number so the rest of us don't need to do it. They must prefer to play victim, while making everyone else victims, instead of being pro-active about this HUGE problem we have in our country. It's time to step up. I'm done giving up my rights to being safe so violent individuals can own a bunch of guns, or any weapons to keep killing whenever they feel like it.

I have offered certain suggestions that I would feel comfortable with then it's not enough.  You can't have common sense gun laws for people that dislike guns, it's impossible.

You make it sound like this is the wild west.

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

Hate breeds hate, the shooter was Syrian decent now he has killed 10 people including a policeman who has young children these kids will grow up hating Muslims! These cycles are insane.

I would hope that people would teach them differently.

In the Middle East the clans of people ending up hating anyone who has wronged their families/clan.  Americans killed their cousin in battle, guess who the clan hates?

So yes it's a vicious cycle and I would hope that people would act kinder to each other and this cycle wouldn't happen.

jerparker20

ymalkiel said:

I think that the media should start showing the carnage that comes with gun violence. Show pictures of the dead. The blood, the guts, the gore. All of it. If they’d shown what happened at Newtown, Americans would’ve done everything in their power to have their representatives enact gun safety regulations.

This. 

I grew up with guns. I’ve shot and killed numerous animals. I know what the aftermath of a gunshot looks like. The problem is most people don’t. This includes the multitudes of the hardcore 2A folks who only know what the damage to a paper silhouette at a gun range looks like. Force people to see the reality of their “freedom” and “rights.”

I’m all for the ownership of firearms for hunting, sporting, and home defense. Want a pump shotgun, a bolt/lever action rifle, a revolver, fine. Perfect firearms for hunting, home defense. They’ll get the job done. I own a shotgun and hunting rifle. But, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to own an AR15, high capacity magazines, and any of these other items 2A backers get excited about. There are no lines that will change my mind. If you need more than three shots to kill an animal, maybe you shouldn’t be hunting. 

As for what can be done, here’s a start:
- Background checks for all firearm purchases
- enact a national “red flag” law
- eliminate all conceal and carry/open carry laws
- mandatory firearm training prior to purchase
- ban gun shows
-mandatory licensing and registration of all firearms
- mandatory insurance coverage for all firearm owners
- private gun sales will require transfer paperwork/registration
- ban the sale, manufacturing and importing of all semi-automatic firearms, magazines with a capacity over 3 rounds, and all full-metal jacket rounds
- offer a two year buyback period to all owners of the above mentioned items to surrender said items and be compensated at market value. Possession of said items after that period becomes a felony punishable by 5-10 years.
- increase the penalties for illegal ownership, and illegal sale and transfer of firearms to 10-20 years
- lifetime ban for anyone found guilty on firearm charges. Future violations for those would be a mandatory 10 years.