America's Gun Violence
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Drop the first two and the other three are out right quick. If not, best be focused and make your shots count or give yourself time to reload. You don’t buy a skill saw and become a licensed carpenter. If you want that, you have to practice and work for it. No different with a gun. Or is it? Does buying and possessing a firearm automatically make you an efficient protector of all that’s near and dear? Of course not, you have a responsibility to be proficient with your tool. But you know, “responsibility,” it’s inconvenient.tbergs said:
What if 5 people break in to your home? Or 4 people rob you on the street? You may have to be pretty accurate for 6 bullets to be enough.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should be able to defend yourself successfully with 6 rounds.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?
I'm not arguing against your point, just countering with boogeyman possibilities. Personally, I'd just give them my stuff because stuff isn't worth it.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I keep two mags with 12 rounds each (glock) in my lockbox at home. However, for work, where I sometimes have to carry-concealed, department policy allows for only 6 rounds per mag.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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I go with three mags with ten rounds apiece for each of my go to firearms.Ledbetterman10 said:I keep two mags with 12 rounds each (glock) in my lockbox at home. However, for work, where I sometimes have to carry-concealed, department policy allows for only 6 rounds per mag.
Why do they only allow six round mags?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
No clue. I know when we do our yearly qualification with the state gun commission, all the drills in the test have six round in each mag. So maybe it has something to do with that. I’m a probation officer by the way if you’re curious as to why I have to carry at work.mcgruff10 said:
I go with three mags with ten rounds apiece for each of my go to firearms.Ledbetterman10 said:I keep two mags with 12 rounds each (glock) in my lockbox at home. However, for work, where I sometimes have to carry-concealed, department policy allows for only 6 rounds per mag.
Why do they only allow six round mags?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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I'm going to guess based on this answer you have had zero to very little time with firearms.Halifax2TheMax said:
Drop the first two and the other three are out right quick. If not, best be focused and make your shots count or give yourself time to reload. You don’t buy a skill saw and become a licensed carpenter. If you want that, you have to practice and work for it. No different with a gun. Or is it? Does buying and possessing a firearm automatically make you an efficient protector of all that’s near and dear? Of course not, you have a responsibility to be proficient with your tool. But you know, “responsibility,” it’s inconvenient.tbergs said:
What if 5 people break in to your home? Or 4 people rob you on the street? You may have to be pretty accurate for 6 bullets to be enough.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should be able to defend yourself successfully with 6 rounds.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?
I'm not arguing against your point, just countering with boogeyman possibilities. Personally, I'd just give them my stuff because stuff isn't worth it.
When in a class, you are taught to put multiple rounds in a target. Different size target gets a different result as does the caliber you are using. Sometimes it takes more than one round to put someone down, it's not like the movies.
So if everyone w a gun practices can you leave us alone?0 -
How many rounds? What’s the average? How many did the 90 year old put into the maintenance worker in Vegas? My guess is you don’t know but your scared.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm going to guess based on this answer you have had zero to very little time with firearms.Halifax2TheMax said:
Drop the first two and the other three are out right quick. If not, best be focused and make your shots count or give yourself time to reload. You don’t buy a skill saw and become a licensed carpenter. If you want that, you have to practice and work for it. No different with a gun. Or is it? Does buying and possessing a firearm automatically make you an efficient protector of all that’s near and dear? Of course not, you have a responsibility to be proficient with your tool. But you know, “responsibility,” it’s inconvenient.tbergs said:
What if 5 people break in to your home? Or 4 people rob you on the street? You may have to be pretty accurate for 6 bullets to be enough.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should be able to defend yourself successfully with 6 rounds.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?
I'm not arguing against your point, just countering with boogeyman possibilities. Personally, I'd just give them my stuff because stuff isn't worth it.
When in a class, you are taught to put multiple rounds in a target. Different size target gets a different result as does the caliber you are using. Sometimes it takes more than one round to put someone down, it's not like the movies.
So if everyone w a gun practices can you leave us alone?
I’ll leave you alone when you’re “responsible.” Class practice does not equate to proficiency. What does the military require, bring well regulated and all?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
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We should bring halifax to the range! I'll teach him rifles, you get to teach him all about handguns.tempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
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Correct. Since you apparently have, how many rounds do you need? And at least 10 states say I don’t need any range time to own a firearm. Fancy that. So if I change my mind and decide I can’t possibly continue to exist without a firearm, I can get a gun and have a 30 round clip because the first 29 shots won’t count. Correct?tempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Unfortunately, it's actually 26 states...including (somewhat surprisingly to me) my state of Pennsylvania. But this article is three years old so it might be different now.Halifax2TheMax said:
Correct. Since you apparently have, how many rounds do you need? And at least 10 states say I don’t need any range time to own a firearm. Fancy that. So if I change my mind and decide I can’t possibly continue to exist without a firearm, I can get a gun and have a 30 round clip because the first 29 shots won’t count. Correct?tempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?
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2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Halifax2TheMax said:
Correct. Since you apparently have, how many rounds do you need? And at least 10 states say I don’t need any range time to own a firearm. Fancy that. So if I change my mind and decide I can’t possibly continue to exist without a firearm, I can get a gun and have a 30 round clip because the first 29 shots won’t count. Correct?tempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?
I know I'm jumping in the middle of this discussion. But do you mean how many rounds do you need total, or how many do you need in a magazine?
I don't agree with the ammo restrictions in California. You can easily go through a few hundreds rounds in an hour. a 10-round magazine can take only 1-2 minutes even when you take time with each shot. going through a box of 50 really doesnt last long. And a bigger problem is people are getting priced out of buying ammo in places like California. They have limits and background checks every single time that are pointless. Literally only designed to prevent you from buying ammo rather than real gun control. So a young adult purchasing his or her first firearm may have a difficult time affording ammo that would make him be able to practice.
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I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
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He actually might, because I was similar. I had no time for guns. Thought they were dangerous toys for hillbillies and whatnot. Then, when I got a job that required I be firearm-trained, I reluctantly accepted that I had to learn to use a gun. And I have to say, I'm happy I'm proficient in firearms now. Going to the range can be fun, and in the event of something terrible happening (home invasion, etc.), I'll be prepared.mcgruff10 said:
I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?
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Thanks for answering. It helps me understand more of where you are coming from now.Halifax2TheMax said:
Correct. Since you apparently have, how many rounds do you need? And at least 10 states say I don’t need any range time to own a firearm. Fancy that. So if I change my mind and decide I can’t possibly continue to exist without a firearm, I can get a gun and have a 30 round clip because the first 29 shots won’t count. Correct?tempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?
If I have a handgun it can't hold 29 rounds, law enforcement or class 3 only. There is one handgun I know of that holds 20 but I've yet to see anyone with it.
I'm not sure how many rounds I'd need, the situation(s) haven't happened. Not the answer you are looking for I know.0 -
I own a gun...been to a range....been to plenty of drunk shooting festsmcgruff10 said:
I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
I've never drank once and shot a firearm. That is two things to me that do not mix.Gern Blansten said:
I own a gun...been to a range....been to plenty of drunk shooting festsmcgruff10 said:
I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
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I think he's kidding. You can't advocate for gun regulations/safety, and go to "plenty of drunk shooting fests."tempo_n_groove said:
I've never drank once and shot a firearm. That is two things to me that do not mix.Gern Blansten said:
I own a gun...been to a range....been to plenty of drunk shooting festsmcgruff10 said:
I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?
2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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100% agree. Never had a sip of alcohol and fired a weapon.tempo_n_groove said:
I've never drank once and shot a firearm. That is two things to me that do not mix.Gern Blansten said:
I own a gun...been to a range....been to plenty of drunk shooting festsmcgruff10 said:
I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
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Kidding or baiting?Ledbetterman10 said:
I think he's kidding. You can't advocate for gun regulations/safety, and go to "plenty of drunk shooting fests."tempo_n_groove said:
I've never drank once and shot a firearm. That is two things to me that do not mix.Gern Blansten said:
I own a gun...been to a range....been to plenty of drunk shooting festsmcgruff10 said:
I believe you would have a different perspective if you did in fact go to a range.Gern Blansten said:
Bow to the gun expert everyone...if only we all went to "the range" we would have a much different understandingtempo_n_groove said:Again, I'm going to guess that you have had little to zero range time, handling a firearm.
Correct?
Were u serious @Ge@"Gern Blansten"0
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