America's Gun Violence

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    There is something very wrong in this country when places of worship (churches mosques, synagogues,  etc) feel the need to have armed security personnel due to the threat of people, mentally unstable and otherwise, coming in and shooting/killing innocent worshipers. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    Bentleyspop said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    There is something very wrong in this country when places of worship (churches mosques, synagogues,  etc) feel the need to have armed security personnel due to the threat of people, mentally unstable and otherwise, coming in and shooting/killing innocent worshipers. 
    The normalization of more guns equals safety is underway and the NRA loves it so does this a President this country wants to reverse its civil compass and go back to the good ole days ..

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    lol don’t worry give time these thing can take a bit to catch on , pretty soon everyone’s got one! 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    edited January 2020
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
    I really wouldn’t consider that the Wild West.  That happens over a weekend in Chicago. 

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
    I really wouldn’t consider that the Wild West.  
    Weird that three mass shootings in one month doesn’t cross your threshold. 
     
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
    I really wouldn’t consider that the Wild West.  
    Normalization? 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    edited January 2020
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
    I really wouldn’t consider that the Wild West.  
    Normalization? 
    I don’t think so. I m not sure.  I just don’t picture the Wild West like that.  I am thankful that the people in the church were allowed to carry.  

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
    I really wouldn’t consider that the Wild West.  
    Normalization? 
    I don’t think so. I m not sure.  I just don’t picture the Wild West like that.  

    I hope we never get to what you are picturing in your mind ...

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
    Has Texas become the wild west as everyone suggested?
    That was the third mass shooting in Texas just in December. 
     
    I really wouldn’t consider that the Wild West.  
    Normalization? 
    I don’t think so. I m not sure.  I just don’t picture the Wild West like that.  

    I hope we never get to what you are picturing in your mind ...

    Me either.  I think it is working a hell of a lot better than people admit.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:

    little bit of background on this guy contained in this article.

    seems there were only felony arrests, no convictions. most were pled down to misdemeanors.....

     
      

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  • mcgruff10
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    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    little bit of background on this guy contained in this article.

    seems there were only felony arrests, no convictions. most were pled down to misdemeanors.....

     
      

    Interesting.  I thought I read that he was convicted of a felony in New Jersey and could not own a firearm.  (something like he had a 12 gauge shotgun in his truck while he was out taking photos.)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    little bit of background on this guy contained in this article.

    seems there were only felony arrests, no convictions. most were pled down to misdemeanors.....

     
      

    Interesting.  I thought I read that he was convicted of a felony in New Jersey and could not own a firearm.  (something like he had a 12 gauge shotgun in his truck while he was out taking photos.)
    pled to misdemeanor criminal trespass....
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    little bit of background on this guy contained in this article.

    seems there were only felony arrests, no convictions. most were pled down to misdemeanors.....

     
      

    But “he acquired one anyway.” Because of a “responsible” gun owner.
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  • oftenreading
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    How surprising that misinformation was used to propel a pro-gun agenda. 

    The good guy with a gun idea is a comforting fairy tale for gun fans, but like most areas of life, putting your faith in fairy tales prevents any progress toward solutions in the real world, where hard, cold data tells a different story. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    oftenreading said:
    How surprising that misinformation was used to propel a pro-gun agenda. 

    The good guy with a gun idea is a comforting fairy tale for gun fans, but like most areas of life, putting your faith in fairy tales prevents any progress toward solutions in the real world, where hard, cold data tells a different story. 
    But a good guy with a gun saved a hell of a lot of people in this particular case.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
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    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    How surprising that misinformation was used to propel a pro-gun agenda. 

    The good guy with a gun idea is a comforting fairy tale for gun fans, but like most areas of life, putting your faith in fairy tales prevents any progress toward solutions in the real world, where hard, cold data tells a different story. 
    But a good guy with a gun saved a hell of a lot of people in this particular case.  
    firearms instructor. fired once.

    being an instructor suggests a high degree of competence and proficiency.

    71 yrs old too, suggests a degree of patience in such a situation. who knows what his background is beyond this that likely contributed to his success at killing this guy .


    can we say your average citizen/owner/concealed carry permit holder would be as competent?
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  • mickeyrat
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    this fucking website.  

    more on the intructor toward the rnd of the article..


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